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Has anyone else noticed Reddit being taken over by shills/bot/trolls

66 点作者 thoughtcritical5 个月前
with very little help by mods in the last year? Blocking tons of perp accounts is tiresome but really the only way to use it now. Will it eventually become some really odd platform where 90% of the posts/accounts are shills/bots/trolls shitposting narratives devoid of any critical thought? That does seem to be where it is currently headed.

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Terr_5 个月前
&gt; last year<p>I dunno, a bit before that my only account of 10+ years got sitewide shadowbanned without warning or explanation, with everything I ever wrote (and all replies to it) vanishing from public view. I used their appeal page, got a message saying it was an error and my appeal was <i>approved</i>... and then it stayed broken and and appeals won&#x27;t work because it says <i>the account is normal</i>.<p>I resurrected an ancient career-advice-throwaway account to ask for help, <i>and the same thing happened</i>. And their generic support site is a total black-hole. I&#x27;m not ashamed to say the process was way more emotionally-devastating than I would have expected, as it was my primary social-media identity.<p>That certainly tore off some blinders about how close we are to being sharecroppers to our Kafkaesque system overlords.
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mjrpes5 个月前
I only subscribe to about 15 mid-sized niche hobby subreddits and one location subreddit. I haven&#x27;t noticed any issues with shills&#x2F;bots&#x2F;trolls.
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billy99k5 个月前
&quot;devoid of any critical thought&quot;<p>This defines Reddit. No bots involved.
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FloorEgg5 个月前
Definitely. The Overton window on Reddit is tightly managed. Anything outside of it is shadow banned at admin level and whatever is inside is amplified by bot comments. Been going on for years.
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moribvndvs5 个月前
Spam, link farming, shilling, and shitposting has not only become an unstoppable disaster, now they are apparently keen to go after people trying to use the tools provided to them to help moderate content. I was threatened with a ban for violating rule 8, using reporting tools to harass and ironically spam. It was automated of course, so I appealed and after several months they told me it was upheld but just gave me a warning. I doubt they really looked at it at all, as I don’t think anyone’s steering the ship anymore.<p>And that’s just it. After the API changes, mod revolt, AI scraping deal, and IPO, the owners got what they wanted while in the process breaking the back of the community and now it’s virtually rudderless and adrift, and would probably drop off the radar entirely if it weren’t for all the effluence openly running through it every day. I wasn’t using the site much after the API changes, but the disdain I was treated with sealed the deal.
rvrs5 个月前
This is not news -- Reddit has been very clearly astroturfed for years now
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thenextpandemic4 个月前
Class action law suit is what I say… if I share my opinions or just a factual story in public.. no jerk wad is gonna have the nerve to make a sarcastic or hateful comment to my face… I’m 47 and it’s still never happened to this day… one innocent post on Reddit and I’m getting banned for “reacting to the harassment “ that should be dealt with or disallowed to begin with. They are providing an open forum for harassment which makes them criminally liable no matter what their policies say ,as you cannot contractually give up or suspend your human rights.
lazypenguin5 个月前
Online discourse has been declining in quality for many years in my opinion. I think as a consequence of more platforms where more specialized conversations are happening now in private: Facebook groups, discord channels, livestream chats, etc. I think it’s hard to say if the junk has gotten worse on Reddit or the good stuff now has dwindled. However all the popular sites, including this one, are gamed by companies. There’s even strategies for when to post on HN, at what time and with what kind of title to get the most engagement.
superkuh5 个月前
Back in 2015&#x2F;16, yes, it became obvious that Reddit corporate had sold out and was letting corporate spam bots run the show. Even going so far as to invent being able to &#x27;post&#x27; to your own &#x2F;u&#x2F;profile instead of subreddits just for corporate spam accounts like &#x2F;u&#x2F;washingtonpost to be able to spam the front page without moderation.<p>I imagine it&#x27;s only become worse since. Reddit was reddit from 2005-2016. Since then it&#x27;s just been Facebook refugees and bots.
