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Toyota reduces price of new hydrogen car with $15,000 of free fuel

33 点作者 namanyayg4 个月前

9 条评论

dagmx4 个月前
This has to be Toyota’s biggest and weirdest hang up.<p>The insistence that hydrogen cars are a viable future, and the lobbying against full BEV just feels like they’re constantly digging their heels in on something that they can’t actually prove in the market in any meaningful way.<p>The state of hydrogen refueling alone is awful. Transporting it, storing it and maintaining the stations is awful. Convenience versus electric for home charging is awful.<p>Toyota really haven’t provided a meaningful argument for why this is the best route beyond just the cost of making the BEVs
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cjbenedikt4 个月前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nrdc.org&#x2F;bio&#x2F;christian-tae&#x2F;hydrogen-safety-lets-clear-air#:~:text=Hydrogen%20safety%20standards%20have%20come%20a%20long%20way&amp;text=Years%20of%20R&amp;D%20and%20experience,decarbonize%20our%20future%20energy%20needs" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nrdc.org&#x2F;bio&#x2F;christian-tae&#x2F;hydrogen-safety-lets-...</a>.
ajb4 个月前
The funny thing is that theoretically hydrogen would be easy to deploy in the UK. We already have a gas network for methane, it wouldn&#x27;t be hard to mix in 20% hydrogen and then filter it back out at the other end (there&#x27;s an energy cost, but it&#x27;s not huge, and in any case most existing uses would not have a problem with 20% hydrogen). Which would give us the ability to deliver hydrogen relatively cheaply to any location. But it looks like EVs have too much momentum, and are likely to have a cheaper running cost anyway.
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johnea4 个月前
Wow, the Japanese auto makers are pretty frikin desperate to avoid electrification 8-(<p>It&#x27;s clear they don&#x27;t want to give up the dominance in mechanical engineering that is manifest in their internal combustion engines.<p>I just wonder why they haven&#x27;t more significantly emphasized plug-in hybrids. Just multiplying the battery capacity of a Prius, and letting it plug in would be a huge entry into low cost electrification that would still leverage their mechanical dominance in the industry (read as: greatest longevity by far).<p>What up Mr. Toyoda?
GregDavidson4 个月前
I keep hoping that the amazing engineering feats going into this boondoggle will be applied to applications where hydrogen is visble, e.g. larger vehicles.
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jmclnx4 个月前
First I think this is a promising product and I would consider this except for 2 issues:<p>1. Fueling Stations.<p>2. A more complex concern.<p>From what I understand its &quot;exhaust&quot; is water, which is great. But where I live, winters could be a big issue. These vehicles could coat the roads with thin black ice.<p>So, if true, would that mean this product would only be useful in warm climates ?
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kotaKat4 个月前
For those of you really thinking about this, here&#x27;s the current status of hydrogen fueling stations in California:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;h2-ca.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;h2-ca.com&#x2F;</a><p>Out of 65 stations in the state, only 33 currently have fuel and are known &quot;online&quot;.<p>Good luck!
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markus_zhang4 个月前
I&#x27;m not sure how safe a hydrogen car is...any insight?
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instagib4 个月前
How much copper is needed to electrify the US car industry?<p>-The mining industry is slow and long-term oriented, and can&#x27;t keep up with the increasing demand for copper.<p>-It would take more than twice as much copper to electrify the US as has been mined in all of human history up to 2018<p>-It would take decades to build new mines, and copper mining is expensive
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