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A data table thousands of years old (2020)

256 点作者 rickcarlino5 个月前

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jbkcc5 个月前
This is amazing. I’ve been collecting images of tables in an are.na album for a while, trying to get a handle on all the ways they show up in visual culture. This one is by far the oldest I’ve ever seen! If you’re interested in this you might enjoy the album, too. It’s <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.are.na&#x2F;joshua-kopin&#x2F;tabular-presentation" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.are.na&#x2F;joshua-kopin&#x2F;tabular-presentation</a>
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eieio5 个月前
Is there a good word for &quot;obvious&quot; that doesn&#x27;t have negative connotations?<p>When I see something like this it makes me think about how a spreadsheet structure is &quot;obvious&quot; - but I mean it positively! It&#x27;s a beautiful, intuitive, almost inevitable way to lay out data, and I&#x27;m delighted that folks came up with something like this so long ago.<p>I feel this way about a lot of my favorite posts on HN, whether they&#x27;re a bit of history, a totally new invention, or something different entirely. And I certainly feel it here.
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numpy-thagoras5 个月前
Sumerian Spreadsheets. This means only one thing: the History channel will find a way to attribute the creation of spreadsheets to aliens.
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mcphage5 个月前
&gt; I&#x27;m pretty confident, though, that in another thousand years there will still be ancient data tables &quot;archived&quot; underground in Iraq, while todays&#x27; billions of spreadsheets in digital form and on non-archival paper will have long since disappeared.<p>Probably, but you never know. The Mesopotamians didn’t intend their tablets to last this long, either—but they often got burned in fires, which hardened them so they lasted. So some of our artifacts might get accidentally preserved as well.
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TZubiri5 个月前
The advantages of tables, are that you can visually or geometrically read the contents easily, whether it is reading a row and only a row, or wether it&#x27;s reading the contents of a column sequentally.<p>While we had spreadsheets since the 90s, which visually allow the user to create tables. Relational database take this concept to the very architecture in both the storage format and as in the data retrieval mechanisms.<p>Relational databases define schemas with fixed length fields, and by extension each row has a fixed length. This is equivalent to the horizontal length of a column, but in terms of bytes. This allows for quickly finding the nth row of a table, or the ith field of a column.<p>Query languages formalize the algorithm for reading a traditional table. Going row by row checking the description of each transaction (Select * from table), comparing it to our searched term (where description = salary), then going to the column with the destination account, and looking for that in another table with a similar process.<p>Just that, interesting how the same metaphor lead to 2 very different types of accounting software.
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GnarfGnarf5 个月前
I&#x27;m working on a project to 3D-print tablets of text, press them onto clay slabs, and fire the latter in a kiln. Should preserve the information, such as biographies, for as long as Babylonian tablets.
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closed5 个月前
It&#x27;s neat to see tablets discussed in the context of modern tools. I recently helped edit an article for Great Tables[1] that discusses the history of tables like this, and recently Hannes mentioned a protocuniform tablet in his duckdb keynote at posit::conf()[2].<p>There&#x27;s something really inspiring from realizing how far back tables go.<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;posit-dev.github.io&#x2F;great-tables&#x2F;blog&#x2F;design-philosophy&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;posit-dev.github.io&#x2F;great-tables&#x2F;blog&#x2F;design-philoso...</a><p>[2]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;GELhdezYmP0?si=bSISmFjeRpKxfLWq" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;GELhdezYmP0?si=bSISmFjeRpKxfLWq</a>
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notorandit5 个月前
What it&#x27;s not obvious it the amount of technical and cultural advancements Sumerians did. We don&#x27;t know enough about them as their history has been mostly lost and only crumbles and leftovers can be recovered from the dust of the millennia. Besides a bunch of words still in use, in some form, in modern languages, the writing itself seems not to be the greatest invention, while bringing humanity from prehistory silence to history chatter.<p>I wouldn&#x27;t be surprised if we found evidence of more technical and social advancements we have given for granted in the past thousand years.
yzydserd5 个月前
Rumor has it the ancient Chinese were using Pandas even earlier.
29athrowaway5 个月前
If you like history and you like tables, these are some of the most historically relevant tables:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Alfonsine_tables" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Alfonsine_tables</a>
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OrvalWintermute5 个月前
Notice how it includes the Igigi (lesser gods of their pantheon) and mention great weapons of An[u], Enlil &amp; Enki, the Ruling gods of their pantheon, associated with city destruction
rezmason5 个月前
For years I&#x27;ve wondered what the first, earliest color lookup table was.<p>Like any mapping from an index to a color value. Like a design for a Roman mosaic that indexes tesserae, or a declaration of which parts of a statue or mural would receive which color paint. Or even the inventory of someone who traded in pigments.
niobe5 个月前
Excel is in our DNA and will never die
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jcarrano5 个月前
I wonder what would happen if we had a time machine and could bring one of those ancient accountants to the modern age. Maybe in just a couple of weeks they would be able to fill in Excel sheets with ease.
BeefWellington5 个月前
Thanks for sharing this. Pretty awesome to see how old aspects of technology are, especially as relates to clear and concise communication.
smpx75 个月前
Excel -2k
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nunez5 个月前
Amazing. I wonder what their generations &quot;AI&quot; was.
uncomplexity_5 个月前
that&#x27;s a heavy ass ipad to bring around