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Our phones are killing our ability to feel sexy (2024)

237 点作者 marban4 个月前

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hnthrow903487654 个月前
The time pressures of every day life, which has gotten more complicated, are probably why we gravitate towards instant gratification more often. You don&#x27;t have the time or energy to go to the library for books on a work day, especially with a commute. Same with any other activity. Working hard to finish your work ahead of time results in more work. Innovation&#x27;s reward is not more free time, it&#x27;s more work of a different kind.<p>Blaming phones is a distraction. If it weren&#x27;t phones, we&#x27;d still be couch potatoes lazily scrolling through channels to find something to watch. The core issue is we only have time&#x2F;energy these days for our job&#x27;s work and the lazy resting which seeks instant gratification.<p>Next time someone&#x27;s unemployed, try doing nothing but social media for 8 hours a day, 7 days a week on a couch and see you&#x27;ll eventually get bored.
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nmg4 个月前
I&#x27;m surprised by the negative comments here so far that sound more indignant or &quot;called out&quot; than anything else.<p>The article&#x27;s argument is not only thoughtfully made and unusually well-written, in my opinion it&#x27;s correct. There&#x27;s nothing sexy about essentially staring at something in your hand for an hour or more every day. Smartphones provide a level of private immersion in silent, &quot;socially-flavored&quot; dopamine consumption that&#x27;s antithetical to robust, vibrant socialization. Which is decidedly not sexy.<p><i>taps add comment</i>
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dmje4 个月前
This is a tremendous piece. It rings so very true.<p>I was 18 in 1990. I&#x27;m undoutebdly rose-tinting it but it was indeed edgy and weird and loaded and cool and unknown and just basically fucking brilliant.<p>I look at my teen &#x2F; 20&#x27;s kids now and although they&#x27;re brilliant and doing rad things and out there in the world being great - they&#x27;re also slightly reserved, spoilt for choice, their generation less able to take hard knocks or deal with unknowns. It&#x27;s kinda sad I think. Here&#x27;s hoping we&#x27;ll find ways to get back to more of what&#x27;s actually real and important and well, sexy...!
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lmm4 个月前
Nah. It&#x27;s well-written but I disagree with pretty much all of it. Having a powerful tool to hand has made me more confident, happier, healthier, and yes, sexier. My relationships are better than ever (well, they took a hit when I moved internationally - but that would&#x27;ve been much worse without a phone). I don&#x27;t want to go back to having to go downtown to look up a fact at the library, or eating at terrible restaurants, or having to endure hours of tedium and pretend to like it because there was no alternative.
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VyseofArcadia4 个月前
&gt; No one feels connected, present, alive, embodied, or sexy when they’re on their phone all day.<p>I feel like the blame is misplaced. People are on their phones all day because of social media. The phone is just a convenient access point. I suspect without socials, the phone would be considered just a really handy tool [0] rather than the growing consensus that it&#x27;s some kind of social menace.<p>[0] that some nerds go too far with, like the computer
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scyzoryk_xyz4 个月前
The bit that really sticks for me here is the bit about the element of risk.<p>Takes a moment to get to that part, but this is my takeaway: feeling risk in meat space interactions stimulates our imagination about uncertain outcomes. Our devices have allowed us to back out of this feeling and into a predictable reality.<p>I can confirm this: a recent improv comedy class, which I often dread actually going to, is 15 humans with no phones compressed into an actual room. That feeling of people flirting but also having fun is palpable.
