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Bacteria (and their metabolites) and depression

442 点作者 Luc4 个月前

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_tariky4 个月前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;QA7qZ" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;QA7qZ</a>
alecst4 个月前
I can’t go into too much detail here, but I interrupted a severe depression by fasting for two straight weeks. It’s hard to say why it worked — my friends assume that the microbiome is implicated because of the dietary change. Plausible, but hardly a proof. This gives me at least one direction to look in.
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davedx4 个月前
Diethanolamine:<p>General description. Diethanolamine (DEA) is an amino alcohol commonly used in the preparation of soaps and surfactants, agricultural chemicals and in textile processing. It is used as an absorbent for capturing CO2. Its toxic and carcinogenic effect has been studied.<p>Diethanolamine is widely used in the preparation of diethanolamides and diethanolamine salts of long-chain fatty acids that are formulated into soaps and surfactants used in liquid laundry and dishwashing detergents, cosmetics, shampoos and hair conditioners.
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Arrekin4 个月前
Keto is the only thing that fixes my depression-like state. I discovered it doing short-term fasts and then learned about Keto. I tested it multiple times. Once I get off Keto I feel much worse within 2 weeks and after around 1 month I am at the total bottom again. Then go back to Keto, 2-3 days of suffering Keto Flu and I&#x27;m happy to live again.
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daoboy4 个月前
So is there a straightforward solution to keeping this out of our system and we just...don&#x27;t?<p>&quot;Where is this diethanolamine coming from? Well, it&#x27;s not known to be a natural part of either human or bacterial biochemistry. Instead, it is an industrial contaminant, sadly, whose ability to be incorporated (at low levels) into animal and human lipids through the apparently-not-so-picky enzyme cardiolipin synthase has been confirmed for decades now.&quot;
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talkingtab4 个月前
This is a &quot;you don&#x27;t know what you don&#x27;t know&quot; thing. This article lays out a path way for a link between a chemical that is common in our lives and depression. That pathway is a common gut bacteria. The article ends with this:<p>&quot;So taken together, there would seem to be good reason to continue to unravel the long-hypothesized inflammation&#x2F;depression connection, and particularly in regards to possible exacerbating factors such as higher levels of M. morganii infection or even higher environmental exposure to diethanolamine. We seem to have a lot to learn here!&quot;<p>diethanolamine is commonly used in liquid laundry and dish washing detergents, cosmetics, shampoos and hair conditioners. So you really don&#x27;t know if your hair conditioner, shampoo or dish washing detergent is causing you inflammation &amp; depression. Hmmm.<p>We, as in the institutions that supposedly protect consumers, work on the assumption that anything can be used and added until it is proven not safe. For example, thalidomide. We did not know it would cause deformed babies, so it was assumed to be safe.<p>Okay, so will some corporation knowingly use something that is hazardous, just to make more money. Well we have the Sackler Family and Purdue Pharma. Or you can go watch &quot;Erin Brokovitch&quot;. And you might want to watch Matix again just for fun.
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maxfurman4 个月前
So if, for the sake of argument, the findings here are correct and causal and should be acted upon, what exactly is one supposed to do about it? We&#x27;ve got the technology to detect gut bacteria but we don&#x27;t seem to have good targeted ways to affect it.
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duncancarroll4 个月前
Related to this, it&#x27;s been shown that Long Covid sufferers have low levels of circulating serotonin due to viral inflammation downregulating the gut intake of tryptophan (serotonin&#x27;s precursor) and is also (I believe) correlated with IL-6 similar to the article. [1]<p>Tryptophan is the only way your body can produce serotonin, and if you&#x27;re not getting serotonin that is a problem and can cause depression, fatigue, irritability, brain fog, brain zaps, etc.<p>The cool thing is there&#x27;s a workaround: The same paper also found that if you supplement with Hydrolyzed protein (basically pre-digested protein, you can get it off Amazon) the tryptophan variant therein uses a different cellular uptake pathway which is not downregulated. This type of tryptophan is not generally found in food, so it&#x27;s not like you could just eat a bunch of turkey instead.<p>I tried it and I&#x27;ll be damned, it worked. This is not medical advice btw, just sharing what worked for me. You have to take it very very slowly because your brain, having been serotonin-starved for years, will have a very, VERY low tolerance, so even though your body rate-limits serotonin production, even the &quot;normal&quot; amount is a big disruption and you can still induce Serotonin Syndrome if you&#x27;re not careful. I take no more than about a 1&#x2F;4 serving every other day.<p>Also, goes without saying but DO NOT combine with SSRIs &#x2F; MAOIs, or anything else that modulates serotonin.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cell.com&#x2F;cell&#x2F;fulltext&#x2F;S0092-8674(23)01034-6" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cell.com&#x2F;cell&#x2F;fulltext&#x2F;S0092-8674(23)01034-6</a>
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zabzonk4 个月前
Well, as a pathogen (god knows what is going on in our guts, or our skin, come to that) it is rare, as article says. I worked in an NHS microbiology lab in the 70s and never came across one - probably wouldn&#x27;t have known how to do so. One of our consultants might (he was obsessed with anaerobes) might have, but there are so many that might (or not) be associated with wounds that they are very hard to identify.
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Jun84 个月前
This is probably a wild (~stupid) idea but can we develop drugs to elite particular bacteria, e.g. just kill Morganella morganii, akin to Ehrlich&#x27;s magic bullet? Current approaches, I think, use antibiotics that kill a wide range of bacteria, the good with the bad.<p>How would such a thing work? Could there be enzymes specific to one species (or, at least, a family)?
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1970-01-014 个月前
Are there studies linking common antibiotics to depression?
