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Most American farmers have second jobs to stay afloat

78 点作者 ilamont6 个月前

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onlyrealcuzzo6 个月前
How much of this is because of hobby farming and kids inheriting the family farm?<p>Going back a couple hundred years, ~80% of the population was a &quot;farmer&quot;. But by any standard, they had &quot;multiple jobs&quot;.<p>I.E., they were doing a lot more than just growing food to sell.<p>You probably had a sweet spot somewhere between the 20s and 60s where you didn&#x27;t yet have mega farms, but also &lt;20% of the population was a &quot;farmer&quot; - so you could actually make a living off that.<p>Now, most of those farms have been sold off to mega farms or handed off to kids that don&#x27;t really want to be a &quot;farmer&quot;.<p>With the mega farms came efficiency, and if you&#x27;re trying to be an inefficient small farmer, you&#x27;re going to have a bad time competing. Hence, the need for a second job.<p>Anyone under 30 trying to compete with a mega farm is like some solo developer trying to build the next Google.<p>It&#x27;s never going to happen.<p>Either you&#x27;re doing it as a &quot;hobby&quot;, or you REALLY want to farm.
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troymc6 个月前
That&#x27;s often how it goes. The market starts out with lots of small businesses, but over time it ends up up with a few giant companies. Economists call it industry consolidation. There are some interesting nuances at the beginning and the end of the &quot;consolidation curve&quot; [1].<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hbr.org&#x2F;2002&#x2F;12&#x2F;the-consolidation-curve" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hbr.org&#x2F;2002&#x2F;12&#x2F;the-consolidation-curve</a>
jfengel6 个月前
Old joke:<p>A farmer wins the lottery. When asked what he&#x27;s going to do, he replies, &quot;I&#x27;m going to keep farming. And when the money runs out I&#x27;ll find another way to keep farming.&quot;
afpx6 个月前
How many of these farmers are hobbyists, though? Or, use the farm land to offset their taxes (like they do a lot where I live)? Maybe farming is their second job, rather than the other way around?<p>If you go to the actual report, you&#x27;ll see that the &quot;very large scale farms&quot; have the smallest percent of acres while also providing the largest value. Maybe the small-scale farms are inefficiently managed and operated.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ers.usda.gov&#x2F;webdocs&#x2F;publications&#x2F;108074&#x2F;eib-263.pdf?v=8165.3" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ers.usda.gov&#x2F;webdocs&#x2F;publications&#x2F;108074&#x2F;eib-263...</a>
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abetusk6 个月前
I certainly am no expert but Dr. Sarah Taber talks about how many farms, especially small to mid sized, are effectively tax write offs and that the &quot;put upon&quot; farmer is a myth [0] [1].<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;open.spotify.com&#x2F;episode&#x2F;41G5sIcfrno0EXiYK8LUnh" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;open.spotify.com&#x2F;episode&#x2F;41G5sIcfrno0EXiYK8LUnh</a><p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20201102173736&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;SarahTaber_bww&#x2F;status&#x2F;1323297129830469638" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20201102173736&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.c...</a>
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throwaway_291816 个月前
This has been true for many, many decades:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;The_Farmer%27s_Wife_(1998_film)" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;The_Farmer%27s_Wife_(1998_film...</a>
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rr8086 个月前
Here in New Jersey our property taxes are crippling. However if you have a big 5+ acre yard and can sell $1k worth of produce you are &quot;farm&quot; and taxed at a much lower rate. You might need a second job to stay afloat...
dade_6 个月前
Farms are also an excellent source of losses tax for high income tax deductions that want a large plot of land in remote place.
sunflowerfly6 个月前
I live in rural America. The big farmers do not have second jobs. But there are tons of small hobby farms. And there are plenty of farms owned by wealthy people in cities for tax breaks or playgrounds (hunting, 4 wheeling, camping, etc). Production would likely go up if there were a lot fewer farmers.
pasttense016 个月前
There has been a big change in what farmers do. Traditional farmers both raised crops (such as corn and soybeans) and raised animals (such as hogs, beef cattle, chickens, dairy cows). This is a year around operation. Nowadays there is much greater specialization. If you just raise crops you are busy in the spring (planting) and in the fall (harvesting) and do some work in the summer (controlling weeds) and very little in the winter. So this leaves a lot of time for a part time job. Raising animals has become both specialized (one type of animal) and these being mostly very large, fulltime operations.
015a6 个月前
I think the title should read &quot;most family farmers have second jobs to stay afloat&quot;, as that appears to be the statistic the article asserts. This leaves out large-scale factory farming, obviously; the statement might still be true when large-scale factory farming is taken into account, but that&#x27;s not what the article seems to assert?<p>To me this is as inflammatory and concerning as a title which might read &quot;most woodworkers have second jobs to stay afloat&quot; or &quot;most cobblers have second jobs to stay afloat&quot;.
dangus6 个月前
The most saddening story of the article is the one about that mentions the subdivision. Our free-for-all development without any real regional planning is such a negative to this country. Sprawl killing land that’s good for farms, sprawl that really shouldn’t exist when there’s so much urban and suburban infill that should be done.
nightowl_games6 个月前
As someone who came from rural Canada, and who&#x27;s dad is a farmer, and whose father in law is a farmer, I don&#x27;t think this is true in Canada. That being said, your smart to do something in the winter time, trucking is an easy pickup for those cold months...