grajaganDev4 个月前
&quot;Phones used to be sexy:<p>A call from an unknown number. A little black book. Your heart pounding as you checked your answering machine. Calling someone from a payphone. Hearing someone say, “It’s for you.” This was romance.&quot;
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Imustaskforhelp4 个月前
I use a dumb phone , It had some issues with formatting of sd card , but my non technical cousin actually solved it (I had gone to his house for some other reason)<p>I am so so much thankful of him. It also humbled me , since just because I am from technical aspect in the linux &#x2F; computer doesn&#x27;t mean I know everything in android &#x2F; other aspect. I just had to format sd card (but technically it can lead to losing data and the problem was that I didn&#x27;t had 32 gb card , now I am not sure that my phone supports 64 gb card , because I tried to put it and it didn&#x27;t work but maybe I didn&#x27;t format it properly)<p>Still , that small action has lead to my phone from just being dumb to now playing audio , capturing photos and capturing videos. It has become great!<p>I feel the power of community , a sense of pure joy. And the phone&#x27;s definitely sexy.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.flipkart.com&#x2F;kechaoda-k33&#x2F;p&#x2F;itmfgptkyrquqg9a" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.flipkart.com&#x2F;kechaoda-k33&#x2F;p&#x2F;itmfgptkyrquqg9a</a><p>People love my phone , though the audio control is finnicky , it actually played music in class today once lol! , I had to lie to sir that it was my ringtone and someone called me , but crazy .
jappgar4 个月前
Always replace pronouns like &quot;You&quot; and &quot;Your&quot; in headlines with &quot;I&quot; and &quot;my&quot;.<p>Saves a lot of time.
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mplanchard4 个月前
While I agree with this article, I think the selection solely of vogue model shots and Paris Hilton’s waist from the early aughts is in poor taste. The beauty aesthetic of the time tended rather extremely towards anorexic, and the selection of images in this piece might as well say, “Remember when THIN was IN?”, which I think detracts from its overall message. It’s also a bit of a weird choice, because similar shots from today are often of equally beautiful, equally thin models and are just as sexy: that portion of media at least does not seem to have changed much. In addition, if making a more general point about standards of beauty, perhaps it would have been nice to include a photo of Brad Pitt or something? Is the implicit assumption here that only women can be sexy, or that only heterosexual men will be reading the article?<p>Like, there are literally people I’d share this article with (e.g. my wife) if not for the really poor selection of photos.
velcrovan4 个月前
People diagnosing issues as related to tech developments when they are actually rooted in lack of autonomy and leisure time, exhibit 4,861
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memhole4 个月前
I&#x27;m just waiting for missed connections to make a comeback. Reading some of those was a joy. And you couldn&#x27;t help wonder, maybe it&#x27;s me...
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drweevil4 个月前
This is spot-on. In addition to the obvious risks (privacy, security), these devices represent a tremendous opportunity cost. Think of how that life-crushed-into-an-iPad commercial resonated in all the unintended ways.
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bot3478518344 个月前
I think this blog post covers a lot of ground while not really diving deep into any of the points it tries to make. I just want to highlight a couple of them because they are particularly important to me.<p>The concept of &quot;you can desire only what you don&#x27;t have&quot; coupled with &quot;you borrow your desires&quot;. Every thought in our head comes from a previous input, a lot of the same kind of inputs will spark a lot of the same thoughts and naturally they will spawn desires. I was on a work trip last year with two of my colleagues. They are into music (I&#x27;m not) and naturally a lot of the conversations were around singing and producing. I left that trip feeling an intense desire of trying out mixing&#x2F;DJing for the first time in my life. I definitely attribute that to talking intensely about music for a few days for the most part.<p>The other one is: there&#x27;s value in being wrong and in experiencing negative things. I&#x27;m not going out seeking traumatic experiences or anything but I yearn for new experiences for a variety of reasons. Even smaller ones such as a new restaurant to try out sometimes can suck, can be a waste of time&#x2F;money but as long as the negatives aren&#x27;t that impactful I think that the small gems you find a long the way paired with the funny stories you get about the bad ones are very much worth the potential negative experiences. I often talk to people that &quot;feel stuck&quot; or on &quot;autopilot&quot; and I do think that always doing the same things over and over has diminishing returns on happiness and joy. Trying out new things I&#x27;d say is generally a good idea (common sense applies, as always).
goatherders4 个月前
This post is incredible and true and it makes me sad that most everyone I know to share it with will not appreciate it.