LorenDB5 个月前
According to UserBenchmark, Reddit has been overrun by AMD-shilling accounts for years. (To be clear, nobody takes them seriously.)<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.notebookcheck.net&#x2F;UserBenchmark-gets-banned-from-major-subreddit-due-to-drama-generation.461875.0.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.notebookcheck.net&#x2F;UserBenchmark-gets-banned-from...</a>
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variadix5 个月前
Since ChatGPT’s release you can’t rely on user testimonials for products on Reddit. There were paid shills before ChatGPT, but it was harder to do at scale. Now there are way too many bot replies to sift through.
psychip5 个月前
the entire internet taken over by bots since last two years. gen-z still part of human genome but no different than robots in conversational level.
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l0ng1nu55 个月前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Dead_Internet_theory" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Dead_Internet_theory</a>
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whazor5 个月前
Actually, I noticed in a subreddit where some commenters were labelled &#x27;1% commenter&#x27;. This gives me a completely new picture, where the &#x27;1% commenters&#x27; are given the same usual narratives on the same topics over and over. I believe that these people are real, not shit-posting, and are genuinely passionate about the topics. Nevertheless, reading the non 1% comments is also interesting.
01HNNWZ0MV43FF5 个月前
The last couple times I tried to make an account, it was instantly hellbanned.<p>Guess they prefer the bots. So I come here and go on Mastodon for ocean-pissing
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potsandpans5 个月前
I&#x27;ve observed it right here on hn.
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timbit425 个月前
Each sub-Reddit is different. Some are terrible, some are great. I just leave the bad ones.
BMc20205 个月前
According to Steve Gibson (Security Now podcast among other things), &quot;Attacks never get weaker, they only get stronger.&quot;<p>I remember being able to attract bots from a certain eastern mediterranian country and a certain south of Siberia country with just certain trigger words. They seem a lot more sophisticated now.<p>in the sr about economics over there the mention of a certain economist would instantly attract the &#x27;bury brigade&#x27; to downvote the post. Haven&#x27;t been there in years so I have no idea what it&#x27;s like now.<p>Until we find our Neo, the only thing we can do is run when we attract the attention of an Agent.
Pigalowda5 个月前
I agree. Lots of work to block, mute, and hide. In fact that was most of my time on it recently until I deleted it. Either you join the bot run hive mind or spend your time managing rather than consuming entertainment.
kaamkiya5 个月前
I occasionally browse Reddit (I don&#x27;t have an account), but I think I knew that it was going bad back when all those subreddits were protesting.<p>Back then, it wasn&#x27;t because of bots, but I did think that most websites going through enshittification will eventually be filled with bots.<p>I did find <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;discuit.net" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;discuit.net</a> to be a good alternative, as well as Lemmy.
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downrightmike5 个月前
Spez has been there a while and that is 100% their business model.
OsrsNeedsf2P5 个月前
I will happily admit I sold my Reddit account (same name as HN, moderator of a few niche subs) after the API changes. I only recently recovered it so I could start posting again
add-sub-mul-div5 个月前
It&#x27;s been worthless for a few years. Reddit and Twitter are a quarantine for the worst of the internet, so that the next generation of online spaces remain higher quality.
seba_dos15 个月前
Yes, about a decade ago. Why do you ask?
monero-xmr5 个月前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;x.com&#x2F;reddit_lies&#x2F;status&#x2F;1870220129255981364?s=46" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;x.com&#x2F;reddit_lies&#x2F;status&#x2F;1870220129255981364?s=46</a><p>You see the themes everywhere. Similarly worded comments and posts made at the same time and upvoted in order to manipulate thoughts and emotions.
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username1355 个月前
i really miss &#x2F;r&#x2F;sas<p>the sas forums are great, but there were always lost nuggets of code you&#x27;d come across that made your day when you were stuck<p>i still browse the site but stick to a small handful of niche subs
djaouen5 个月前
I tried posting on Reddit a couple of times when I had new blog posts but found my posts were immediately deleted because I didn’t have post history on the subreddits. Haven’t used Reddit since!