bdangubic6 个月前
you can replace “farmers” with most professions these days and this would still ring true
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jmward016 个月前
Farming is one of the most subsidized industries in the US. With the rampent belief that subsidies destroy other industries and are &#x27;socialist&#x27; maybe the experiment should be made to remove subsidies for mega farms (not small ones) to see if it could correct this problem.
cpursley6 个月前
This is really disappointing and something I&#x27;ve thought about for years. One of my first website ideas was a platform to help connect communities with the local farmers. I&#x27;ve sat on a domain for years that I thought was really fun (farmersstand.com).<p>I&#x27;ve finally gotten around to working on this as my Thanksgiving &quot;Bolt.new&quot; project - it&#x27;s all mocked data now but feedback on the direction this could go is much appreciated: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.FarmersStand.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.FarmersStand.com</a>
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luxuryballs6 个月前
Here I was thinking about buying a farm to live on as a second job that would also be a potential safety net if something major happens to the power grid or internet as I don’t see myself trading snippets of code with my neighbors for supplies…
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drewcoo6 个月前
Is farming their &quot;second job?&quot;
brink6 个月前
Protect the farmers.
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henvic6 个月前
Yeah. I know a beet farmer who struggled a lot with his farm to the point that he had to start selling paper at some point. Poor Dwight...
hombre_fatal6 个月前
&gt; Even if cherries don’t pay, Hallstedt is determined to keep his farmland from becoming yet another subdivision. But to keep the orchard, Hallstedt said he needs to be able to stay in business.<p>Please tell me that &quot;subdivision&quot; here doesn&#x27;t mean residential development.<p>Anyways, it&#x27;s probably a good thing that food is so cheap that you need to create it at large scale to make any money off it.<p>Food production exists to feed people, not prop up small contributors to the food supply because their goods have been made too cheap and affordable for everyone.
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jmyeet6 个月前
Nobody wants to address the real problem here, just like with homelessness where the biggest contributor to and solution for is housing affordability. Why? Because that goes against vested interests in raising house prices.<p>Marx created an analytical framework that perfectly describes what&#x27;s going on here. Specifically, we&#x27;re talking about the workers relationship to the means of production.<p>A family farm is an inherently socialist construct because the workers, being the family that works that farm, is typically the one who owns that farm. They own the means of production. Consumers love this too, generally. Farmers markets, local produce and so on.<p>So why don&#x27;t we have that? Because of capitalism. Giant agribusiness corporations are set up to make family farming impossible to force consolidation. It&#x27;s every aspect too. Seed subscriptions (essentially, GM crops), farm equipment maintenance (eg John Deere), even the lack of accessible healthcare.<p>I&#x27;m really not sure people think about the impact on farming of the US not having accessible and affordable healthcare. There are many negative effects. This is just one of them. But farmers will often work a second job just to get insurance.<p>Giant corporate farms? That&#x27;s capitalism. Family farms? That&#x27;s socialism.<p>Walmart? Capitalism. Local mom-and-pop stores? Socialism.<p>Comcast? Capitalism. EPB Internet in Chattanooga? Socialism.<p>That may confuse you. You may be tempted to object because we&#x27;ve been sold on this idea that small business, in particular, is capitalism. It is not. If you still want to argue with that, why? Again, Marx describes this perfectly through the workers relationship to the means of production, regardless of your position on capitalism or socialism.<p>Our entire economic system wants to coerce you into working for as little money as possible without you owning anything. That&#x27;s the end-state of capitalism.
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thunkingdeep6 个月前
Well, maybe most districts where the no1 employment sector is agriculture should stop voting Republican. &#x2F;shrug
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chimeracoder6 个月前
Like most articles on American farming, this article doesn&#x27;t actually specify what constitutes a farmer[0]. Oftentimes, &quot;farmer&quot; is used to refer strictly to the people who own arable land, <i>not</i> the people who actually work the land. In this context, the word &quot;farmer&quot; would be more akin to a farm landlord, in which case working a second job would not be surprising. Or to put it another way, for them, farming would be better described the second job - a source of passive income that supplements the income from the primary job.<p>The language used in this article and the accompanying USDA report implies (though does not explicitly state) that it using this common definition of &quot;farmer&quot; - that is, referring strictly to the person, family, or corporation that owns the land, but not to any other laborers who work the land.<p>This problem extends to most public discourse about farming and the politics thereof. Unfortunately, many folks have a very inaccurate picture of how agriculture works in this country, and the way it is discussed is a big component of that.<p>[0] The USDA is similarly inconsistent with this language in its own reports, which only exacerbates the problem.
hobobaggins6 个月前
And with the Estate Tax (the &#x27;death tax&#x27;), if you don&#x27;t have significant savings (most farmers do not), when you die, your kids will have to pay the tax on their inheritance.<p>And since it&#x27;s really hard to sell just part of an estate (and especially a farm), that usually means selling the whole thing, just to pay the taxes on the thing you left behind for them.<p>The estate tax should be repealed, not just at the federal level, but in the twelve states that also have an estate tax of their own, or we&#x27;ll lose the family farm, and the family farmers, forever.. killed by taxes.
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