TE
科技回声
首页24小时热榜最新最佳问答展示工作
GitHubTwitter
首页

科技回声

基于 Next.js 构建的科技新闻平台,提供全球科技新闻和讨论内容。

GitHubTwitter

首页

首页最新最佳问答展示工作

资源链接

HackerNews API原版 HackerNewsNext.js

© 2025 科技回声. 版权所有。

Torrent of Hate for Health Insurance Industry Follows CEO's Killing

116 点作者 jbrot6 个月前

10 条评论

cs7026 个月前
Health "insurance" companies in the US are not actually, primarily insurers. For the most part, they are not in the business of insuring rare events. Maybe they were primarily in the insurance business at some point in the past, but today they are mainly in the business of entrenching themselves in the middle of all interactions between patients, doctors, and hospitals, and extracting rents from all of them. Health "insurance" companies have become extractive businesses that produce nothing of evident value except unpleasant paperwork, and extract an economic rent for it, to the detriment of everyone else. I call them "paperwork-shuffling processors."
评论 #42335059 未加载
评论 #42335064 未加载
评论 #42335114 未加载
评论 #42335163 未加载
gnabgib6 个月前
Discussions<p><i>Americans React to UnitedHealthcare CEO&#x27;s Murder: &#x27;My Empathy Is Out of Network&#x27;</i> (141 points, 12 hours ago, 329 comments) <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=42327272">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=42327272</a><p><i>Moderators Delete Reddit Thread as Doctors Torch Dead UnitedHealthcare CEO</i> (45 points, 3 hours ago, 22 comments) <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=42332347">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=42332347</a>
tptacek6 个月前
It&#x27;s mostly not rational. For instance, much of the conversation over the last day has been about Anthem pushing back on anesthesiology pay on the East Coast. That&#x27;s people angry about their insurers working to make surgeries cost less by employing the literal guideline Medicare uses, and yet people online were overtly suggesting Anthem&#x27;s CEO be murdered over it. Incoherent.<p>This won&#x27;t win me any points in this particular forum, where this opinion (that I strongly hold) is unpopular, but I&#x27;m reminded of what someone else said about Net Neutrality: it&#x27;s a bunch of people suiting up and taking sides on behalf of one group of giant corporations against another group of giant corporations. That&#x27;s the &quot;health care debate&quot; in the US, where medical staff are paid 2-3x more than they are in other countries, and expensive procedures are prescribed and delivered at drastically higher rates. It&#x27;s my problem with &quot;Medicare For All&quot;, which more or less absolves providers from their role in choking people out with health care costs, despite the leading role they have in this situation.<p>At any rate: there&#x27;s no serious theory of change that begins with murdering health care industry people.
评论 #42334860 未加载
评论 #42335078 未加载
评论 #42334939 未加载
评论 #42336594 未加载
评论 #42334982 未加载
评论 #42334865 未加载
评论 #42336026 未加载
potato37328426 个月前
The hate was always there. It&#x27;s just now newsworthy.
评论 #42334944 未加载
评论 #42335306 未加载
评论 #42335461 未加载
tiernano6 个月前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;DiRbs" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;DiRbs</a>
ghusto6 个月前
Genuine question: What is so difficult about healthcare in the USA?<p>European countries solutions range from free to government subsidised (for those who can&#x27;t afford it). The free ones vary in quality, but systems where you pay unless you can&#x27;t work pretty well, and the quality is very high.<p>Why is this such an issue in the USA? Is it purely a &quot;powerful people with vested interests&quot; thing?
评论 #42341561 未加载
maybelsyrup6 个月前
&gt; But that did not stop social media commenters from <i>leaping to conclusions</i> and from showing a <i>blatant</i> <i>lack of sympathy</i> over the death of a man who was a <i>husband and father of two children</i>.<p>The journalists&#x27; tone and choice of words here, which I&#x27;ve italicized, isn&#x27;t helping the overall feeling many Americans have of &quot;the people running the show have active and unceasing contempt for us&quot;, which of course is what&#x27;s driving the &quot;torrent of hate for health insurance industry&quot; that this article sets out to document.<p>I&#x27;m sorry, but where do these writers get off wagging their fingers and tut-tutting people who&#x27;d prefer not to spend their neurons on sympathy for someone at the helm of an inhuman system? The point&#x27;s already been made, but plenty of monsters are husbands and fathers.
评论 #42335164 未加载
评论 #42334852 未加载
评论 #42336337 未加载
评论 #42334912 未加载
评论 #42334828 未加载
评论 #42334941 未加载
apsec1126 个月前
Political operative here. If you&#x27;re wondering why healthcare reform has been so hard to get and so piecemeal, even though most Americans want it, the big reasons are:<p>1) any reform has to get past the Senate, and the Senate gives a lot of extra weight to states with conservative electorates. In 2009, this meant the pivotal Senators were right-wing Blue Dogs, an independent (Lieberman), and a former Republican (Specter). In 2024, this means the pivotal Senator will be a conservative Republican, since Dems run fewer Blue Dogs, and liberals can&#x27;t win states like North Dakota and Louisiana.<p>2) people don&#x27;t only vote on healthcare; Democrats also support much less popular stances on other issues, especially immigration.<p>Lobbying etc. matters some, but is much less important than those two big ones.
评论 #42334874 未加载
评论 #42335038 未加载
jbrot6 个月前
At first glance, this looks pretty similar to the Bob Lee murder last year. I find it interesting and a little surprising how different the reaction and coverage has been
评论 #42334784 未加载
评论 #42334816 未加载
评论 #42334840 未加载
yongjik6 个月前
So, private insurance companies ripping off patients is such an injustice that we are arguing that a literal murder could be (somewhat) justified - in HN of all places, where &quot;it&#x27;s the evil billionaires&quot; was never a popular position - as if we are in total desperation and everything is on the table.<p>...when it is simply a consequence of America&#x27;s system and the solution (public health insurance) is implemented in every other places.<p>Have we all got drunk on libertarianism until we would rather see CEOs murdered on the street than admitting maybe, sometimes, government managing its own citizens&#x27; welfare is an acceptable solution?
评论 #42335828 未加载