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Windows 11 – There's still nothing worth my time

98 点作者 segasaturn4 个月前

30 条评论

binarin4 个月前
For my personal computers I was actually buying Windows licenses up to and including Windows 10, but now I switched to alternative acquisition methods again, and mostly run Windows in VMs with GPU pass-through and disabled networking. Just an honest relationship - they don't respect me, I don't respect them.
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rspoerri4 个月前
The good thing about Windows 11 requiring TPM is, that's the easiest way to prevent an unintentional upgrade. Typically you can disable TPM in the bios and prevent the OS from updating itself . Which i did as soon as i heard about that requirement :-)
ryandvm4 个月前
Wild to me that a company can work on a product for twenty years, have multiple releases, and not have made any significant improvements to it beyond updated hardware support.<p>Like, y&#x27;all could just do a 25th Anniversary Edition of Windows 2000 and people would go ape shit for it.
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LorenDB4 个月前
The &quot;location override&quot; feature that the author complains about does <i>not</i> allow apps to access location even when it&#x27;s turned off. Instead, it gives apps a way to change your reported location; e.g. Remote Desktop can change your reported location to match the remote computer you&#x27;re accessing.
snozolli4 个月前
<i>The Windows 11 Explorer titlebar is always colored depression-gray</i><p>One of the most baffling aspects of modern Windows is that it&#x27;s ridiculously hard to tell at a glance which window is active. It used to be that the active window&#x27;s title bar was bright blue, and everything else was gray. These days, I have two 2560x1440 monitors, which was unimaginable back in the day, and regularly fail to identify which window is active.<p>Also, the modern Alt-Tab popup often takes two full seconds to appear on my machine. I can&#x27;t even imagine how they managed that.
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vachina4 个月前
Microsoft knows this and therefore focuses more on cloudifying all your apps, I.e. your windows Pc becomes a thin client for Microsoft hosted services, ensuring infinite revenue.<p>This is just gonna get worse with even better internet connectivity in the future, and consumers jumping on it because subscriptions requires much less cash outlay than owning hardware that runs the value generating part of the app.
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Waterluvian4 个月前
I have a legal copy of Win 11 and after very carefully scraping all the garbage off of it, I had a gaming and general use system that felt… fine I guess… for months.<p>Then last week I got a full screen “finish setting up windows” that wants me to create a Microsoft account. I have two options: “remind me in 3 days” or “continue… and if you change your mind you can’t actually go back. You have to reboot.” So every three days I get to be interrupted by this upsell.<p>&lt;long frustrated rant about what being a Big Tech engineer&#x2F;designer actually signals&gt;
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71bw4 个月前
Insane how people are still using anything other than illegitimate LTSC copies. They keep spitting in your face and you keep taking it? They are not getting a single cent from me, they can rot in hell for all I care for. Give me back my Windows 7 experience...
markus_zhang4 个月前
I&#x27;m glad Dell Refurbished only sells workstations with Windows 10 Pro. It&#x27;s not a pleasant experience but still way better than Windows 11. I wish they had Windows LTSC though.
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tannhaeuser4 个月前
One only needs to look at growth figures (Azure and OpenAI positive, Windows and Xbox negative) to understand Windows&#x27; trajectory against end users. Already Windows 10 22H2 (?), supposedly largely identical to Windows 11, has mindlessly shuffled setting dialogs and stuff around to confuse users and make switching off Windows updates (and &quot;telemetry&quot; gathering and ads) practically impossible save for disabling networking, even &quot;Pro&quot; versions. Fortunately there&#x27;s Proton&#x2F;Wine&#x2F;Steam to save gaming.<p>It didn&#x27;t have to come this far. Windows 7-10 had <i>also</i> decent bits not just intrusive disk encryption, &quot;duel&quot; boot where it prevents alternate EFI boot loaders and OSes, removing &quot;virus&quot; .exes without even telling, millions of pointless items in file explorer and start menus except the one that one actually is after, broken search, cringeworthy verboseness, ...
stuartd4 个月前
The reason for the TPM requirement (I heard, anyway) was so they could dump a decade or so’s worth of compatability fixes. Which is fine, but dropping support for Windows 10 is just gouging from organisations who require support, and potentially leaving consumers who are ‘just fine’ with their PC and Windows 10 without security fixes - [0] ‘Windows 10 will lose security support in October 2025’<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.which.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;article&#x2F;windows-10-will-lose-security-support-in-2025-aZV723o24RP9" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.which.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;article&#x2F;windows-10-will-lose-se...</a>
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Paianni4 个月前
Neither TPM 2.0 or 1.2 is required for a Server 2025 install.<p>Microsoft could easily disable the restriction is they wanted to.
Kapura4 个月前
do the people making decisions at Microsoft even use windows? it&#x27;s incredible that it&#x27;s been allowed to get this bad.
incrudible4 个月前
I hate where Microsoft is going, but there is no obvious alternative. I am not go to be paying hundreds of dollars markup for RAM&#x2F;SSDs and limiting myself to a single GPU vendor by switching to Apple. I am very hesitant to deal with desktop linux bullshit, but Windows 11 may just be the thing to push me over the edge. I know there are great people at Microsoft who know what “the right thing” is for the people who actually care about the platform, but it seems that nowadays they do not have the required ownership.
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xnorswap4 个月前