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ristos4 个月前
Idk, popular people and probably influencer types look cool with a phone. They look like a VIP, people are constantly texting them, it looks like they&#x27;re constantly socializing, networking, etc. Same with social media, they have like 5 million friends and it looks like a lot&#x27;s going on in their lives.<p>That&#x27;s probably the difference between how cool people use technology vs nerds or dorks. When I use my phone, it&#x27;s either to look something up, study or learn something new, read the news, or talk to my mom. I would imagine I probably don&#x27;t look cool using my phone.<p>Joking aside, I think one thing that I really don&#x27;t like about smartphones and texting entering our lives is that when you&#x27;re out for food or coffee people get on their phones, and it feels antisocial, like you can&#x27;t talk to them now without interrupting them from whatever they&#x27;re doing on their phone. In the past, I remember, if people had nothing to say, they would just sit there and look off into the distance. It all felt way more social back then, when people got together they interacted more.
danabrams4 个月前
I’m old enough to remember not having an iPhone and not feeling sexy.
ckozlowski4 个月前
Whenever I read an article like this that calls out things like &quot;[driving us] deeper and deeper into our algorithmic hell holes.&quot;, I want to scream, and shake the author by the shoulders. &quot;Snap out of it!&quot; I yell.<p>We don&#x27;t <i>have</i> to make a Twitter account. No one held a gun to our heads to get on TikTok. Instagram? Pintrest? We don&#x27;t need to join those.<p>I&#x27;m not suggesting everyone swear off all social media. I enjoy my various Discords and message boards. I enjoy reading HN. But these patterns of doomscrolling various social apps flummoxes me. &quot;TikTok is so <i>bad</i>.&quot; Well then, why did you make an account???<p>I realize there&#x27;s some devils in the details here with regards to social pressures and the like. But I don&#x27;t think they&#x27;re by any means insurmountable. And if you&#x27;re at the point that you&#x27;re going to write tens of pages on this phenomena, then ride that momentum and delete the accounts when you&#x27;re done. You&#x27;ll feel better for it.<p>All that aside, I did <i>greatly</i> enjoy the read for its retrospective on 90s and 2000s phone culture and that wonderful period of tech where we were just starting to get connected - tantalizingly so - but it was so limited and clunky that it preserved a sense of mystery. Or at least, that&#x27;s how it felt at the time.
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kurisufag4 个月前
reading someone express the idea that NEETs &quot;are robbing &#x2F;themselves&#x2F; of agency&quot; is surprisingly upsetting.<p>what is someone to do when they&#x27;ve grown up undersocialized, not in-tune enough to hang with the normals yet too prideful to debase themselves and consort with the common nerd? when they&#x27;ve no real skills, no hobbies, and (stemming from their failure to acquire any thus far) no drive to try and find some?<p>the phone is to blame, sure, but only for creating a highly-social, fast-paced civilization where everyone else is waiting to leave their fellow people behind the moment they fall out of cultural lockstep.<p>video games and pornography aren&#x27;t taking these people&#x27;s agency, they&#x27;re providing a buffer. a way for shut-ins to pass the time so they don&#x27;t up and kill themselves.
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amelius4 个月前
I don&#x27;t know about phones, but an Apple Watch looks like a very un-sexy car:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Fiat_Multipla" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Fiat_Multipla</a><p>Nothing compared to a Rolex, for instance.
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_rpxpx4 个月前
OK, this is &quot;sex in the city&quot; bloggery, but it does contain some very good &amp; important points which HN readers should attend to. Specifically to my mind: the importance of CHANCE and NOT-KNOWING to the value of experience, and happiness. To simplify: Romance necessitates <i>CHANCE</i>. A chance encounter, something improbable, strange, etc is the basis for the myth that sustains the romantic idea. Dating apps are inherently anti-romantic. Relatedly, many experiences are valuable ONLY because they are unpredictable. Adventure necessitates NOT KNOWING what is coming. Smartphones kill the spirit of adventure.
