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Efficient German Language Learning: Is Anki the Answer?

56 点作者 shinryuu5 个月前

26 条评论

eigenspace5 个月前
&gt; It&#x27;s confession time: after nearly eight years living in Germany, I still haven&#x27;t learned the language. At this point it feels somewhat embarrassing and it&#x27;s something I&#x27;d like to change.<p>I don&#x27;t mean to shame the author, but I really do think this is quite sad, and the fact that this isn&#x27;t even surprising is one of the things that I dislike about being a native English speaker. It&#x27;s just <i>too</i> easy to get away with not learning the language somewhere. Not learning the language is not only isolating, but IMO rather weird &#x2F; presumptuous if you&#x27;re living there long term. Having lived in Germany for around a year and a half now, I am often a little embarrassed about speaking English in public (but that&#x27;s also partially the Canadian in me not wanting people to think I&#x27;m an American), and I find learning the German language to be a quite enriching experience.<p>There&#x27;s a lot of culture embedded in language, and it&#x27;s really worth learning new languages, especially so that you can better understand and relate to the people around you in the country you live in. People often have different personalities in different languages too. You may find a new side of yourself when you learn German, and you may find a new aspect in some of your German friends.
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djeastm5 个月前
There isn&#x27;t really an &quot;answer&quot; to efficient learning other than consistent exposure, imo.<p>I was an Arabic linguist in the Army and used Anki, first at the start to ramp-up, and then later on to broaden my vocabulary, so I definitely think it is a good tool, but the 88 weeks of classes day-in, day-out with native speakers helped a lot more.<p>Anki (or diligent use of flashcards) is good for the vocab part of languages (and that&#x27;s admittedly a big part of it), but the task of learning a language is much more holistic than people sometimes realize. They want to min&#x2F;max, and I get that, but language is something innate in us so it&#x27;s essential to realize how important immersion&#x2F;interaction is.
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stonesthrowaway5 个月前
It can&#x27;t hurt. But I think the most efficient way to learn german would be to live in germany... &quot;It&#x27;s confession time: after nearly eight years living in Germany...&quot;<p>If you can&#x27;t learn german in germany, then you simply do not want to learn the language. Don&#x27;t think anki will make a difference.
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treprinum5 个月前
Best way is to use ChatGPT + Whisper + ElevenLabs and a prompt where you tell the LLM to answer in German but to tell you what mistakes you made and what you should have said instead in your own language. Instead of this lazy &quot;immersion&quot; method German schools use in order to avoid speaking in any other language so students never understand what went wrong.
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timonofathens5 个月前
Things I can recommend:<p>- Do a German class: the biggest step up starting from nothing. If nothing else, listening to German 2-3 hours&#x2F;week will help you<p>- <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;germanforenglishspeakers.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;germanforenglishspeakers.com&#x2F;</a> for reference: essential grammar concepts<p>- Reading a book &#x2F; watching a TV show in German: something you already know, so you won&#x27;t get discouraged by lack of understanding<p>- Duolingo: just to have that 5-10 minutes every day. It won&#x27;t get you to fluency, but it&#x27;s a low-impact tool
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c4hansen5 个月前
8 years is certainly more than average, although expats not learning German is common enough to be something of a meme.<p>Anki works. I learned German using Anki. I recommend reading texts and making a card whenever you come across a new word.<p>That said, the most valuable thing is just to integrate German into your life. If your use of German is limited to Anki decks, then you&#x27;ll have to keep using Anki for the rest of your life just to remain fluent. I doubt you want that.<p>Instead, think about the things you like to do. Try to use German when doing those things. Try to make German friends and converse with them in German. If you like to read books, try to read books in German. Try to make German something that has real value for your life.
