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The Headlight Brightness Wars

165 点作者 throw0101b5 个月前

29 条评论

mackieem5 个月前
I live in Michigan and my time is spent between two vastly different affluence levels; the richer sides have excruciatingly bright headlights that blind me in my non-tinted Sonata, and the poorer sides are riddled with the droning of modified and&#x2F;or broken exhausts.<p>Used to like cars at one point but nowadays I find that my only (okay, only _daily_) grievances in life are noise from cars &amp; driving at night in rich areas, both of which have soured my views on cars.
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djoldman5 个月前
&gt; Chris Trechter, a lighting-focused engineer who used to work for Magna International, the largest automobile parts manufacturer in North America, told me the company would adhere to 108 in making headlights for clients like General Motors but that the rule is “archaic.” “It does not account for LEDs,” he said, “and there are giant loopholes that allow you to throw basically unlimited light as long as you meet all the other aspects of 108.”<p>There are multiple references to this idea that you can have a basically unlimited brightness headlamp because the way it&#x27;s tested is flawed. Anyone know how the testing process works?
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unethical_ban5 个月前
This is an abdication of duty, or else an unwillingness to admit flawed decision-making, at NHTSA.<p>Any time I am approached by a new vehicle going over a minor hill, I am blinded by their LEDs. Makers like BMW obviously market such blinding lights as power, awareness, etc. but it is a danger to everyone on the road.<p>If you&#x27;re in the middle of nowhere highway, hit the brights. Otherwise, these lights need regulated. I wonder if there is a resistance mod that could be put in to lower the brightness for someone who cared to.
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codethief5 个月前
Last year I did a little roadtrip along the West Coast and through parts of Nevada and one thing that boggled my European mind was that, at night, on ordinary roads cars coming from the other direction always had their high beams on and never switched to their low beams as we got closer to each other. Same thing when cars were behind me. Is switching to your low beams to avoid dazzling other drivers not a thing in the US?
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jmole5 个月前
How about taillight brightness?<p>I&#x27;m not sure if this has gotten better in recent years, but there are a bunch of high-end vehicles (looking at you AUDI) with extremely bright red LED taillights that are just painful to sit behind at a red light.
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jp1919195 个月前
The blame lies completely with the NHTSA.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.newsweek.com&#x2F;nhtsa-roadblocking-headlight-technology-that-could-save-lives-1811354" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.newsweek.com&#x2F;nhtsa-roadblocking-headlight-techno...</a>
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notatoad5 个月前
this is sort of tangentially related: if you&#x27;re feeling like <i>every</i> car on the road has overly bright headlights, get your eyes checked. i&#x27;ve been hearing people complain about bright headlights, and noticed myself feeling really sensitive to it lately.<p>turns out i have a slight astigmatism, and wearing glasses when driving at night makes other cars headlights infinitely more tolerable. there&#x27;s still the odd vehicle that has obnoxious headlights, but i went from most cars being intolerable to most cars being totally fine.
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joe_the_user5 个月前
I gotta say, the tone of this article offends me. They basically put things as &quot;these people are complete weirdos though they might have a tiny spec of a point, chuckle&quot;.<p>And &quot;war&quot;? You can see these a few voices in the wilderness with no leverage &#x27;cause this little society presents the average person with no way to do anything about the many &quot;little annoyances&quot; of this society presents even when they add up to something nightmarish or happen to strongly affect a minority.
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UniverseHacker5 个月前
I think they&#x27;ve always mistakenly focused on headlight brightness (using wattage as a proxy), but the focus should really be on beam shaping and optics quality.<p>Most cars sold in Europe have had much brighter lights than the same models sold in the USA since the 70s and 80s, yet by using better optics, they had a sharp clearly defined cutoff that virtually eliminates all oncoming light to other drivers, while lighting the road itself and the side of the road a lot more. Yet, these brighter and more courteous lights had been illegal in the USA.<p>I have a German SUV with extremely powerful HID headlights, and on top of that, it is lifted- pretty awful for other drivers right? No! Because it has good optics with a sharp cutoff, and steerable headlights with tilt sensors on the suspension, and always keeps the headlights pointed low enough to not blind oncoming drivers, even when going over a bump. On top of that, it steers the lights into turns, and away from oncoming drivers around bends.
