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Glue Work Considered Harmful

64 点作者 polyphilz5 个月前

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darth_avocado5 个月前
Glue work doesn’t get rewarded. That I agree with. However I don’t agree with the conclusion.<p>Do Glue Work for projects that you are leading, projects that you are accountable for. As a senior+ engineer that is all your projects. So should you prioritize glue work for all of them?<p>From my experience, there is a delicate balance. There’s Glue work that you need to get right every time, else risk getting fired. E.g. Technical specifications for your project. There’s glue work that you need to put on the back burner every time until it becomes a visible problem that management will appreciate you take care of. E.g tech debt, addressing strands that are getting dropped. Then there is glue work that you do to make your own life easier. E.g. Onboarding docs, demos etc.
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cyrnel5 个月前
This seems to start from the strange assumption that companies have a clear and correct understanding of what things to prioritize, and then concludes that deprioritizing glue work is actually smart.<p>Historically, companies really don&#x27;t know what they are doing, especially on issues like this. Glue work often encompasses tasks viewed as feminine and its de-emphasis hurts women&#x27;s careers (and men who happen to focus in glue work too): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@granellacamila&#x2F;a-few-months-ago-i-discovered-the-term-glue-work-8a003dbe7173" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@granellacamila&#x2F;a-few-months-ago-i-discov...</a><p>&gt; In a study published by the American Economy Review, the researchers discovered that women volunteered more than men for tasks considered glue work, hence, less promotable tasks in general. However, the researchers have also found that men waited longer to volunteer for tasks when there were women on the team. Furthermore, women were more volunteered by managers or colleagues than men. These kinds of tasks have a direct impact on women’s career development through time.<p>It took two world wars for some companies to get over their biases and actually let women join the workforce. It&#x27;s no surprise then that companies would continue to devalue glue work, even if it hurts their bottom line.
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neilv5 个月前
&gt; <i>Your job is to execute the mission of your company’s leadership.</i><p>In a large company, aren&#x27;t workers <i>incentived</i> to please their immediate manager and whatever higher metrics&#x2F;appearances they&#x27;re exposed to.<p>Neither of these guiding incentives necessarily has much to do with the mission of company leadership.<p>Isn&#x27;t the job whatever the incentives say it is?<p>Maybe the difference between incentives -- and what the author is saying is the job is -- are related to the corporate inefficiency that the author talked about? (For example, an org chart path of imperfectly aligned, imperfectly competent managers means whatever your manager values is &quot;inefficiently&quot; traceable to the mission of company leadership?)
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spookie5 个月前
This kind of perspective exemplifies how mediocre most companies become if they don&#x27;t value being a well oiled machine.<p>Someone said it here, but all engineering work is glue work. Might as well value those thinking smarter about it.
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AlotOfReading5 个月前
Another perspective is that &quot;glue work&quot; is one of the best ways you can generate outsized returns for your effort. Your own efforts scale linearly because you&#x27;re just one person. Improving <i>everyone&#x27;s</i> efforts scales multiplicatively, and compounds iteratively.
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neilv5 个月前
This is one reason that I like early startups: I can greatly influence how things are done, so that we have a high level of efficiency, <i>so that</i> we can remain on-mission.
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convolvatron5 个月前
I resent the explicit statement that as a non-leading contributor, its not in my best interest to invest in the team&#x27;s success since I won&#x27;t be personally rewarded.<p>maybe not, but if there&#x27;s anything I can do to spend my time on a functional projects that are getting real things done instead of punching the clock with people who dont care and already know that its failed, I will choose to do that. I dont care if that helps someone in some way that perhaps they dont deserve.
almosthere5 个月前
Sometimes those &quot;glue work&quot; folks start their own startups and make millions
Gravityloss5 个月前
These are just examples, and one can always nitpick, but I hope some people get something out of this.<p>If you are a competent team lead and are a technical person who understands the substance, you understand relatively well what &quot;glue&quot; is needed and is valuable for your team and the company. Then when some engineer does that glue work, you reward them! You might have the glue items as part of the normal work item management, or then not, it depends.<p>When you have retrospectives, you can always review &quot;our builds were failing 50% of the time in January but now in May, it&#x27;s only 10%, big thanks to X for fixing A!&quot;. Or it can come up in personal reviews etc.<p>You don&#x27;t forward everything to your boss or product manager to decide. They don&#x27;t review your team&#x27;s code either. But you of course have to communicate that you will have less capacity for a while to do features, since you&#x27;re working on an internal thing. Then after that the team will have more capacity for features than before.<p>This is the kind of work the team lead is expected to do, to keep the machine working. They are not doing a good job if they only follow orders and the machine stops because somebody didn&#x27;t specifically tell them to oil it. Or if the machine is destroyed because periodic maintenance was not performed.<p>It&#x27;s of course bad if the team ends up spending most of their time building fancy internal things that don&#x27;t produce value. It is tempting to end up building cool stuff. That is then the team lead&#x27;s responsibility to steer away from. It&#x27;s a balance.
