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To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

457 点作者 lleims3 个月前

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tobyhinloopen3 个月前
I had similar experiences with a modern Volvo. (XC40 T8 EV). Modern cars seem to be absolutely terrible.<p>It&#x27;s like all those Single Page Applications on the web that are just downgrades over the classic Server-Side Rendered apps. Sure, you have more features, but at what cost? Reliability.<p>I think the last generations of cars before the touch buttons and screens were the last &quot;okay&quot; generation. Somewhere in 2010s, all cars were converted to be &quot;smart cars&quot;, and they are all terrible. Who walks into a BMW dealer and sits down, surrounded by how many displays, and think: Wow! That&#x27;s neat! And then you go to drive and it just notifications, beeps and boops.<p>I just want a luxury car that is grand, silent, feels nice, is nice to drive, and doesn&#x27;t blast my eyes with screens.<p>I once connected my Volvo to pull a trailer. First, it reminds me to update the software. I click it away. It then gave me 2 notifications about some assist features not working and rear warning not working or something, idk. It also occasionally reminded the child locks are enabled, which I do not need reminders about. Then it is cold, so you get a cold weather warning. And then the windows are a bit wet because I didn&#x27;t clear the camera properly from ice, so you get a warning about the cruise control not working. So 10 minutes in, I had received 6 notifications from my CAR! I didn&#x27;t even use cruise control, I just wanted to pull my trailer a short distance. And some of these notifications block the navigation and require interaction to close. While driving!
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ps3 个月前
I have owned Model S since 2018, now driving my second one (Raven). The first one was just poor manufacturing Tesla has been known for forever. Second one is however the disaster. So many sounds while turning the steering wheel, driving on tiny slopes, braking etc. forced me to convince the service center to replace the suspension, arms &amp; half-shafts (all under warranty). None of these steps helped, service center proposed to try another service center &quot;where there may have more experience&quot; and called the squeaking the feature of the vehicle. I visited 3rd party garage, got more information about possible sources and concluded it is probably impossible to fix it. So here I am, driving the $80k car that squeaks like 30 years old rusty Ford, attracting attention at the parking lots. Won&#x27;t be buying a next one for sure.
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musikele3 个月前
Let&#x27;s remove Musk from the equation, because you can like or (most probably) hate him, but I own a Tesla and I have the opposite experience. Everything worked out of the box. Just one piece of hardware started to fail (the charger plug making some noise) and they changed it in warranty.<p>First: has the author tried a tesla before buying one? I&#x27;d never buy a car without trying it. Because comparing it to a Clio just because the Clio worked, well, seems a bit off. a Clio is a car, a fully functional Tesla is a gian iPad with wheels. There&#x27;s a huge difference.<p>Second: when you buy a car, do you ask yourself, how will I fix it in case anything goes wrong? Buying a car in a country where there&#x27;s no service is a huge no-no.<p>Third: No doubt that a car with all these defects _must_ be changed, or fixed immediately at no cost of transportation, or offered a compensation to get it back. I think the owner should _also_ contact a lawyer and try to get a refund. I&#x27;d not accept this kind of treatment.
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torginus3 个月前
The safest bet in EVs is to buy one from the Korean manufacturers - they have the tech figured out (and have had it for a few years), they make everything from &#x27;car but electric&#x27; to &#x27;Jetsons spaceship&#x27;, they&#x27;re reasonably priced, they have cheap and abundant parts, have mechanics who know how to work on them, and they don&#x27;t have an &#x27;X&#x27; factor CEO.
