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The new science of controlling lucid dreams

185 点作者 cainxinth5 个月前

23 条评论

Willingham5 个月前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;ZDSVY" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;ZDSVY</a>
the__alchemist5 个月前
For anyone not familiar, a common class of techniques people used to use (still do? Not mentioned in the article) involve regularly testing yourself to see if you&#x27;re in a dream. Counting your fingers; in dreams, you may not have 5 per finger. (Sound familiar from a modern take?) Or, look at numbers and words; a digital clock; in dreams they may not make sense, but in real life they do. (OK, this is really sounding familiar...)<p>The idea is that when you check while awake, you will pass the awake-check, but set up a habit pattern. While dreaming, you will observe weird stuff when this happens, realize it must then you must be dreaming; you then become <i>lucid</i>, and can sort of control the dream, or at least be aware you&#x27;re dreaming.<p>It may or may not have worked for me a handful of times. It certainly felt so, but only briefly, and I can&#x27;t confirm it was the desired effect. Would wake up shortly after each time.
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pentagrama5 个月前
As a kid, I was so happy to &quot;discover&quot; that I could be mildly awake and control my dreams. It happened by mistake: I fell asleep while listening to loud music. I was in a middle state, half-awake because of the loud music, and half-asleep, dreaming. In the dream, I was an observer, aware that it was a dream. The music in the background was annoying me, and it was stressful. Later, I &quot;improved&quot; the technique and learned to control the dream while blocking out the annoying music.<p>Disclaimer: My message before ChatGPT correcteded because my English isn&#x27;t good enough to me:<p>As a kid I was so happy to &quot;discover&quot; that I can be mildly awake and control my dreams. It happen by mistake, I fall at sleep while listening music loudly, I was in a middle state of being awake because the loud music, and being sleep dreaming, in the dream I was as a observer, knowing that that was a dream, and with the music on the backround annoying me, it was stresfull. Later I &quot;improved&quot; the technique and was able to control the dream, and discard the annoying music.
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mjburgess5 个月前
Given lucidity more often arises in broken sleep, I wonder if historical biphasic sleep patterns meant that lucidity was much more common in the past. And so if there could be a correlation here with religious visions.<p>I was in a conversation recently with a christian convert who seemed to operate on the principle that the tenants of a religion are real if there are religious experiences which indicate it to be so -- and it became clear they meant in dreams, but not exactly dream-like states. At the same event there was a muslim who had family members with visions (and so on). I made the point that localised to each region of the world are its own cultural beliefs &#x27;replayed back&#x27; in such states -- this is especially noticiable in schizophrenia where psychosis-based delusions are <i>heavily</i> mapped through a cultural lens (eg., some spy service is contacting them through 5G; and UFOs in a previous era; ghosts before then; and devils before then).<p>It does seem plausible that lucid dreaming offers a plausible explanation of religious &#x27;visions&#x27; which occur in well-functioning people; and likewise a mechanism for why they are so encultured -- with gods of one locale appearing to adhearents there.<p>And if lucid dream were previously much more widespread, this offers an additional benefit of religious mythology, which is narrative material for the construction of these dreams.
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speff5 个月前
I used to be heavily into lucid dreaming back in the early 00s along with others in the Dream Views forum. That was a wild time with people making new ways to induce a lucid dreaming (with techniques usually ending in -ILD). If you told us this back then<p>&gt; This research could lead to wearable devices programmed with algorithms that detect opportune moments to induce lucidity in people as they sleep<p>-we would’ve lost our minds. Above most other recent inventions, this really feels like the future
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freediver5 个月前
&gt; In the lab we can prime sleepers to have lucid dreams by waking them and then prompting them as they fall back asleep.<p>This felt odd to read.
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sollewitt5 个月前
I was expecting the article to explore how you are basically interrupting sleep to achieve this.<p>The purpose of sleep isn&#x27;t to dream, it&#x27;s to garbage collect. Activating parts of the brain to control dreams means they aren&#x27;t sleeping anymore, which surely is getting in the way of the primary function?
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butterNaN5 个月前
I suppose I can hunt and peck but it would be nice to have links to the studies&#x2F;papers mentioned. I wonder if they pay attention to any side-effects of lucid dreaming - after all, there is a reason we sleep the way we sleep, and tempering with it must have some cost.
jl65 个月前
The ultimate video game rendering engine.
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gverrilla5 个月前
I barely dream nowadays. But it was intense in childhood and teen years. Maybe because of all the violence and stress of family&#x2F;school&#x2F;christianity.
CPLX5 个月前