scarface_745 个月前
For people who haven’t worked at BigTech and adjacent companies. They all focus on “scope”, “impact” and “dealing with ambiguity”. They state it in different ways. But it all boils down to those three at some level<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.levels.fyi&#x2F;blog&#x2F;swe-level-framework.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.levels.fyi&#x2F;blog&#x2F;swe-level-framework.html</a><p>You don’t get ahead by doing “glue work” or maintenance programming. That’s the main reason that Google has the attention span of a crack addled flea and at one point has 5 different messaging apps and cancels initiatives left and right.<p>You can’t put anything related to glue work on your promo doc.
Summerbud5 个月前
I think this article treat result as the resaon, company didn&#x27;t incentivize the &quot;Glue work&quot; is not purely they don&#x27;t want to and also &quot;They don&#x27;t know how to do that&quot;.<p>Ask ourselves, calculate one&#x27;s efficiency is already hard, how to calculate one&#x27;s effectiveness on other&#x27;s efficiency. Just like author said.<p>&gt; If individual employees are willing to lift their local team to 80% or 90% efficiency by burning their time on glue work, companies will take that free value<p>They take it for granted without really calculating the benefit. That is part of the reason why a small, gifted, and high-efficiency startup can operate and take over these giant company.<p>It all depends on what you want to achieve
xena5 个月前
My greatest gift is that I’m naturally glue. My most horrible curse is that I’m naturally glue. Sometimes I wish I could just turn it off and just do my job, but I can’t because I am just glue.<p>I’m a support build naturally, I lift others up to my level and make sure that everyone is able to do their job better. This is never rewarded, even at companies that claim to reward glue work. I don’t know what to do about it. Maybe I’m just specced to be a manager and don’t know it yet or something.<p>It’s very frustrating.
topspin5 个月前
With the possible exception of art, all work is glue work. If you believe your work isn&#x27;t glue work, you&#x27;re indulging hubris.
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wheresmycraisin5 个月前
If you&#x27;re planning on working there for 10+ years and you are well treated, do glue work. Otherwise do flashy stuff. First, you can change jobs any time to make it someone else&#x27;s problem, and second, it you can always blame the &quot;unglued&quot; code for any of your own inefficiencies&#x2F;f&#x27;ups.
tantalor5 个月前
This is called &quot;influence&quot; where I work.<p>&gt; Practical, naive engineers gravitate to this work because it’s obviously useful<p>Ha! No. Quite the opposite.
beeflet5 个月前
I thought this was gonna be about actual glue. I had to use epoxy the other day and that stuff will get you dizzy...
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rajnathani5 个月前
Was expecting it to be about adhesives, whereby with improper ventilation and isolation during glue assembly work in industrial&#x2F;prototype settings that it can be a health hazard.
mrayycombi5 个月前
I wonder how Musk&#x27;s &quot;hardcore&quot; concept intersects with this. Are hardcore coders just doing 80+ hrs of features or are they doing all the work that needs to get done?
shmerl5 个月前
<i>&gt; Are companies stupid</i><p>It doesn&#x27;t sound glamorous for product, and they don&#x27;t get the value of it most of the time.<p>And if they are deliberately against it - they are stupid indeed.
tpoacher5 个月前
&gt; Glue work<p>a.k.a non-sociopathic work
000ooo0005 个月前
&gt;The core problem is that you’re deciding for yourself what the company needs instead of doing your job. Isn’t it your job to make your team run smoother? No! Your job is to execute the mission of your company’s leadership.<p>Such a massive oversimplification. If you spend more than 8 seconds thinking about this, it&#x27;s obviously stupid.<p>&gt;first, you’re inevitably going to burn out<p>Uhh, OK? So I should bump up against inefficiency rather than fix it, so I don&#x27;t burn out? Ridiculous article. Wouldn&#x27;t be surprised if this article started life as a LinkedIn post.