Luigi Mangione Prosecutors Have a Jury Problem: 'So Much Sympathy'

It&#x27;s not just about one CEO.<p>Thoughts on why <i>not</i> to condone vigilante justice:<p>* You might have mixed feelings about one particular target, but what about emboldening all the people who would choose other targets? Think of all the mentally unstable people, with access to firearms, who believe the most ridiculous propaganda that&#x27;s being shoveled to them, about being under existential threat from domestic enemies. Won&#x27;t any surge of political murders presumably be by the sickest, stupidest, and shittiest people?<p>* What about ostensible threats against CEOs and other powerful people being used as a pretext to give them special protection by the state, and corresponding encroachment on the liberties of others? Could this elevate a fascist overclass even more?

No they don’t, there is no limit to how many jurors you can strike for cause. It would take them a long ass time to select them but it’s not unusual in cases like this for the process to take as much as a year.<p>But at the end of the day the prosecution will have a jury that holds little sympathy. Anyone who did has already posted on social media about this which will be used to strike them.<p>And that is assuming the prosecution won’t find additional grounds for striking them such as anyone who had their claim denied recently.<p>Jury selection always favors the prosecution and for high profile cases it favors them more since the public is naturally tainted.<p>The jury will end up being made up of 55-65 white male executives from up-state New York simply because they will end up being the only ones who have not tainted themselves with shitty takes on Twitter.<p>The murder 2 charge is a slam dunk, so are the weapon charges.<p>This will not be a case of jury nullification since it requires a unanimous consensus.<p>Any ideological holdouts would likely won’t pass selection and for sure won’t hold up to sequestering since there is no way a judge would call for a mistrial after an already lengthy selection process until weeks and maybe even months pass in deliberations.<p>Anyone who thinks this guy would get off needs to get out of their bubble.

That&#x27;s not a problem; it&#x27;s a feature.

OT: A question about UHC.<p>In previous threads here a lot of commentators offered rather poor opinions of UnitedHealthcare insurance. In particular they have a reputation of denying claims at a rate of twice the industry average.<p>I&#x27;ve noticed that all the comments I&#x27;ve seen from people unhappy with UHC and all the stories I&#x27;ve read are about the kind of plans that most people here from the US would have. E.g., a plan that they got through their employer, or that they bought on the ACA marketplace, or that they bought directly from the insurer.<p>Question: does UHC&#x27;s terribleness also apply to their Medigap plans?<p>My understanding is that if Medicare approves a medical service then your Medigap plan cannot deny payment for their share of the costs. Pretty much all the complaints about UHC are about them trying to deny payment by claiming the service was unnecessary or that a cheaper alternative service needs to be used. So if you are getting a Medigap plan to help with Medicare deductibles and coinsurance and&#x2F;or to get an annual cap on out of pocket total Medicare costs and don&#x27;t care about any extras the plan offers then there isn&#x27;t a reason to not consider UHC.<p>I know that some Medigap plans provide extra coverage beyond what is required by regulation for Medigap plans. For example some add coverage to things Medicare does not cover, such as foreign travel medical insurance. I would guess that on those extra things they can try to deny claims, so if you care about those extra than UHC&#x27;s reputation should give you pause.

I kind of half expect him to be acquitted under the &quot;needed killin&#x27;&quot; doctrine.

Now that’s democracy

It won&#x27;t happen, but jury nullification seems appropriate for a case where barely relevant charges are being added to send a message.

I&#x27;m sure they can find a jury of 12 CEOs&#x2F;(m&#x2F;b)illionaires who are far removed from such downstair people things as being denied insurance.

i know we do non tech news as well but this doesn’t seem notable or interesting enough to qualify. maybe an article about the history of jury nullification would be better