For those of you who are not crusty aging Gen-Xers such as myself, perhaps I can introduce you to the movie &quot;Dreamscape&quot; which I found pretty captivating as a pre-teen.<p>Looks like it&#x27;s out there on streaming services still: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tvguide.com&#x2F;movies&#x2F;dreamscape&#x2F;2000115208&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tvguide.com&#x2F;movies&#x2F;dreamscape&#x2F;2000115208&#x2F;</a>
hnburnsy5 个月前
No commentray but I find it interesting that this is considered research by a scientific journal...<p>&gt;That was the conclusion of a recent study by Mallett, who surveyed 400 posts on Reddit to identify exactly when and how lucid dreams are helpful for improving mental health.
toddmorey5 个月前
The new science is… podcasts. I fell asleep listening to Ologies and dreamed I was building a new cabin in the woods. (She had a cabin architect on as the guest.)
chasd005 个月前
i have a very vivid imagination to the point that in some circumstances when i think back to what i was imagining the memory &quot;feels&quot; like a dream. It&#x27;s hard to describe but i can walk through scenarios is fine detail and then a few days later when i think back it&#x27;s like remembering a dream. It&#x27;s sort of like lucid dreaming but it takes a few days to remember it as a lucid dream.
b0dhimind5 个月前
Any budget-friendly lucid dreaming devices that work?
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dylan6045 个月前
I was really hoping repeating the mantra &quot;mind awake, body asleep&quot; would be the trick as suggested by Elliot from Mr Robot
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tiahura5 个月前
Unfortunately, at some point in life, barely awake = realizing you need to pee.
soulofmischief5 个月前
I began lucid dreaming at the same instant that I began having sleep paralysis about 20 years ago, at age 9. I had a vivid dream, which I still remember in great detail, in which I was in a graveyard and was cursed by a ghost due to the actions of my grandfather.<p>I woke up from the dream in a state of sleep paralysis, and predictably tried screaming but to no avail. Since then, I would lucid dream at least a few times a week for many years. I would also constantly get sleep paralysis and night terrors. The night terrors were nothing new, I&#x27;d had them for as long as I can remember. But they would consistently occur when I was in sleep paralysis.<p>During paralysis, before falling asleep or after waking up, I would hallucinate beings entering my room, shuffling things around, staring at me, touching me and speaking to me. I&#x27;ve been visited by ghosts, people, giant spiders, the grim reaper, succubi, elves, all sorts of things. Usually there is a great feeling of terror or impending doom. Sometimes I&#x27;m told specific things or asked to do favors for the beings.<p>It&#x27;s easy to see how people would mistake these incidents for real encounters with otherworldly beings during a time when science was less advanced. In fact, my Catholic guardians were convinced, and still are, that I was possessed by Satan. I never received help for my night terrors, which largely exist because of childhood torture by my guardians in the first place. My grandfather would shake me violently and tell me that Satan was inside of me and that I would never have the capacity to love another person, and that my nightmares and &quot;possession&quot; were a result of letting Satan in my heart.<p>Eventually I realized that I was having lucid dreams and sleep paralysis far, far more often when I would sleep on my back. In my youth, sleeping on my side hurt and so I was stuck constantly having sleep paralysis. I developed a Pavlovian response to sleeping which fed into an already severe insomnia.<p>I&#x27;m now a 30-year-old adult who still suffers from insomnia and constantly has nightmares about missing the bus, experiencing childhood abuse, being persecuted by police, being at school, etc. My dreams have become a window into childhood trauma where I continually get retraumatized and trigger flashbacks. However, because I often lucid dream, these dreams also afford me a chance to explore these traumas and experience control and safety in situations when I felt like I had neither. Also, I now cannot sleep on my back almost ever due to degenerative spine disease, and other chronic pains keep me up all night, so the nightmares happen a little less frequently. Silver linings.<p>I think there is so much potential in the therapeutic application of lucid dreaming and I would love to figure out a way to use my knowledge and skill with lucid dreaming to help others.
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dtkirby5 个月前
I&#x27;m surprised there&#x27;s no mention of inducing&#x2F;controlling lucid sex dreams for therapy or entertainment, but maybe I&#x27;m weirder than I thought.
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munchler5 个月前
Headline: &quot;even be induce specific dreams just for fun&quot;<p>Where are the editors? Scientific American has fallen a long way.
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latexr5 个月前
Caveat emptor. Whenever the discussion of lucid dreams comes up on HN, invariably there are reports of people who did it regularly but had to stop because apparently doing it a lot makes the dream world and reality begin to blend too much and you end up tired all the time and not sleeping well.
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kindeyoowee5 个月前
tbh some dreams be hitting more than others some are just messed up lol just a lil note to the dream police
xterminator5 个月前
Perhaps science and technology should stay out of the only remaining area of untouched human nature.
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