samuell5 个月前
It was an eye opener for me to realize the simple fact that:<p>You will learn what you practice.<p>If you practice reading and speaking words, that is what you will learn. Unfortunately the language is not in its essence consisting of words (although that&#x27;s a part of it), but sentences.<p>Also, the pronunciation is much more important than people realize, because it is extremely hard to re-learn a pronunciation you have learned wrong.<p>And this is why I love and have had pretty surprising results with Pimsleur.<p>As a testament, I did 7 lessons of Pimsleur Hebrew before visiting Israel for a conference. Talking to people in the elevator, I pronounced my &quot;Ani lo mevin ivritt&quot; with such a perfect pronunciation that they started talking to me full gas ahead.<p>I also did a few dozen lessons of German, and felt I improved my knowledge more than I did during 2-3 years of school study.<p>What I like with Pimsleur is how combines a number of very well thought out factors:<p>- It practices real world sentences that are useful in conversations from minute 1 - It drills down to the single individual syllable, to make sure you got the pronunciation right - The correct pronunciation and real world sentences and topic in turn makes it much easier IMO to pick up what people in the language are talking about (I overhear my languages I study a lot on the subway etc now) - It only requires 30 minute audio-based listening and practicing per day, which means it is perfect for a bike commute or daily run&#x2F;walk. - The spaced repetition works really great
Barrin925 个月前
I am German so I know and have practiced with quite a few people learning the language, and I&#x27;ve also used Anki when I learned Japanese. I&#x27;ve broadly made the same experience in both cases.<p>Flashcards or other learning tools don&#x27;t hurt, but they don&#x27;t contribute significantly to fluency in a language. When I went to Japan equipped with my vocabulary I learned one thing really quick, I understood nothing in everyday conversation. Learning vocab explicitly maybe turns you into a great scrabble player, but it&#x27;s an entirely different part of the brain compared to being able to parse and engage in natural conversation. Same thing when people learned German with me, what helped them the most usually was just listening and trying to talk. Vocabulary and grammar comes naturally. In particular in German, sentence structure and order is often quite complicated and a bit arbitrary, you&#x27;re never going to learn it theoretically.<p>I actually like Pimsleur quite a bit in particular for beginners because it puts a lot of emphasis on just listening to comprehensible speech. It can get you over this annoying starting point of not having any media available to engage with.
Brigand5 个月前
People I know had good success with Pimsleur.
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ofou5 个月前
Learn to pronounce German sounds accurately, and then read the entire Harry Potter series out loud. By the time you&#x27;re halfway through, you&#x27;ll be well on your way to fluency. Many focus too much on understanding meaning, but what&#x27;s crucial is also training your mouth and larynx muscles to form the sounds naturally. Understanding comes pretty much from context alone. Use a dictionary sparingly.
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makropulos5 个月前
I’ve been learning German for about the same amount of time. The biggest boost for me now is using the voice mode with ChatGPT. This mode gives me positive reinforcement—using a newly learned word and hearing GPT understand it feels great. Plus, I can fit it into my walk to work. Vocabulary has always been a challenge for me, so thank you for the deck!
WalterBright5 个月前
Just reading the front page of the newspaper every day would do the trick. Look up every word you don&#x27;t know.<p>Newspapers are targeted at a 6th grade level, so that&#x27;s about right.<p>What helps is the common speaking vocabulary is about 2000 words. Not a tough goal to achieve. It&#x27;d be nice start to have a list of those words.
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sio8ohPi5 个月前
I&#x27;ve been satisfied with Anki for French over the last year or so.<p>The big schisms I see among other users tend to be sentence cards vs vocab cards, pre-existing decks vs build-your-own, and whether or not to include NL -&gt; TL cards. Some people also favor cards with only TL and images. Personally I felt sentence cards did little for me, and I feel building my own deck is an important part of it.<p>From retrospectives from people abandoning anki, I get the impression that the most common problems are becoming too rigid (making it an exercise in memorizing the dictionary), and using Anki to the detriment of other forms of engagement with the language. I think that&#x27;s one of the virtues of the build-your-own deck approach: it forces you to balance Anki with other forms of study.
hedgeho5 个月前
I&#x27;ve been living in Finland for several years, and learning Finnish has been an uphill battle. Almost all Finns in capital area speak very good English, and they often switch to English if they feel that I am struggling to form a sentence. It doesn&#x27;t help that Finnish is not an Indo-European language.<p>One thing that stuck was watching Finnish movies in cinema with English subtitles, and having Finnish as my phone&#x27;s system language. Also, in-person courses. I agree with others that consistent exposure seems to be crucial, but when work is entirely in English it is surprisingly hard to have constant exposure even when living in the country.
cladopa5 个月前
Learning any language today is extremely easy thanks to ChatGPT. Just ask 5 minutes everyday ChatGPT in German, he will answer in german. It could be half an hour, or an hour.<p>Just ask for the things you are interested in. First in text, then using the audio interface. Use google translate to create the questions and to understand the answers if necessary. Over time you won&#x27;t need it.<p>In one or two years doing that every single day you are going to be fluent.<p>For learning German I used Anki long time ago. I used Michel Thomas audios. But ChatGPT is so powerful, I would have learned it way faster with it if I could use it years ago.