TechDebtDevin4 个月前
Find a vegan &#x2F; natural soap store in your city. Off the Botel in Denver is great,<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;offthebottlerefills.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;offthebottlerefills.com&#x2F;</a><p>Ive switched entirely to Bathing Culture myself, an all natural soap brand.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bathingculture.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bathingculture.com&#x2F;</a>
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kvgr4 个月前
This explains why my moods gets better for couple of weeks, hwne i take some antibiotics.
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Theizestooke4 个月前
That&#x27;s interesting. I always get a bout of depression when the weather changes drastically (increase in temp, drop in pressure). I noticed that when I&#x27;m able to poop again, afterwards it starts to get better. Maybe I need to take stuff to speed up digestion?
jstanley4 个月前
&gt; it was one of the strongest causal signals in the team&#x27;s GWAS analysis (2,801 microbial taxa and 7,967,866 human genetic variants from 5,959 individuals), and it was the only one that validated (M. morganii levels versus major depression) when they went back and checked multi-year health records taken after the original microbiota samples.<p>I don&#x27;t know what any of this means, but it sounds very much like <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;xkcd.com&#x2F;882&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;xkcd.com&#x2F;882&#x2F;</a>
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Dowwie4 个月前
to access the report, click &quot;accepted version&quot; in the left-hand margin <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.repository.cam.ac.uk&#x2F;items&#x2F;9a051aa7-0fa4-46a5-8880-936e56a4cfee" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.repository.cam.ac.uk&#x2F;items&#x2F;9a051aa7-0fa4-46a5-88...</a><p>I ran the study through NotebookLLM and asked for some applied insights.<p>Prompt 1: based on the contents of the paper and logical deduction, what steps can someone take to apply the lessons learned from this study?<p>Response 1: [a little too scientific...]<p>Prompt 2: explain this in more common terms and concepts<p>Response 2:<p>Okay, here&#x27;s an explanation of the study&#x27;s findings in simpler terms:<p>This research paper explores how our genes and diet affect the community of microbes living in our gut, and how these interactions can impact our health. It&#x27;s like looking at the complex ecosystem inside us and trying to understand how different factors influence its balance. The study used a large group of people and analyzed their genes, gut microbes, diets, and health records to find these connections.<p>Here&#x27;s a breakdown of what it means and how you can think about applying it to your own life:<p>* *Your genes play a role in your gut:* Just like you inherit traits like eye color from your parents, you also inherit tendencies that affect the types of microbes that thrive in your gut. The study found many specific genes that are associated with the presence of different bacteria.<p>* *Lactose Tolerance and Gut Bacteria:* * One key gene is called *LCT*, which determines if you can digest milk sugar (lactose) as an adult. If you&#x27;re lactose intolerant (meaning your body struggles to digest lactose), and you still eat dairy, you might see more of a specific type of bacteria called <i>Bifidobacterium</i> in your gut. This is because when you are lactose intolerant the undigested lactose makes it to your colon where it becomes food for your gut bacteria, which can lead to increased <i>Bifidobacterium</i> growth. * However, just because you have more <i>Bifidobacterium</i> doesn&#x27;t necessarily mean it&#x27;s beneficial, it could mean that your body isn&#x27;t digesting lactose properly. * If you are able to digest lactose, eating dairy will not affect the amount of <i>Bifidobacterium</i> in your gut. * The study also noted that *other types of bacteria* are affected by the LCT gene, suggesting that the impact of this gene on your gut is complex and depends on your dairy intake.<p>* *Blood Type and Gut Bacteria*: Your ABO blood type, like A, B, AB, or O, also affects your gut microbes, along with your secretor status, which indicates if you secrete blood antigens in your gut mucosa. * The study suggests that people who secrete blood antigens in their gut tend to have higher levels of the bacteria <i>Faecalicatena lactaris</i>. * This bacteria also appears to be a very efficient metabolizer of these blood antigens. * This means that people with different blood types may have slightly different gut microbiomes and might need to take that into account when they make diet or lifestyle choices.<p>* *Fiber and Gut Bacteria:* Eating a lot of fiber is generally good for your gut. However, the study found that the bacteria <i>Faecalicatena lactaris</i> does not easily switch to digesting fiber. This means that even if you eat a lot of fiber, this bacteria might still prefer to feed on other things, such as secreted blood antigens. Other mucin-degrading bacteria are more likely to switch to fiber when it is available.<p>* *Gut Microbes and Mental Health*: * The study suggests that there may be a connection between a specific gut microbe called <i>Morganella</i> and depression. This highlights the *gut-brain connection*, meaning that what happens in your gut can affect your brain and your mental health. * The study also suggests that the <i>MED13L</i> gene is associated with <i>Enterococcus faecalis,</i> which may be linked to a higher risk of colorectal cancer.<p>* *What You Can Do:* * *Consider your genetics:* You can get genetic testing to see if you have some of the gene variations discussed in the study, like the one for lactose intolerance. This will help you understand how your body works and help you make dietary choices. * *Pay attention to your diet:* What you eat strongly affects your gut microbes. If you&#x27;re lactose intolerant, you may want to consider whether dairy is good for you. You might also want to consider if you should eat more fiber, and what type of fiber would best support a healthy gut. * *Be mindful of the gut-brain connection:* Keep your gut healthy as it might have an impact on your mental well-being. * *Talk to a professional:* The study is complex, so it&#x27;s best to discuss it with a doctor or a registered dietitian before making big changes to your diet or lifestyle. * *Remember that research is ongoing:* This study provides valuable information, but the authors recommend further research into several of these connections.<p>In short, this study underscores the idea that our gut is a complex ecosystem that is influenced by our genes, our diet, our blood type and a host of other factors. By understanding these interactions, we can take better care of our overall health.
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