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supermatt3 个月前
Stop wasting your time waiting on tesla. It is in their interests to delay you as much as possible.<p>Contact ECC-NET and ask for advice on next steps: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;commission.europa.eu&#x2F;live-work-travel-eu&#x2F;consumer-rights-and-complaints&#x2F;resolve-your-consumer-complaint&#x2F;european-consumer-centres-network-ecc-net_en" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;commission.europa.eu&#x2F;live-work-travel-eu&#x2F;consumer-ri...</a>
bschwindHN3 个月前
I&#x27;ve lived in Japan for the past 10 years, where I didn&#x27;t own a car the entire time. A year ago I moved to a place where a car is more or less needed. I bought a used 2015 kei car for around $2800 cash. It&#x27;s awesome.<p>There are zero screens, touch or not (not counting the instrument displays). Everything is operated with the old buttons and dials, though the windows are electrically operated. It has a 3.5mm stereo input and a USB port (which supports USB audio). I haven&#x27;t measured exactly but its fuel efficiency is fantastic, probably 70 mpg or more.<p>It has very common parts and can be serviced basically anywhere in the country. I see tons of the same car on the road everywhere.<p>Downsides of course are the engine is fairly weak, and it&#x27;s not as safe in an accident compared to bigger cars. But if you&#x27;re driving in a country where everyone else is driving small cars, that&#x27;s less of a concern.<p>I don&#x27;t know what the point of writing all that was, but I&#x27;m just glad to not be in the same car situation as the OP. It doesn&#x27;t have to be that way!
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lleims3 个月前
There&#x27;s two updates to the original post:<p>- All my communications with the Budapest Service Center: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.myteslaexperience.com&#x2F;2025-02-04&#x2F;all-my-communications-with-the-budapest-service-center" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.myteslaexperience.com&#x2F;2025-02-04&#x2F;all-my-communic...</a><p>- How to spit in a customer&#x27;s face: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.myteslaexperience.com&#x2F;2025-02-07&#x2F;how-to-spit-in-a-customers-face" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.myteslaexperience.com&#x2F;2025-02-07&#x2F;how-to-spit-in-...</a>
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karel-3d3 个月前
To sum the article:<p>* they sold him a broken car in December, that keeps losing battery 8% per day even when standing out doing nothing<p>* they told him they could repair it, at the end of February, because of high demand for the part<p>* he cannot now go to holiday peacefully and has to charge it nonstop<p>* he doesn&#x27;t consider the car safe to drive it all the way to the service center, because it basically doesn&#x27;t work<p>* the customer support is ignoring him<p>Sounds like a nightmare alright. If I was him I would start getting lawyers&#x2F;customer rights groups involved.
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ddalex3 个月前
I&#x27;m sorry to have to say this, but buying a Tesla in 2024 is a terrible choice - the car is horrible to drive, not to mention customer satisfaction, reliability and ethical concerns.<p>Hyundai and Polestar are way better electric options that are actually enjoyable and comfortable to drive
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huijzer3 个月前
&gt; On Sunday December 1, when I got home, I tried to update the Operating System again. No luck. Same problem again, the download hung halfway.<p>This is a common problem. I also have a severe dislike of the Tesla updating process. I have the feeling that it&#x27;s made for people who have a garage with 24&#x2F;7 wifi. Without that, you&#x27;re out of luck. In Okt and Dec of last year I have spent 4 hours per month on updating. This is with a 2020 Model 3.<p>The solution by the way for this problem is probably to go into the service mode and reinstall the software [1]. It will give some nasty warnings but it should work. I tested it myself once and for me it worked.<p>Another note:<p>&gt; But this is Tesla, and it seems like no one is behind the wheel.<p>Yes that&#x27;s true. It&#x27;s very hard to get support and I also have some gripes about how some serious problems are not fixed. Tesla does have amazing online manuals though so that does alleviate the situation a bit. Also, if I need service I learned it&#x27;s best to just walk into the service centre and ask there. They are very reasonable then. Just don&#x27;t try any digital way. There is no point.<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;TeslaLounge&#x2F;comments&#x2F;x00cbj&#x2F;comment&#x2F;im9nt9d" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;TeslaLounge&#x2F;comments&#x2F;x00cbj&#x2F;comment...</a>
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lnsru3 个月前
I stoped reading when the writer admitted, that he bought a Tesla in a country without official dealership. Common sense tells me not to do this. That’s the situation when EU consumer laws start failing. That’s very brave, but not clever move at all!!! Having service center 300 miles away is too far. It’s not lot of statistics, but I know cases where guys needed replacement parts before new other brand car reached 5000 miles. Importing car can go well, but can go horribly wrong as it’s written in the article. Especially when Tesla is known for being rather young car brand with varying car quality.
