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NordVPN says its new protocol can circumvent VPN blockers

50 点作者 mikece3 个月前

12 条评论

netsharc3 个月前
&gt; Unfortunately, because VPNs will have many requests being sent from one server, website hosts can recognize when a VPN is being used. A constant stream of requests coming from one computer’s IP address is, of course, unusual behavior.<p>&gt; NordVPN claims to have found a way to make traffic from its service look normal, though admits that it may not always work perfectly. It also says the NordWhisper protocol may introduce more latency.<p>That reads like they&#x27;re wheel-reinventing Tor, and one fears they&#x27;d use other users&#x27; computers as exit nodes. But then again this &quot;journalist&quot; might be a too typical one, one who doesn&#x27;t know what they&#x27;re talking about.<p>And on the other side of the block, a VPN user in a suppressive regime trying to connect to a regime-known VPN server will just get a spoofed &quot;connection refused&quot; from the regime&#x27;s firewall. interestingly a P2P-system where they connect to a random home computer somewhere on the planet instead of known commercial VPN servers, plus a hard-to-detect protocol (pretend to be a game? Do games do P2P nowadays or do they always talk to a server?), might be able to get away with it.<p>Anyway, the page doesn&#x27;t give much detail either: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nordvpn.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;nordwhisper-protocol&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nordvpn.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;nordwhisper-protocol&#x2F;</a>
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edavid30013 个月前
The vpn NordVPN is backed by USA to return decryption and then decryption for the USA to turn around and send results. All PCs have SSL Decryption available via the US Government... Thus, they have all results which they can decrypt. My PC has Bitdefender that does the same thing. Install their software and view encryption. You will see the encryption is deencryption&#x2F;middle man&#x2F;reencryption.<p>Long story short, NordVPC is the USA monitoring individual suspect connections.<p>It doesn&#x27;t grab your real IP, but it does more times than is doesn&#x27;t.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dropbox.com&#x2F;scl&#x2F;fi&#x2F;ika4tc7yr0h6kikkdqc5y&#x2F;Screenshot-2025-01-30-at-9.05.28-AM.png?rlkey=hmy4eda8sbkjn0k765cdptd42&amp;st=fhlhpb3f&amp;dl=0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dropbox.com&#x2F;scl&#x2F;fi&#x2F;ika4tc7yr0h6kikkdqc5y&#x2F;Screens...</a><p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;acmenews.com&#x2F;imgtest&#x2F;scan32.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;acmenews.com&#x2F;imgtest&#x2F;scan32.html</a>
_fat_santa3 个月前
Reading the comments here, it&#x27;s clear that many have a less than favorable view of NordVPN. With that said, what VPN provider would readers here recommend? I don&#x27;t know if there is a consensus for a &quot;good VPN provider&quot; that respects privacy, etc or if they are all shitty in one way or another.
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theoreticalmal3 个月前
NordVPN probably makes more selling user data than subscriptions for its VPN service. It’s a huge scam
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tupolef3 个月前
I forgot the name but 10 years ago there was a popular free vpn extension for browsers that let each user exit by the other users ip and you could choose the location with a click.<p>But behind that free service, the model was to provide an expensive service to companies needing high frequency testing or scraping (sometime illegal) with multiple ips and locations. I got a trial for 1 week after a visio with them, it was complicated to setup, but it felt like exploiting unknowing free users.
VTimofeenko3 个月前
Is there any technical description of this protocol somewhere? Nord blog[1] (I presume, the original source) is not too heavy on details either. Granted, the company may not want to release _all_ details but quick skim of the TFA reads like it&#x27;s some form of pixie dust that will bring us to the promised land.<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nordvpn.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;nordwhisper-protocol&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nordvpn.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;nordwhisper-protocol&#x2F;</a>
clamprecht3 个月前
I wonder if it&#x27;s analagous to spread spectrum[1] with radio comms.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Spread_spectrum" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Spread_spectrum</a>
gamedever3 个月前
I really wish Apple and Google would run VPNs. Then, given their markets are so large, they couldn&#x27;t be blocked by anyone that wanted customers&#x2F;eyeballs.<p>You&#x27;d think &quot;Privacy First&quot; Apple would do this.<p>HN blocks (ghost blocks) VPNs. Make a new account from a VPN. Post. Open a private&#x2F;incognito window. Load up the thread. Your comment won&#x27;t appear. Give it few days. It never appears. It only appears for you when you&#x27;re logged in.
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acheong083 个月前
Such protocols have been used in China for a long time: v2ray, trojan, xray-core reality, etc<p>My hope is that we never have to use them in the west
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Arnt3 个月前
Sending traffic from many IPv6 addresses perhaps?
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portaouflop3 个月前
VPNs are snake oil, don’t trust a word they say
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puppycodes3 个月前
NordVPN continues to give chrome incognito vibes.