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Evolving my ergonomic setup (or, my laptop with extra steps)

181 点作者 Liriel5 个月前

29 条评论

maeln5 个月前
This does look very cool. But my advise for anyone suffering from pain to their arms, hands, backs, and any other body parts that usually hurt for people working on computer all day: Do modest, but regular mobility and strength exercises. While having an ergonomic (and cool looking at that) setup is important, it wont save you from muscle atrophy. A physical therapist might help you find the right kind of exercises for you. This is often not obvious, because the muscle you need to reinforce / train are often not actually the one hurting. And you need to do it regularly. But if you stick to it, the payoff is much better than any setup I ever had.
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elric5 个月前
I imagine we&#x27;ll be seeing more personalized setups as time progresses. Custom keyboards have been pretty feasible and affordable for a good while now, with things like QMK and even custom PCB designers. It can still be a bit fiddly, so it&#x27;s mostly keyboard nutters such as myself who go down that rabbit hole.<p>Custom trackpads&#x2F;mice&#x2F;trackballs haven&#x27;t gained as much traction, they&#x27;re not quite as simple as keyboards, and maybe fewer people realise they could benefit from one. I think I might like an upright ergonomic mouse that&#x27;s shaped to my hand, but then I&#x27;m so glued to my keyboard that it hardly seems worth the effort.<p>As a child I always wanted a chair with a split keyboard built into the armrests. Probalby inspired by Palpatine&#x27;s fancy chair. Maybe I&#x27;ll make that investment one day ...
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akho5 个月前
Their arms and neck hurt from computer use, so they develop elaborate setups to be able to use computers more.<p>I just hope the ingenuity will run out before their body reaches an unrecoverable state.
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resource_waste5 个月前
I don&#x27;t think the solution is to move your body less.<p>Having multiple desks and desk heights and possibly multiple keyboards is probably what is needed. Not to mention stretching and strengthening.<p>I&#x27;d recommend OP go to physical therapy.
robomartin5 个月前
All of these so-called solutions are a waste of time and largely just adding a ridiculous amount of complexity to what is a very simple problem.<p>Context: I worked a number of years in the special effects (movies) world. I supported hundreds of graphics artists working in dark rooms 16 hours a day. Think movies like Independence Day, Star Wars, etc. Dozens of artists wore all kinds of wrist braces all day. They also had just-about every single crazy ergonomic keyboard you could possibly imagine, including various forms of split, slanted, cavity, whatever. And, of course, the fanciest adjustable chairs and tables. I remember a couple of the guys working on Independence Day having to have surgery on their wrists. Crazy. Just nuts.<p>Do you know who did not suffer from these injuries? Without fail, anyone who was actively involved in sports or physical training (going to the gym, lifting, swimming, etc.) AND took regular breaks.<p>In my own case, having seen just how bad things could get, once I started to feel soreness on my wrists I took matters into my own hands. I use the flattest possible keyboards and a thumb-operated trackball. I designed and made my own desk to guarantee proper arm and wrist ergonomics.<p>Laptops, for the most part, are evil. They force the wrist into a bad configuration. Not good for prolonged work if you care about your health.<p>Aside from that, take breaks and lift weights. Amazing things happen when you squat, deadlift, bench and shoulder press on a regular program (I recommend Starting Strength).<p>The vast majority of the crazy ergo setups out there are a waste of time. They do not address the root cause, which is treating your body like we are robots. We are not. We need moderation, rest and exercise. That&#x27;s the solution or, at the very least, the way to mitigate and prevent injury.
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prmoustache5 个月前
Moving that coffee machine out of the room will do much more for the OP&#x27;s body than any keyboard, screen or trackball setup change.
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jakupovic5 个月前
Biggest thing, or the only thing that worked, is using 2 keyboards. With this I get the correct width needed. Whenever I use the regular keyboards I have to scrunch my shoulders and this leads to back pain and arm&#x2F;hands pain. Highly recommend
LAC-Tech5 个月前
For those wondering about the tiny amount of keys, you definitely can get used to it.<p>I have a similar sized keyboard, and the trade off is basically - I move my hands around the keyboard much less, and in return I have to to press more keys. IE, to make the ( symbol I have to press 3 keys, and on a regular keyboard it&#x27;s 2 keys (shift + 9), but you have to move your hand up and right to a place in the keyboard I don&#x27;t even have. I&#x27;m basically on the home row all the time.<p>There&#x27;s also various timing based mechanisms to get around this (ie, hold a key and it does something different if you tap it), but I find it all a bit fiddly and just do basic chording. YMMV.