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nunez5 个月前
I&#x27;m getting Gunnar computer glasses for night time driving. It&#x27;s designed for the same problem in a different form: ever-bright LED monitors.<p>And that&#x27;s the heart of the problem, really. LEDs are getting brighter everywhere. As thigs get brighter, our vision acclimates to the new brightness until it&#x27;s not bright enough, which drives demand for brighter things, which we acclimate to, etc. ad nauseum.<p>As for me, I&#x27;ve switched to eInk panels for reading on the Internet (which is most of what I do) and use a red color filter at night or in dark spaces. I want to save my eyes for as long as possible!
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UncleOxidant5 个月前
My solution is to minimize driving at night. Harder to do in the winter, but still doable especially if you work from home.
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SoftTalker5 个月前
California basically sets the standards that all automakers follow for cars sold in the USA. If they can&#x27;t sell a car in California that basically makes it impossible for them to make money.<p>California is so fond of regulating everything I hope they take this on. But whether it&#x27;s California, or the Feds&#x2F;DOT, someone needs to act. Headlight brightness is out of control.
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arpinum5 个月前
Link from the article demonstrates the issue: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=MkwjMV2of_8&amp;t=697s" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=MkwjMV2of_8&amp;t=697s</a> .<p>Auto companies are violating the spirit of the regs while being technically compliant.
teslabox5 个月前
The shift to unsafe high-blue lights is simply a matter of forgetting what was figured out. In the 20th century the lighting companies (GE, etc) had all the money in the world, and spent a lot on R&amp;D. They figured out how to get the most efficient lights possible for their customers. The scientists figured out exactly how blue light causes inflammation in our eyes. There are good reasons why cities used orange High Pressure Sodium [HPS] Bulbs for street lights: HPS is very energy efficient (as good as most LEDs), and they emit light that is almost blue-free.<p>Then LEDs were invented by companies that didn&#x27;t have that old R&amp;D. The automotive industry gradually switched to LEDs for the advantage of not needing to replace bulbs (but lights that fail are now &gt;$1000 to replace instead of $5)<p>Instead of putting safe low-blue LEDs on their cars (~2400K), auto manufacturers are using 4000K to 5000K LEDs. These have too much blue light.<p>To understand modern lighting, the term &quot;spectral power distribution&quot; is quite helpful: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Spectral_power_distribution" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Spectral_power_distribution</a><p>Relative Spectral Power Distribution graphs show how much of each color of the rainbow is in a given source of light. Incandescent bulbs are mostly Red-orange-yellow light with a bit of green and even less blue. 5000K fluorescent or LED bulbs are mostly blue light with just enough red orange and yellow to trick people into thinking the light is &#x27;white&#x27;.<p>I emailed Daniel Stern a few years ago and asked, essentially, &#x27;why aren&#x27;t auto manufacturers putting safe lights on their cars?&#x27; The essence of his reply was that the automotive engineers still know how to design safe headlights, but there were other considerations in play. I took this to mean that the marketing department told the engineers, &quot;cars with safe headlights don&#x27;t sell anymore, so you need to design headlights with blue-white LEDs.&quot; Daniel&#x27;s response also helped me realize that the worst of the headlights on the road in 2017 were LED retrofits, where people bought LEDs to replace the halogen bulbs their vehicle&#x27;s headlights were designed to use.<p>The shift to unsafe lights started in the 80&#x27;s or 90&#x27;s, when luxury brands started putting High Intensity Discharge lights on their vehicles. These lights have more blue light than the old incandescent and halogen headlights. Headlights with more blue became associated with more expensive cars, even though blue light is terrible for humans at night.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;High-intensity_discharge_lamp" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;High-intensity_discharge_lamp</a><p>Daniel has a webpage about how France used to require yellow headlights: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.danielsternlighting.com&#x2F;tech&#x2F;lights&#x2F;light_color&#x2F;light_color.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.danielsternlighting.com&#x2F;tech&#x2F;lights&#x2F;light_color&#x2F;...</a><p>The rest of Europe didn&#x27;t require yellow headlights, and there was a problem of having to put cadmium in the glass, so France got rid of their requirement.<p>I submitted an AskHN a few years ago, but it didn&#x27;t get much traction: <i>Ask HN: What prevents the automotive industry from using safe LEDs?</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=27334405">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=27334405</a><p>In 2020 I sat down to think about why blue light at night is so terrible, and sort of figured it out.
