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No Credit for Uncle Sam in creating Net? Vint Cerf disagrees

79 点作者 smd4将近 13 年前

12 条评论

cs702将近 13 年前
Why would anyone try to revise history, casting doubt on the <i>verifiable fact</i> that the U.S. government deserves credit for funding and helping create the Internet? Why would the Wall Street Journal publish this garbage?<p>Short, simplistic answer: because the mere existence of this article, published in a newspaper widely perceived as reputable, is "evidence" of debate about the government's role for all those politicians, ideologues, and other interests who want to cut government spending.
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rondon1将近 13 年前
The republicans want to frame the presidential race as Big government vs. small government. "Romney wants to let the free market fuel America's success while Obama wants the government to your money and spend it how they see fit" Obama has recently tried to point out that the success of the free market in America has been dependent on the US Government. "Someone built the road and bridges and someone educated your employees, and someone built they internet that you use. Those things were funded by tax dollars." In this editorial this guy is hoping to convince people that the government was not responsible for setting the foundation of the internet.
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nathan_long将近 13 年前
The article's focus is on the internet itself, which is the "inter-network" - the interoperation of individual networks. The first of these networks was ARPANET, which was developed by contractors by the request and under the management of ARPA (since renamed DARPA). ARPA proposed ARPANET in 1968. So the government's pioneering work in networking goes back further than this article discusses.<p>There is a complex history here; lots of people built on each other's work, inside and outside the US government and around the world. But it's silly to claim the US government gets no credit.<p>Of course, the government is always full of conflicting opinions. ARPA's funding of something so speculative and not specifically for military application had to be finessed and described in military terms to satisfy some congress members. But ARPA itself was created with the mission of advanced research after the Russians beat us into space with Sputnik, so computer networking was really quite well within its mission.<p>If anyone wants to learn more about this history, I recommend "Inventing the Internet" and "Where Wizards Stay Up Late." The former is a bit more academic and technical, but still easy to read, and the latter is a bit more focused on the people involved.
stuff4ben将近 13 年前
Key quote: "Cerf: I would happily fertilize my tomatoes with Crovitz' assertion."
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newbie12将近 13 年前
A little funding for basic computer science research is not big government. Bailing out banks and giving private solar companies loans is big government.
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chris_wot将近 13 年前
Wow. Crovitz says that Ethernet was invented to "link different computer networks". How embarrassing for his argument!
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nateabele将近 13 年前
Here's the thing about this entire debate: who gives a fuck?<p>Yes, the government, the private sector, and academia (which is funded by both government and the private sector) all had a hand in developing the technologies that collectively comprise what we know today as the internet.<p>But this debate isn't really about the internet. It's about the role of government and what constitutes a fair tax rate, which are two separate but related questions.<p>When Obama talks about roads and bridges, or public education, or the internet, or whatever, what he's really saying is 'see all this awesome stuff government has done for you? You really owe us more money.'<p>That might <i>not</i> be complete and utter bullshit if (a) government actually spent more than a tiny fraction of its revenue on those things and (b) if it wasn't an abject failure at everything else.<p>Instead, the large majority of government spending goes to wars of aggression, debt service (aka extortion payments to major banks, or embezzlement, depending on how you look at it), and Social Security. As we know from the Bush Sr. era, Social Security is completely fucked. Much like the briefcase full of IOUs at the end of Dumb &#38; Dumber, there isn't a single, actual dime in the program, because Congress has borrowed against every last one.<p>Which brings us to the fundamental stupidity of what Obama's suggesting. And, seriously? We should give these people <i>more</i> money? Fuck <i>you</i>, sir.
TheGateKeeper将近 13 年前
WSJ should be embarrassed and fire that writer.<p>Getting basic tenets of history wrong and misleading millions? What a sham.
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defen将近 13 年前
This just goes to show that the Republicans are the Stupid Party. They should be embracing this! The Internet is but one of the many wonderful fruits of the military-industrial complex. Who was President when the Internet was created? Nixon/Ford! None of this would have been possible without close collaboration between the military and private industry, so we should give more public money to both of them.
stox将近 13 年前
Personally, I believe that the Internet, as we know it, is a product of the ARPANET, the BBS communities, the UUCP communities, and the divestiture of AT&#38;T.
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russell将近 13 年前
And Al Gore invented the internet. Seriously, he sponsored the legislation that set up and funded the internet as a separate entity from NSFNET and (D)ARPANET. More government meddling that benefited no-one.
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robomartin将近 13 年前
From the article:<p><i>The U.S. government, including ARPA, NSF, DOE, NASA among others absolutely facilitated, underwrote, and pioneered the development of the Internet. The private sector engaged around 12 years into the program (about 1984-85) and was very much involved in powering the spread of the system. But none of this would have happened without this research support.</i><p>I have great faith in the human ability to trench forward and evolve solutions to problems as well as innovate. This also leads to a belief that if person A does not invent or discover something then B, or C, or D eventually will invent or discover that same thing. Proof of this exists across many fields where nearly simultaneous discoveries or developments happened across the globe (powered flight?).<p>It is clear that the interconnected network of computers that ultimately became the consumer Internet had its roots in a number of government-sponsored programs.<p>At the same time, interconnected networks of USERS had already existed for quite some time. Examples of this were Compuserve and AOL, the myriad of BBS providers across the world and services like Minitel in France.<p>It was this existing audience that provided the early adopters that made the Internet take off as a commercial product. Government couldn't have done that.<p>More to the point: The US Government couldn't have made the Internet a commercial success available in every home and every city of the world. It was entrepreneurial drive across the globe that made this happen. If the US Government had kept control of it all it would have remained at a level and a scale not useful to anyone but a few literally well-connected sites.<p>So, yes, kudos for letting go. Here's a perfect example of government getting the hell out of the way to see private enterprise take something well beyond anyone's imagination.<p>I wish they'd do that with a myriad of other areas that government touches that would do far better in private hands.<p>The Internet is a massive example of why government should not be involved in our activities beyond a very basic level. We can do a far better job.<p>Getting back to the invention and discovery issue. I have no doubt that the Internet would have been developed privately if the government had not had any involvement whatsoever. It would have been different, or not, but the human drive to innovate and invent coupled with the equally powerful drive to connect, share and explore would have made it happen. It really isn't too far of a stretch to see that BBS systems would have sought to create more efficient and scalable topologies to reach and service more people. And, as computers and technology evolved this would have pushed the need for speed in order to provide media services.