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ndsipa_pomu5 个月前
A Ploopy trackball - they&#x27;re the best although I do kind of want a wireless one as well.
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vladak5 个月前
This feels familiar. I lug my Lenovo laptop, the Logitech ergonomic mouse, aluminium laptop stand and external Keychron keyboard (thinking about buying the Q10 with Alice layout), mostly to have convenient setup on the go, not primarily for ergonomics. Carrying all this stuff plus the extra other things in the daily backpack is certainly not ergonomic, however I think about it as training for some long hikes.<p>I also use the LG DualUp display at home, like it very much. Similarly, my home setup has the rain design mStand next to it.<p>Now, if the espresso machine could be also carried with the computer setup..
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__mharrison__5 个月前
Always like to see what ergonomic tricks work for others. A few thoughts.<p>Corne doesn&#x27;t have mouse support? My Lily58 does. (I thought they were basically the same expect mine has number keys.)<p>Cool mouse. I have a CST mouse, which is similar and works for me.<p>I wonder if there is some way to make the wood monitor mount&#x2F;tray skimmer or more portable. The first search on Amazon for &quot;desktop laptop stand&quot; pulls up an Amazon basics stand that gives a little more confidence than the wood stand. Of course, it isn&#x27;t diy.
gibbitz5 个月前
I love that the desk in the shots is a coffee bar. Thinking of how customized my coffee setups are it is a clear analogy for ergonomics. Adapting an activity to one&#x27;s biology.
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coreyh144445 个月前
Bonus Framework Laptop spotting :)
tokai5 个月前
Balls ever worked for me. Makes my hands cramped. Bar or rollermouse (rollermice?) has worked wonders for me though. Keeps the elbows tucked in, and makes both hands able to share the work load.<p>That being said with that amount of effort in making an ergonomic workstation, perhaps the first move should have been a dock and a proper screen than can be positioned correctly.
xixixao5 个月前
All I need is a mac with the screen at the right height (at my eye level). So far the best setup I came up with is long car mount for my 12inch iPad. The iPad sits above my macbook screen. I use this on planes and at tables without monitors.
Cumpiler695 个月前
Same reason for me I only buy laptops who&#x27;s displays can open nearly 180 degrees (so no MacBooks): it allows for a wider choice of more ergonomic postures looking straight ahead instead of down on the desk.
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Tarrosion5 个月前
OP, you have a comment there about mouse support in the Keyboardio. I&#x27;ve been using a Keyboardio since 2019 and haven&#x27;t much tried the mouse support -- any advice? How did you set it up?
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JackMorgan5 个月前
I like the newest design! The hook and loop for the power adapter in particular really is a great idea for something that needs to be removed so frequently.
coopykins5 个月前
I use a similar setup with my desktop: Split keyboard with trackball in the middle. Been using it for 3 years now and I love it.
bjord5 个月前
it&#x27;s a cool setup, though I wonder if it might be more compact if one designed a new case for the framework (laptop), given that the built-in keyboard and trackpad will go unused<p>one complaint: I initially had no idea what a &quot;hook and loop fastener&quot; was, and even then I had to google it to confirm it was velcro
zharknado5 个月前
This is awesome. Thanks for sharing it!
shahzaibmushtaq5 个月前
A real-life example of <i>necessity is the mother of invention as well as innovation</i>.
amelius5 个月前
Perhaps someone could build and sell a portable computer that can do that.
glitchc5 个月前
Does TSA give you a hard time when they see that rig pop up on the X-ray?
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troismph5 个月前
The coffee machine makes the whole setup even more ergonomic.
jmercouris5 个月前
I don&#x27;t understand why one wouldn&#x27;t just limit their time using the computer. If using a computer is giving you pain, stop using it. You can do most of your programming in your mind anyways.
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n144q5 个月前
A reminder that you want to take a break every half an hour or so from your desk if possible, even with the best ergonomic setup in the world. People often start with a good posture and then slouch over time, and an ergonomic setup alone cannot fix it. Taking regular breaks also helps your eyesight.
k__5 个月前
Anyone tried coding with XR glasses?
progforlyfe5 个月前
that&#x27;s really fuckin cool!