ddmf5 个月前
There are a couple of main issues:<p>1) is that some bulbs can be inserted into the holder two orientations, but only one is correct as there is often a shield stopping light bleeding up.<p>2) is that some lights appear to be almost horizontal rather than aimed down, if you&#x27;re driving a smaller car you have lights almost aimed right at you - we need to tax cars based on size as well as emissions.
cf100clunk5 个月前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=42332314">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=42332314</a><p>(12 points, 5 comments)
MortyWaves5 个月前
I’m in the UK and there’s been an increase in the number of people driving with actual full blown full beam headlights on.
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jimnotgym5 个月前
I would also like to add that the dazzling lights make it impossible to see the tiny indicators modern cars have
jeffrallen5 个月前
It took thousands of words to get to alignment. That&#x27;s the key. Switzerland has strict vehicle safety inspections, including an automated alignment test, and we don&#x27;t have glare problems that I&#x27;ve noticed.
jandrese5 个月前
Can we get the same thing applied to bike headlights? At night it is easier to bike on the road than the bike trail because almost every bike headlight is in effectively high beam mode all the time and are powered by outrageously bright LEDs. Sometimes they even have an epileptic detecting strobe mode.<p>Personally, I&#x27;m not sold on the safety benefits of blinding and dazzling all oncoming traffic.
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BXLE_1-1-BitIs15 个月前
SAE standards are there so North American manufacturers can cheap out.
xtiansimon5 个月前
Ultra bright vs fully tinted windows (front included). These are the days I feel greatest my German heritage.
k__5 个月前
I always wondered if polarization could be a solution to the problem.<p>Polarising headlights and adding a filter to the windshield.
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pxc5 个月前
I have a degenerative eye disease. As one of its features is loss of visual acuity, my driving days are numbered. When they come to an end, I&#x27;ll likely have to move, as it&#x27;s just not possible to efficiently or affordably get around in environments other than urban when you&#x27;re blind.<p>Another feature of my condition is extreme light sensitivity, and difficulties with contrast. I generally need a lot of it, but at the same time, bright light washes out everything around it, blinding me. That feature seems to be progressing more rapidly than the loss of acuity in my case. Consequently, the extreme brightness of headlights nowadays is likely to cut my night driving still shorter, perhaps by years.<p>If you&#x27;re not facing such a prospect yourself, it can be difficult to appreciate what a loss of freedom and ease it is to give up driving. It sucks bad.<p>I hope these overbright headlight haters continue to gain traction!
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g8oz5 个月前
Oh God yes please someone do something about this.
norir5 个月前
The most compelling issue to me came at the end of the piece, but it is much deeper and harder to address: the increasing lack of civility and anti-collectivist tendencies in American life.
thefz5 个月前
Whover wants to oppose these kind of headlights, and SUVs, will have my vote.
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MarkSweep5 个月前
Is there any similar campaign to have something done about loud vehicles?
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metalman5 个月前
safety! Safety!! SAFETY !!! brighter is safer, you loose:) there has been another insane thing ,where the lights in schools have gotten impossibly bright, and school bussses have strobes on top that can be seen 50 miles away. Its guaranteed that there are saftey comitties trying to legeslate much more extream measures