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smartmic4 个月前
We have lost the direct connection to nature, to love being an aspect of nature. Everything is channeled through our phones, leaving our embodiment mostly as empty shells without purpose. This could also be the description of zombies or cyborgs.<p>I feel sorry for the young generation that is deprived of so many real, physical impressions - or rather, I hope that they will break out of their misery and get back what they - no, everyone - needs.
chasebank4 个月前
Tim Robinson has this sketch about the phone that, on the surface, is totally ridiculous—but if you take a step back, it’s actually kind of thought-provoking. His comedy isn’t for everyone, but when he nails something, he really nails it.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;shorts&#x2F;4qi7MsXyP8E" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;shorts&#x2F;4qi7MsXyP8E</a>
anal_reactor4 个月前
My traumatic childhood killed my ability to feel sexy. My adult realization that very few people are worth my time and it&#x27;s extremely unlikely for me to find a happy relationship killed my libido.<p>Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
icameron4 个月前
“Peace.” Windows XP default wallpaper, 2001.<p>I remember the green hills being the default wallpaper. Aren’t the clouds from the setup&#x2F;PE background? (Very much like the article also)
twobitshifter4 个月前
On the sexy front, my company has marketing materials from 10 years ago showing people at a construction site interacting with their phones. The idea is that it was sexy and cool to be connected and be using technology to communicate and interact with the project. But today? It just looks like someone is goofing off on social media when they should be working.
liontwist4 个月前
The pictured inserted in the article are attractive for the nostalgia and don’t support the phone argument.
jjmarr4 个月前
&gt; Instantaneous access to everything obviously comes at a cost. The cost being that we all behave like demented Roman emperors, at once bored and deranged, summoning whatever we want at any time.<p>&gt; All over the world, an entire generation of young men, often referred to as “NEETs,” are robbing themselves of agency, drive, and romantic relationships through their addiction to video games and pornography. Video games allow a young man to experience a sort of pseudo-achievement, while pornography masquerades as love. Some of these men have seen more naked women than any king who has ever lived.<p>&gt; Many will mock their pain and their addiction, but it’s heartbreaking to think that they’ll never experience true risk, true reward, or true romance.<p>This post acknowledges that NEETs are living better than ancient Roman emperors, but laments they&#x27;re missing out on &quot;risk, reward, and romance&quot; that these ancient Romans had. What exactly is so great about risking death on the battlefield or risking food poisoning at a bad restaurant? Why <i>would</i> an average man in his early 20s want to take a risk by approaching women at one&#x27;s job or in public? Especially when you go on Tinder&#x2F;Hinge and realize just how worthless you actually are.<p>The article argues that:<p>&gt; Thoroughly exhausting ourselves intellectually and physically through productive work brings fulfillment, and with fulfillment comes peace.<p>But you can, as the article acknowledges, thoroughly exhaust yourself through video games and online vices. Achievement no longer requires risk. And the article is unable to quantify what value that risk brings beyond being inherently exciting. If this was true, why aren&#x27;t more people taking risks? It should be more fun than sitting at home all day.<p>&quot;NEET&quot; is an economic term that stands for &quot;not in education, employment, or training&quot;, because unemployment doesn&#x27;t include people that have left the labour force entirely. Self-description as a NEET is a proud admission that one does not contribute to the economy or work force; it&#x27;s a valuation of the individual over the community.<p>This article accepts that premise and argues in futility that NEETs don&#x27;t really want the lifestyle they chose. I disagree, and I&#x27;d rather we make it an explicit value of our society to reject individual freedoms that cause broader social harms.<p>If smartphone addiction is legitimately destroying society by acting as a sinkhole for human potential, we should apply legal restrictions or taxes on screen time. That would be more effective than telling someone who&#x27;s doomscrolling how they&#x27;re actually hurting themselves.
poulpy1234 个月前
Joke on you I never felt sexy
thunderbong4 个月前
&gt; Today, everyone and everything is always available, and there’s nothing less sexy than that. There’s no chase. Our phones don’t allow us time to dwell, and they don’t allow us time to yearn. Why force yourself to daydream about the guy you’re seeing when you can easily look at dozens of photographs of him online? Why walk into a store in Soho and see what’s on offer when you can stay home and scroll the entire inventory from the comfort of your couch? Why go to the library to find books about a topic that interests you when you can look it up on Wikipedia in two minutes and move on with your day?
r33b334 个月前
No, you don&#x27;t feel sexy, because you aren&#x27;t sexy.
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hulitu4 个月前
&gt; Your Phone is why you don&#x27;t feel sexy<p>Talking about phones, having pictures with humans.<p>But i agree. 20 years ago phones had a design. Now they are all coloured monolyths.
