I failed moving my Google calendar to Proton

Google Calendar supports CalDAV, but only behind OAuth, which many clients do not support. I&#x27;ve created <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;bjesus&#x2F;oauth-hopper">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;bjesus&#x2F;oauth-hopper</a> to solve that - it takes care of the OAuth steps and provides a clean CalDAV endpoint that you can use to read and write to your calendar from almost any calendar application. In reality OAuth Hopper can be used to abstract OAuth away from any endpoint - it isn&#x27;t CalDAV specific in anyway.

A bit off topic but why are calendars so hard? I recently moved from android to apple and I&#x27;m just really impressed no one does a dedupe operation on calendars. Seriously, who works on these things? I&#x27;ll write you the regex if you really really need it but damn, if you&#x27;re going to push fancy AI on me to make my life easier at least take care of all the annoying trivial bullshit that makes my life harder.

A lot of this reads like &quot;I wish Proton Calendar wasn&#x27;t encrypted on their servers.&quot;<p>But that&#x27;s like the entire value prop of using Proton Calendar over the many other options out there, isn&#x27;t it?

Calendar is the one feature of Proton I don&#x27;t use. For my calendar, the issues caused by encryption are not worth the additional security. But I don&#x27;t want my calendar to be on Google, or some other large cloud provider, either.<p>So I ended up just self-hosting my calendar.<p>It&#x27;s pretty easy to self-host a calendar, it can be as easy as dumping a bunch of PHP files on a server and connecting to a MySQL database (e.g. using Baïkal).

Curiously, the easiest Google product to move away from is &quot;google&quot; (search):<p>I have been using DuckDuckGo for <i>years</i>, both for searching and browsing. I <i>love</i> the ability to burn the cookies after each session!<p>But I haven&#x27;t been able to replace Gmail, Calendar and Maps (which are quite good products IMO).<p>It&#x27;s quite ironic that &quot;google&quot; (search) has become one of Google&#x27;s worst products.

I&#x27;ve used Proton for like 5-6 years now, Calendar is definitely the roughest of their products. Good news there is they are rebuilding it from scratch with an initial (beta?) release scheduled for this year!

In my experience, these proprietary encrypted systems like Proton or Tutanota all have their shortcomings caused by their mandatory client software.

Yeah, unfortunately this is one of those sandpaper tradeoffs for some users with some of the Proton suite and how they approach privacy (and its consequences for you as the end user).<p>I&#x27;ve had similar bugbears with their other products which end up in me not using anything except the core mail product.<p>They seem to improve things over time, but it&#x27;s a game of patience.<p>E.g. I stopped using the Drive apps and only use it as an async backup store, because it keeps creating sync conflict files if you sync something you edit frequently (like an Obsidian vault). It also for some reason kept setting my user permissions to read only for my note files while it did this (on macOS).

I started out using Proton calendar but ended up discovering the dates are actually not encrypted, which I think is quite an oversight. Haven&#x27;t found a replacement unfortunately so it might just be the best option for the cloud. For now a local notepad calendar it is!

Another option would be to try this hydroxide patch (that i need to find time to review...):<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;emersion&#x2F;hydroxide&#x2F;pull&#x2F;282">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;emersion&#x2F;hydroxide&#x2F;pull&#x2F;282</a>

&quot;And the url did not work because my work email is private (and will stay so).&quot;<p>I have not tried this, but there is some email obfuscation feature:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;proton.me&#x2F;support&#x2F;pass-email-alias" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;proton.me&#x2F;support&#x2F;pass-email-alias</a><p>and other email obfuscation services.<p>Not sure if this would matter for something like a calendar import, as I&#x27;m sure how the traversal works.<p>Also, the author could have tried a Murena &#x2F;e&#x2F; os de-googled phone.<p>Glancing at my Murena &#x2F;e&#x2F; os &quot;App Lounge&quot; there&#x27;s dizzying number of calendar options with high privacy scores.<p>Also, doing some poking around and testing rather than going all-in on proton mail&#x27;s calendar, esp. if calendaring is so important.<p>That said I use proton mail&#x27;s calendar for everything personal and it works &quot;ok&quot; for me.

Switching from Google to Proton sounds like picking the lesser of two evils.<p>If you really want to “degoogle” you should probably go for self-hosting or getting a managed OSS product (e.g. managed Mailcow&#x2F;Sogo Hosting). Otherwise you’re just switching from one crazy billionaire to another.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mastodon.neat.computer&#x2F;@jonah&#x2F;113705526672291257" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mastodon.neat.computer&#x2F;@jonah&#x2F;113705526672291257</a>

Yeah, the calendar sidn&#x27;t transfer all my events so I would lose a big part of how I use it. I gave up for now, stuck with Google which makes me nervous, but I hear Proton is re-doing it.

Fwiw, I had a similar experience and ended up switching to Fastmail. Less private which is a shame, but still achieves degoogling

This is a function of Proton’s weird e2ee setup, which the calendar and contacts and email protocols were never designed for.<p>I self-host my own calendar, email, and contacts now.<p>You can probably do it on a raspberry pi or small NUC at home, with some port forwards over nebula&#x2F;tailscale from a $5 VPS, if you wish.