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Norepinephrine-mediated slow vasomotion drives glymphatic clearance during sleep

127 点作者 Jimmc4144 个月前

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dang4 个月前
<i>Scientists uncover how the brain washes itself during sleep</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=42644204">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=42644204</a> - Jan 2025 (273 comments)
monktastic14 个月前
For anyone else not well-versed in the lingo, I thought I&#x27;d share this Smithsonian article and attendant Reddit thread. I found them informative:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.smithsonianmag.com&#x2F;smart-news&#x2F;in-a-study-on-mice-scientists-show-how-the-brain-washes-itself-during-sleep-180985810&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.smithsonianmag.com&#x2F;smart-news&#x2F;in-a-study-on-mice...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;science&#x2F;comments&#x2F;1hyychf&#x2F;scientists_demonstrate_in_mice_how_the_brain&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;science&#x2F;comments&#x2F;1hyychf&#x2F;scientists...</a><p>&gt; The brain’s waste-removal process is “like turning on the dishwasher,” a neurologist says, but common sleep medications may harm it&quot;<p>&gt; The team then tested the impact of Zolpidem (a common sleep medication also known as Ambien or Zolpimist) on this system, and found that the norepinephrine waves during sleep decreased by 50 percent and fluid transport into the brain decreased by around 30 percent in zolpidem-treated mice. These results suggest that sleeping aids that impact norepinephrine production—which includes most sleeping aids—might harm the brain’s waste-removal system.
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Jimmc4144 个月前
key findings:<p>they discovered the brain&#x27;s waste removal during NREM sleep (the glymphatic system) is driven by rhythmic norepinephrine pulses controlling coordinated blood vessel movements.<p>*Zolpidem (Ambien) suppresses this cleaning process by interfering with norepinephrine pulses*<p>This has implications for Alzheimer&#x27;s and dementia.
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lukeplato4 个月前
Michael Edward Johnson has an interesting theory called vasocomputation with the core hypothesis:<p>&gt; vasomuscular tension stabilizes local neural patterns. A sustained thought is a pattern of vascular clenching that reduces dynamic range in nearby neurons. The thought (congealed pattern) persists until the muscle relaxes.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;opentheory.net&#x2F;2023&#x2F;07&#x2F;principles-of-vasocomputation-a-unification-of-buddhist-phenomenology-active-inference-and-physical-reflex-part-i&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;opentheory.net&#x2F;2023&#x2F;07&#x2F;principles-of-vasocomputation...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;x.com&#x2F;johnsonmxe&#x2F;status&#x2F;1863603206649208983" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;x.com&#x2F;johnsonmxe&#x2F;status&#x2F;1863603206649208983</a>
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AbstractH244 个月前
It&#x27;s interesting because I just started taking Qelbree\Viloxazine (a selective norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor), and even though I feel great I have a ton of trouble staying asleep. It seems to be a common complaint among folks talking it.<p>Before this, I took Strattera\Atomoxetine (which has the same method of action) for at least five years. And while falling asleep has long been difficult for me, staying asleep hasn&#x27;t been.<p>Not quite sure how my experience relates, but makes me wonder if either too much norepinephrine also adversely impacts sleep or if I&#x27;m sleeping more &quot;efficiently,&quot; so to speak, which is why I wake up feeling rested.<p>I don&#x27;t remember any sort of similar experience when taking Effexor about a year ago, but I don&#x27;t believe I ever reached a high enough dosage for the norepinephrine reuptake to take effect.
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rickcarlino4 个月前
Could this finding have implications for people taking medications like Atomoxetine (an SNRI prescribed for ADHD)?
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WhitneyLand4 个月前
On a related note, what are the best sleep aides as of 2025?<p>Are any of the side-effect profiles worth it?
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fredgrott4 个月前
note its not just sleep meds that harm the process....<p>taking caffeine several hours before sleep does as well as caffeine co-competes with adenosine...adenosine serves to close the hetodimer dopamine receptors...i.e. the dopamine receptors that are tied to locomotion and other things are closed due to the action of adenosine during sleep.
WhitneyLand4 个月前
They found that Ambien interferes with the natural cleaning process or removal of waste products from the brain.<p>It suggests that artificially induced sleep might not provide all the benefits of natural sleep.
no-dr-onboard4 个月前
Does anyone else read the title and only identify ~6&#x2F;9 of the words in the title here? I&#x27;ve got no clue what this is about before clicking on it.
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TheRealPomax4 个月前
&quot;[...] in lab mice&quot;, which is always an incredibly important bit to add to titles.