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baobun4 个月前
Thanks for sharing, this resonates. But man,<p>&gt; That said, cosmetics and aesthetic trends on TikTok are harmless fun and games compared to what’s going on in the darkest corners of the internet. All over the world, an entire generation of young men, often referred to as “NEETs,” are robbing themselves of agency, drive, and romantic relationships through their addiction to video games and pornography.<p>1. &quot;Darkest corners of the internet&quot; are playing video games and surfing porn?<p>2. Just the men and all of them, huh?<p>OP has no idea. Which OTOH solidifies their point about disconnectedness and being in distant bubbles.
pointedAt4 个月前
100 % ... noticed this when trying to find a recent butt pick of Nicola Cavani on instagram, yesterday. I do that a few times a year to collect reference for my AI powered buttbook platform. company will be rebranded to oh-mega later on. girls taking selfies and staring at their phones is unreasonably unsexy.
xyst4 个月前
The “blame {some new technology} on the downfall of society” racket is getting old.<p>People aren’t _feeling sexy_ because of the smart phone. People aren’t feeling sexy because they _lack the time_ to invest in these relationships. Technology and automation innovation of the 80s and 90s promised us shorter work weeks, stable pay, more security, better prosperity.<p>Yet labor&#x2F;workers have the opposite in this “modern” economy. A majority of people in the US are working multiple jobs just to support themselves and family. Healthcare is out of reach for many people due to the obscene price fixing scandal known as health insurance.<p>Wages for labor has stagnated since the 80-90s. While corporate profits have reached all time highs and US govt gets bent for the rich by giving them tax cuts. Subsequently, public programs and safety net programs get cut. An increasing number of _middle class workers_ are getting left behind and we have collectively done nothing about it.<p>I’ll re-iterate. The awful neoliberal economics this country’s policy is the reason why people don’t _feel sexy_ anymore. This is the true downfall of society and a once great country.
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MrMcCall4 个月前
I didn&#x27;t like my first cellphone, loaned as part of working for Nokia &gt;20ya. They are, however, excellent tools for communication and even looking something up on the web.<p>Other than that, my fam has stories of entire families at our local park walking, each on their own separate phone. It is not sad or pitiable, for their choices are theirs to make, but the effects on their psyches and eyesight are not positive.<p>As to being sexy, being able to make someone laugh and actually caring about their wellbeing such that you will actually do something to help them become happier -- those are the qualities that will attract a person to you. Everything else we do in life is mere drivel, and directing our life towards such vainglorious pursuits them will only attract other frivolous, unawake people.<p>Fill your heart with love for all human beings and the Earth, herself, and others will want to be around you, unless they are dark-hearted fools, but you don&#x27;t want to be around them, anyway.
xattt4 个月前
&gt; “Peace.” Windows XP default wallpaper, 2001<p>This is rewriting history.
deeg4 个月前
She makes some decent points but a lot of this feels like the age-old argument of &quot;$SOMETHING_NEW was fun and exciting when I was young and now it&#x27;s all turned to shit.&quot;
alabhyajindal4 个月前
Appreciate the article, but why do so many articles these days have to start with a history of the world? Do we really need to go through the years and recall the introduction of the iPhone? Do we all not know that already?<p>I hate this trend so much. It&#x27;s common in tech talks now. Recapping the entire history only to come to the main point, the title of the talk, towards the final 10 minutes. Come on.
carabiner4 个月前
Speak for yourself.
binary1324 个月前
something seriously out of whack with this
dcdevito4 个月前
I started just having my cellular Apple Watch on me 6 years ago while leaving my phone at home. When everyone around me thought I was crazy I knew I was on to something.<p>I’m doubling down on this philosophy and keeping my phone in my drawer and couldn’t be happier.
perching_aix4 个月前
&gt; Remember this the next time you fall asleep to a TikTok playing on an endless loop: one day your heart will stop beating.<p>Dogshit mental health advice of the week award goes to...<p>What a disaster of a read. The rape of the language one utterance of &#x27;sexy&#x27; at a time. At least it reset my compass on what I consider bizarre after all the LLM stuff.<p>Really hope this was not written sober, otherwise I&#x27;m fresh out of hope again. I guess OP would find that very sexy somehow though.