If the first thing someone does is find a way to remove Windows Defender, I&#x27;m going to assume they&#x27;re too clever for their own good.<p>Windows defender is one of the best things Microsoft did for Windows. Prior to defender, the array of vendor AV solutions was a complete shit-show. Even previously useful options got bought out by the major players and stuffed full of crap-ware.
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devinprater4 个月前
<i>sigh</i> I can&#x27;t wait for Windows to annoy blind developers enough so that they switch to Linux, and hammer it into shape for us users. Windows just has the best support for blind people. I mean it&#x27;s falling to entropy with every release, but screen readers hold things up as much as they can. Luckily even File Explorer has gotten so slow that Microsoft starts sending messages to screen readers &quot;working on it...&quot; to let us know just how inefficient Windows Maybe it won&#x27;t be too much longer.is.
dusted4 个月前
yeah, I&#x27;ve been forced onto it by corporate on my windows machine.. from an aesthetic and usability point of view, there&#x27;s only negatives.. the ui is even worse than 10, flat and featureless and ugly, looks like a bad prototype theme for gnome, 20 years ago. They somehow managed to take the utter mess that were the settings of windows 10 and redefine the word utter to a new low. I&#x27;m sure there&#x27;s some technical things in the kernel and system API that needed changing, but somehow I feel like they could have done that without changing anything that&#x27;s on the screen.. I wonder if they actually put the thought and consideration into windows user experience that they did when they designed Chicago.
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Pixelious4 个月前
Yeah, this pretty much sums up the Windows 11 experience—bloated, slow, and packed with features no one asked for. The fact that Microsoft is doubling down on hardware requirements despite clear pushback just shows how out of touch they are. TPM might have some theoretical security benefits, but for home users? Totally irrelevant.
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NotYourLawyer4 个月前
Windows 11 made me buy a Mac.
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internet_points4 个月前
Our windows pc is complaining that it&#x27;s not Windows 11, but does not have a TPM so it can&#x27;t get windows 11 anyway.<p>Is there any &quot;long term support&quot; windows or something that will have security updates after October?
slyfox1254 个月前
I went from 7 copies of Windows 11 Pro in personal use - all purchased at full price - to using none now.<p>Now they are all combinations of FreeBSD, Debian, and Endeavour.
batrat4 个月前
I stopped reading when he uninstalled defender. Is the best thing ms did to windows! OP is like the 90% of linux users: if it doesn&#x27;t do what he wants him to do, it sucks. Like you said most users don&#x27;t care about TMP, they also don&#x27;t care about who is protecting them, what interface it is, how printers work, how office works, how browsers work. This is why windows is&#x2F;was successful, you start it, open outlook, mail, browser, print, play games, etc. Without ever thinking why it works. Does windows suck? Probably, but it does the job and is enough for 99% of the home users. Also if someone wants to personalize windows check reddit, you can change almost everything.
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p_ing4 个月前
&gt; But the TPM nonsense potentially marks even rather new and ultra-powerful computers as unsuitable for the upgrade.<p>TPM has been built into processors for what... 5-7 years now? What mythical &quot;new&quot; x64 is this individual talking about?<p>When I see someone arguing against TPM, it&#x27;s fairly easy to write their argument off. They don&#x27;t understand what it&#x27;s used for or why, which is fine, but like those gamers discussing fixed page files, their opinion is just wrong.<p>&gt; There&#x27;s another piece of self-contradiction in that article - BitLocker uses TPM 2.0 for encryption key storage. Amazing, except, again, HOME users cannot even run this BitLocker thingie, even if they want.<p>The author is uninformed. Microsoft calls the Win 11 Home version &quot;Device Encryption&quot;, essentially an unconfigurable version of Bitlocker. It&#x27;s still BL under the hood.<p>&gt; ut then, when you think about it, if the system has TPM and encryption, and it&#x27;s configured in a &quot;clever&quot; way, then you can&#x27;t have this lovely freedom of deleting unnecessary stuff, now can you?<p>Author isn&#x27;t aware of dislocker. But keep on being smarmy.<p>Anyway, this article is hardly worth HN&#x27;s time.
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Steve163844 个月前
I was thinking the same thing myself - Windows 11 needs 10x more powerful hardware than, say, Win XP, but doesn&#x27;t noticeably provide any new features. Where&#x27;s all the processing power going?
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theandrewbailey4 个月前
I&#x27;ve been unimpressed with the direction that Windows has been taking for 15-ish years. Aero glass was one of the best-looking UIs ever, but it was thrown out. Windows 10 was tolerable for me, but the reports of what&#x27;s been happening in the beta channels is disturbing. Telemetry has been there for a while, and I took steps to stop it, but I despise ads (suggested&#x2F;recommended apps are practically ads). I don&#x27;t think any sane person asked for a screenshotting AI that you could ask for your credit card info. The people in charge of Windows are out of touch with what everyday people actually want from it.<p>Because Windows 10 support is ending this October, I moved to Linux 2 weeks ago, and I don&#x27;t think I&#x27;ll be back to Windows unless it turns around.
qntmfred4 个月前
I for one am quite happy with Windows these days. I started out on Windows (3.1!) switched to Mac in 2009 for over a decade and have mostly been back on Windows the last few years.<p>I had a lot more to complain about in the last few years of being a Mac user.
lousken4 个月前
&quot;It&#x27;s all here.&quot; What&#x27;s all here? The Spanish Inquisition? yes<p>...<p>Either use W10 IoT LTSC or switch to another OS entirely, it&#x27;s not like w12 will fix it, so you might as well face the inevitable today
aboardRat44 个月前
Wait until the programs you need to run only work on w11.
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eppo9994 个月前
great write up dedoimedo!
Simplestas4 个月前
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