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BobbyTables25 个月前
I feel like all of the popular subs like “r&#x2F;todayilearned” and such are posts by bots.<p>Many topics are repeated numerous times. I know the relevant XKCD, but still have trouble accepting things like “TIL the sky is blue” .
DidYaWipe5 个月前
They call those &quot;moderators.&quot;
kyriakos5 个月前
Many large sub reddits are insufferable at this point but I still see great value in smaller niche topics.
fidotron5 个月前
There&#x27;s more to this. If you see traffic that comes from reddit it inexplicably dropped off a lot (like over 30%) after the US election, even in totally unrelated areas.<p>The preferences of HN in recent months have also changed in some hard to pinpoint way, but I suspect it is now gamed to a degree that is hard to fight due to all the tools for writing AI bots.
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matthewfelgate5 个月前
Reddit is now only useful as data for AI training.
unethical_ban5 个月前
Short story: yes.<p>Anything that is not targeting current events is super easy to game.<p>Hot chicks, historical photos, &quot;TIL&quot;, and &quot;interesting&quot; subsa re rife with unoriginal content and onlyfans bait. Then, as some have noted, there will be bots that steal comment top comments of those reposts, for another layer of bullshit.<p>Many current events subs are safe spaces of far left or far right agendas.<p>I&#x27;m left wing, bit the Texas subreddit got co-opted by overtly political moderators and it is mostly political now (though it&#x27;s hard to avoid politics these days).<p>The only genuine places these days are hobby subs that are hard to game karma from. And maybe some local or regional subs.<p>Otherwise... Yeah, it&#x27;s gotten really, really bad.<p>I should do a write up with some of my findings.
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suby5 个月前
I was on Digg, and I switched to Reddit prior to the Digg exodus. So it&#x27;s been a while, at least 15 years that I&#x27;ve been there.<p>I think the quality of discussion on these sites has definitely gotten worse, but it&#x27;s always been pretty bad. Digg people would post absolutely idiotic shit, even by today&#x27;s standards. The thing that sticks out to me is something that I don&#x27;t even think is appropriate to mention here, but I want to mention it because I think it illustrates how insanely poor the level of discussion was on these older forums -- there was an ASCII art meme that was reposted in seemingly every thread -- pedobear, a bear that wanted to molest children. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Pedobear" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Pedobear</a>. Hilarious (sarcasm)....<p>I switched to Reddit because it did not have people posting this crap in every thread. It was refreshing to have a forum where people weren&#x27;t spamming idiotic ascii memes but actually discussing things.<p>But even so, it&#x27;s all relative. At one point probably near 2009 or 2010, I was struck by the amount of unhinged comments where people called for outright revolution and violence against the US government &#x2F; capitalistic systems. I stopped sometime after reaching 100 count in a week or two. I hope it goes without saying, but any violent overthrow of the current status quo is not going to be replaced with something better. It&#x27;s going to have end up in an authoritarian dystopian nightmare.<p>At least back then though I felt like it was actual people being unhinged. Now I don&#x27;t think you can use Reddit as a barometer for the public opinion on anything. I simply think the amount of fake shills and accounts are too high. Reddit got its start by faking comments, but there was definitely a peak in the ratio of genuine to fake comments, and we&#x27;re in my estimation doing very very bad on that benchmark nowadays. This became evident on large subreddits like r&#x2F;politics back in 2016, where on a dime it was like a button was pressed in a machine and the shape and color of comments all change in unison. The site is gamed to hell and back.<p>I like Discord nowadays because I can be sure I&#x27;m interacting with a real human, though how long this will stay true I don&#x27;t know. The internet desperately needs a system in place which can distinguish between genuine human beings and bots. I think much of the social issues we have nowadays stems from how bad actors are manipulating what people see online, and confusing people on where the consensus actually is. Various actors are waging psychological warfare on the public, and the public does not even seem to acknowledge it, even when it is blatantly obvious (as in the example of something like Tik Tok).
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drewcoo5 个月前
Flagged this because shitposts about other sites just oughta be flagged.<p>Tell me otherwise and prove it!
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