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The Evaporative Cooling Effect in Social Networks (2010)

106 点作者 rzk5 个月前

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shalmanese5 个月前
Hi,<p>I&#x27;m the author of the original piece which was originally penned to warn Quora that their social software design seemed purposely designed to drive evaporative cooling. With the benefit of 15 years of hindsight, Quora has thoroughly evaporatively cooled to an extent beyond even my imagining.
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numpad05 个月前
Isn&#x27;t this model a bit outdated with prevalence of likes and retweets?<p>Users on modern social platforms optimize output to maximize favorable responses, thereby gratification. There are not really ceilings, barrier to entry, or way around the system, so it&#x27;s resistant to spams and manipulations.<p>Classical BBS systems did have this problem. It was said that a community beegins with interesting people posting interesting topics, then uninteresting people joins to read interesting topics, and ends when uninteresting people starts posting uninteresting topics.<p>What was missing was feedback signaling, and social media got past this at some point during 2010s.
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joshdavham5 个月前
This pretty much describes a lot of what I’ve experienced in online language learning communities. A large majority of my friends who eventually reached fluency in their target language ended up leaving or becoming significantly less active over time despite their success. Over time, the quantity of ‘wannabe’ language learners has generally increased and reduced the overall quality of the communities. I used to be completely anti-gatekeeping but my opinion has been slowly changing on this point.<p>It is interesting that HN still seems to be very high quality (though I haven’t been using it super duper long to truly judge). Does HN have any healthy gatekeeping mechanisms aside from its (ugly) UI to keep it high quality?
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rzk5 个月前
Previous discussion:<p><i>The Evaporative Cooling Effect in Online Communities</i> — <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=1777665">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=1777665</a> (2010, 35 comments)<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.ph&#x2F;q8DlQ" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.ph&#x2F;q8DlQ</a>
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manoweb5 个月前
This has happened on Usenet for a while, according to my experience, and for many years it has been an Eternal September <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Eternal_September" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Eternal_September</a> indeed. However, in the past few years, with many low quality users migrating to other places, and with a higher barrier to entry, good content has returned. I infer there are waves, cycles of evaporation and condensation.
nthingtohide5 个月前
I have voiced this feature request many times.<p>Why don&#x27;t social networks provide recommendation profile transfer. Sort of like stepping into someone else&#x27;s shoes. E.g. I would like to view how twitter looks like to Simon Willison. This would also make it easier for people to break through filter bubbles.
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finnh5 个月前
Doesn&#x27;t this complaint assume a strict stack-ranking of contributors, where the &quot;top&quot; person has no reason to stay and thus leaves, and then the new top does the same, etc?<p>Which is not at all how actual humans and relationships work. We each bring different value to the table, along multiple dimensions.
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UniverseHacker5 个月前
I think about this a lot- many of the online spaces I used to enjoy have been completely overrun by people that are a particular combination of mean, ignorant, and 100% sure their opinions on everything are objectively correct and final. Anyone not fitting into those 3 in the same way they do, quickly gets fed up and leaves.<p>In particular, I am not sure why people are so mean online. I try to be kind to other people even if I disagree with them, but pretty much cannot find anyplace with other people that feel the same. I feel like it is infecting me, and I am not as kind to other people as I used to be or would like to be. I probably need to just stop talking to people online entirely for my own mental health, and contribute to the evaporative cooling of the entire internet.
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kelseydh5 个月前
Similar paper that&#x27;s also fascinating, on why online communities grow more insular and rigid over time: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;researchers.westernsydney.edu.au&#x2F;en&#x2F;publications&#x2F;communal-quirks-and-circlejerks-a-taxonomy-of-processes-contribut" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;researchers.westernsydney.edu.au&#x2F;en&#x2F;publications&#x2F;com...</a><p>Full paper: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ojs.aaai.org&#x2F;index.php&#x2F;ICWSM&#x2F;article&#x2F;view&#x2F;7275&#x2F;7129" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ojs.aaai.org&#x2F;index.php&#x2F;ICWSM&#x2F;article&#x2F;view&#x2F;7275&#x2F;7129</a>