snapetom5 个月前
After hearing about Anki and FSRS, I&#x27;m trying to use Anki it for learning a new language. I&#x27;m a little frustrated and overwhelmed at the options. I&#x27;ll look at a deck that says I have nothing to review, but I know I&#x27;m not confident in my retention. Besides a custom study, is there a way to go through a deck whenever I want?<p>This seems to be more of a problem for smaller decks, say a dozen items. FSRS seems to do better with large decks where the statistic advantages come more into play.
bowsamic5 个月前
&gt; It&#x27;s confession time: after nearly eight years living in Germany, I still haven&#x27;t learned the language. At this point it feels somewhat embarrassing and it&#x27;s something I&#x27;d like to change.<p>As an Englishman who has been living in Germany for 3 years I sometimes feel like other expats are living in a totally different universe to me<p>Or maybe it’s just Berlin, where I, no joke, went into a major outdoors shop and the shop floor staff did not speak German
Kim_Bruning5 个月前
I may or may not have learned a lot of German vocabulary by watching (dubbed) anime on German TV. It was in the time of satellite TV; the cool British channels had all become encoded, and what&#x27;s a bored teenager to do on a rainy afternoon?<p>That said, it&#x27;s probably still a valid approach even these days.
theF00l5 个月前
In my journey (B2, C1 on a good day), using Anki on public transport was of great help for grammar, eg irregular past tense forms, verbs with prepositions, fixed phrases. Releasing these Anki decks is a future project because making them was a pain.<p>But for learning to actually use the language: books, documentaries, and ideally immersion.
viksit5 个月前
imo, the easiest way to learn a language is to start speaking it in real life esp if you live in the country. your brain starts filling in and you start to learn how to fill knowledge gaps by reading and hearing others in a “sponge” like way.<p>(i’m bilingual, learned 4 languages as a kid, and 1 as an adult. i also speak german)
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smitty1e5 个月前
I&#x27;ve had some prior exposure and been going through DuoLingo German.<p>Being mostly done, I&#x27;m at a low B1 proficiency in a year.<p>It is quite an astounding piece of learning software, overall. They have a music module that I&#x27;ve tinkered with a bit, but a phone is no substitute for a piano. Haven&#x27;t looked at the math stuff.
YuanJiwei5 个月前
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shae5 个月前
I was talking to Damien when he was first writing Anki. He&#x27;d moved to Japan and wanted to learn Japanese. He married a native of Japan and last I heard still lives there. I&#x27;d call that a success story.
treetalker5 个月前
I&#x27;ll seize the opportunity to recommend Glossika to everyone.<p>I have no commercial ties to it — just a very happy user.
wccrawford5 个月前
I&#x27;ve been &quot;learning Japanese&quot; for like 20 years now, but from the US. During that time, I&#x27;ve heard a few times that it&#x27;s possible to live in Japan in a &quot;Gaijin bubble&quot; where you deliberately surround yourself with other foreigners and remove the necessity to learn the local language.<p>After trying a <i>ton</i> of ways to learn, I think what was most effective was some kind of structured learning combined with <i>using the language</i> to consume content. For me, that was listening to anime (weak learning) and reading untranslated manga (much stronger) and even some really easy light novels. The structured content was necessary for the initial hurdle, but still provided more learning than the Japanese content, but the JP content provided stickiness for the structured learning.<p>They&#x27;re both necessary.<p>If I lived in Japan, that &quot;Japanese content&quot; would have been just going out into the world and interacting with Japanese people, sticking to Japanese as much as possible.<p>I went there for a couple weeks once, and I didn&#x27;t use my Japanese much, but what I did use still sticks with me to this day. Doing that more and more would be incredibly effective.<p>So if you want Anki to be your &quot;structured content&quot;, that&#x27;s probably fine. And that deck is probably a decent one. I have a feeling a pre-designed course (such as Duo Lingo or a Learn German book) would be better, but motivation and sticking to it is more important than anything.<p>You just need to pick something and stick to it, and <i>use it</i> in real life.
knubie5 个月前
I think spaced repetition can be very helpful in language learning, but the author&#x27;s plan of finding a pre-made deck of the most common 5,000 words is probably the worst way to use it.<p>A much more effective approach is to create vocab cards yourself as you find new words through your immersion. Immersion could be anything from watching content online, to reading, to conversations with native speakers. From here you can skip the 500 or so most common words because those will appear <i>exponentially</i> more frequently and don&#x27;t really require spaced repetition if you are regularly immersing.<p>Also if you&#x27;re not an engineer, or you don&#x27;t want to fiddle with Anki plugins you can use Mochi [0] which has built in support for text-to-speech, dictionary lookup, transcription, etc.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mochi.cards&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mochi.cards&#x2F;</a>