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Ask HN: Are there web-of-trust style online communities?

7 点作者 interroboink4 个月前
I have this idea that&#x27;s been rattling around my head lately, whenever I get depressed about the quantity of drek I have to wade through online. And I wonder: has anyone implemented something like this? I had a hard time finding existing projects that match it.<p>Here&#x27;s the idea:<p>We have a solid existing mechanism for digital signatures: I can publish a public key, and if I sign my communications with it (such as this post, for instance), you could be sure that only the owner of that private key could have written it.<p>I could go around collecting public keys of other people online, and I could associate some &quot;trust&quot; value with each one. I could publish my list (and sign it), and others could perhaps say &quot;I trust you, so I&#x27;ll trust the people you trust a bit as well&quot;.<p>In this way, a web of trust grows, and we could use this information to filter the crap we encounter. If someone &quot;backstabs&quot; and starts spewing adverts from their previously-trusted persona, communities could adjust their trust values to punish that behavior.<p>Basically, it&#x27;s the same thing we do in daily life, with our interpersonal relationships, just made explicit and cryptographically secure.<p>----<p>I realize there&#x27;s PGP, and it&#x27;s &quot;web of trust&quot; concept, and it&#x27;s close but not the same. As I understand it, that&#x27;s based on &quot;key signing parties&quot; where you verify that someone is who they say they are. It has a notion of <i>physical</i> identity. What I&#x27;m describing doesn&#x27;t care about that; you could have 100 anonymous online personas, and what matters is only how they behave, not what physical person they&#x27;re tied to. Also, you&#x27;d use associated trust values to rank info you see, rather than having a yes&#x2F;no verification. Also also, PGP was a UX disaster, so I&#x27;d want something much easier-to-use.<p>I realize that it could be abused (eg: witch hunts), but I don&#x27;t see it as being worse than what can happen in real life.<p>I&#x27;m also aware of things like China&#x27;s &quot;Social Credit System&quot;[1]. But that is a centralized system. What I&#x27;m describing would be controlled by each individual.<p>[1] https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Social_Credit_System

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tryauuum4 个月前
you don&#x27;t need any keys for trust, you can imagine a centralized system and &quot;trust&quot; can be expessed as &quot;adding person to your friends list&quot;. Then you the social network recommends you posts of the friends of your friends<p>what I&#x27;m trying to say, I think you don&#x27;t need public keys to organize content filtering<p>and to answer the titular question: I don&#x27;t know such a community. maybe it&#x27;s possible to use an existing social network and add extra javascript on top to filter posts based on your &quot;web of trust&quot;?
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bobbiechen4 个月前
Perhaps Lobsters? <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lobste.rs&#x2F;about#invitations" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lobste.rs&#x2F;about#invitations</a><p>&gt;The full user tree is public and each user&#x27;s profile shows who invited them. This provides some degree of accountability and helps identify voting rings.<p>For a single community like Lobsters, you don&#x27;t need the digital signatures part at all.<p>Keybase <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;keybase.io&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;keybase.io&#x2F;</a> has a feature to help you aggregate different identities&#x2F;accounts, though I&#x27;m not sure how active it is after their acquisition by Zoom in 2020.
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codingdave4 个月前
While I see the appeal of this kind of system, it also could act to silo communities towards groupthink, exacerbating the misinformation woes that have fractured our society. &quot;Trust, but verify&quot; would be an interesting mantra to try to encode into such a system to resolve that.