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Zed – The Editor for What's Next

50 点作者 9woc7 个月前

16 条评论

mega_dean7 个月前
Thorsten Ball streams development of Zed on Twitch sometimes, and it&#x27;s pretty entertaining to watch: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.twitch.tv&#x2F;thorstenball" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.twitch.tv&#x2F;thorstenball</a><p>(EDIT: if his name sounds vaguely familiar, it might be because he is the author of <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;interpreterbook.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;interpreterbook.com&#x2F;</a> and <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;compilerbook.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;compilerbook.com&#x2F;</a> )
James_K7 个月前
I&#x27;ve seen a million and one text editors, and almost all of them offer the feature of being &quot;fast &lt;rocket emoji&gt;&quot; or &quot;gpu driven&quot; or &quot;cleanly implemented&quot; (now &quot;AI integrated&quot;; LOL). Never features that users actually care about. Perhaps this is just my ego taking, but I think I would struggle to develop such an app. What is the point in programming if you aren&#x27;t presenting the user with anything new? I suppose the collaborative features in this are almost novel, but they seem misguided. It relies on other people using the same text editor as you, which is going to be quite difficult to organise.<p>How about a text editor which represents code as a syntax tree that is formatted as you type? Or one that has support for embedding multi-media content within source files? Or one with advanced program rewriting capabilities (in-lining functions, replacing struct members into getter methods, etc)? These things would all change the a user&#x27;s experience much more than replacing the CPU rendering with GPU rendering. A text editor is the window through which we interact with code. It is an immensely rich domain for experimentation, yet the best most come up with is &quot;what if there was a 10ms smaller latency on keyboard input?&quot;<p>I think the issue here is one of perspective. As programmers, we see the code. We tend to put more focus on the features that took us the longest to implement. But often, these are not visible or relevant to the user. We like to show off the 80% of the effort that gets 20% of the outcome rather than the 20% that yields 80%. I think there&#x27;s also a measurability bias at play. It&#x27;s easy to make the case that a faster thing is better than a slower thing, but harder to make the case for an interesting feature. One is measurable but the other is not.
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steve_adams_867 个月前
I’ve been trying to love Zed for months now and still run into constant snags. It’s frustrating to use with TypeScript. Support is very intermittent as basic features randomly break and come back during the same session. Want to jump to a declaration? Maybe it’ll work. Want information about this type? If you’re lucky. How about autocomplete for existing types, variables, and functions? This probably breaks most often.<p>I update the editor regularly, have tried heaps of suggested fixes and reset settings each time. It’s a mess.<p>It’s a beautiful, fast, powerful editor and I want to use it, but I’m pretty frustrated. I keep hoping an update will address the autocomplete at least, but as of last week it will still stop functioning while I’m working.
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dartos7 个月前
They pivoted pretty hard into AI, huh.<p>I remember when being multiplayer was their big selling point.
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vunderba7 个月前
Zed has been on my shortlist as a natively fast text editor to replace Sublime, but I have very little interest in all the AI integration. I&#x27;m also not a fan of the prominent &quot;sign in&quot; button at the top right that&#x27;s completely unhideable - it just serves to remind me that an off-line editor isn&#x27;t necessarily the goal.<p>These are pretty minor criticisms, and for the most part I really like using it. Additionally, the fact that it&#x27;s open source means that it&#x27;s just a fork away from ripping out the sign in button manually.
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levzettelin7 个月前
God, how often are people gonna post this editor here. I guess you can sell everything as long as it says &quot;AI&quot;.
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sashank_15097 个月前
I’ve never got its python LSP to work as well as Pylance in VSCode. Once you start using Pylance for large codebases, even if it is slow and sometimes crashes, you cannot go back to coding without it. Go to Definition, and automatic argument hints are too useful to code without
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entrox7 个月前
I very much applaud the effort in trying to push the boundaries, especially on the front of responsiveness and performance. We are typing on machines with mind-boggling resources and yet editors don&#x27;t feel snappier(tm) at all, so I appreciate optimizing on that dimension.<p>However, I can&#x27;t see myself moving away from Emacs. I&#x27;ve been using it for almost a quarter of a century and have seen many editors come and go in that timeframe: BBEdit, Textmate, Sublime Text, Atom and so on. The current hotness is VS Code, but I personally believe that will be abandoned at some point as well.<p>It would be great if some of the learnings of Zed can be backported to Emacs, however unlikely that is due to the amount of old cruft there.
xmstr7 个月前
&quot;Zed collects anonymous telemetry data to help us understand how people are using the app.&quot;<p>No thanks!
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syndicatedjelly7 个月前
I’ve been spending the weekend getting setup in NeoVim and have enjoyed the process so far. It’s definitely not for people who want a plug-and-play IDE, but if you want to see all the programming details that are involved in a text editor (and learn some Lua along the way), then I highly recommend it.<p>Fair warning, it is HIGHLY recommended you come in with a working knowledge of Vim first.
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GaggiX7 个月前
Zed allows you to use Claude 3.5 Sonnet for free unlimited under Zed AI, at least for now.
johneth7 个月前
I switched to Zed from Sublime a few months ago, and I really like it. Super snappy, doesn&#x27;t choke, and just pleasant to use.<p>I don&#x27;t make any use of the AI features though, and as a solo dev the collaborative aspect is also not useful to me.
rglover7 个月前
I love the snappiness of Zed, but the only reason I haven&#x27;t used it is because of confusion around getting LSP to work (specifically for JS&#x2F;Node).
joe_the_user7 个月前
I&#x27;d like an editor that uses an open LLM like Lama locally and runs on the Linux desktop. Is this it? Does that exist?
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affinepplan7 个月前
does remoting work with the REPL or notebooks yet?
unshavedyak7 个月前
I long for an editor like this to have very, very expansive support for all of the weird text editor choices. Ie the ability to <i>effectively, not literally</i> recreate Vim, Helix, etc in it. Sounds insane i know.. but i adore this editor and despite that, i just can&#x27;t give up Helix for &quot;vim bindings&quot;.<p>I don&#x27;t know if i&#x27;m ever going to get out of the terminal at this rate :s
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