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jug3 个月前
I&#x27;ve seen lots of reports in Sweden where the climate control stops working when it&#x27;s too cold. It&#x27;s funny to read posts in a thread where they post every winter like clockwork. Of course, if you&#x27;re subject to this, Tesla is unable to fix the problem.<p>Overall, this seems like a car brand with many pitfalls and &quot;special&quot; service culture. Together with the CEO radicalizing himself, I don&#x27;t see any particular reason to buy them.
viraptor3 个月前
How can we help people not get into those situations? At this point it&#x27;s trivial to find information like: if you buy Tesla you&#x27;ve got a decent chance of issues; if you use PayPal as a seller there&#x27;s a decent chance they&#x27;ll take your money; if you use godaddy there&#x27;s a chance they&#x27;ll steal&#x2F;ransom your domain on expiry; etc. It&#x27;s all out there, yet people still give them money. How can this be stopped in the first place?
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TrackerFF3 个月前
A colleague of mine bought a Model 3, which he has mostly been happy with.<p>But, since there aren&#x27;t any dealerships &#x2F; service points anywhere close, he has to drive 12 hours to the closest one. He got some error, I think it was the tire pressure sensors&#x2F;tire pressure monitoring system, and had to drive 12 hours, sleep in hotel, and drive 12 hours back, to get that error fixed.<p>Two days after he comes back home, a new error with the AC pops up. Back on the road.<p>Local 3rd party techs can&#x27;t do anything with it anyway. And since it was still under warranty, that&#x27;s what he had to do. With that said, from what I&#x27;ve heard, they&#x27;ve increased their traveling &#x2F; touring techs that will visit rural towns.<p>Hell, even repairing my 14 year old Audi is 50% mechanical work, and 50% knowing how to use the diagnosis &#x2F; VCDS tool. I&#x27;m not even joking when I say that my electrical engineering and programming background has helped me more with fixing my car, than the mechanical skills I picked up in the garage. ¨<p>With very modern cars, there&#x27;s just little one can do.
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bflesch3 个月前
The 8% battery loss per day comes from sentry mode. It&#x27;s draining your battery like crazy.
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AndrewDavis3 个月前
I&#x27;ve been contemplating buying a new car. BYD are a popular brand for electric cars in Australia. A single titbit in a review turned me off[1].<p>&gt; To start with, the Dolphin falls victim to a speed limit warning system with no tolerance and a chiding beep that will quickly drive you insane.<p>The car has cameras to read speed signs and if it detects you are speeding beep at you. Sounds like a great feature! What&#x27;s the problem if you aren&#x27;t speeding?<p>&gt; To make matters worse, the Dolphin is equipped with equally flawed traffic sign recognition technology that takes all speed limit signs at face value, ignoring the time stipulations common in school zones and busy shopping hubs.<p>Oh ... we have some speed signs that have time qualifiers, eg lower speeds around schools near start and end of school, or busy shops etc.<p>&gt; It’s one thing to have a car bother you for breaking the speed limit, but another altogether for a car to unnecessarily distract you during safe, lawful driving. Rant over… for now.<p>&gt; You can switch the system off, just not permanently. Settings revert to their default state every time you switch the car off, so setting up ADAS becomes a time-consuming daily ritual.<p>Absence of a feature is often far superior to a broken one.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.carexpert.com.au&#x2F;car-reviews&#x2F;2025-byd-dolphin-review" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.carexpert.com.au&#x2F;car-reviews&#x2F;2025-byd-dolphin-re...</a>
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60Vhipx7b4JL3 个月前
E.g. the emergency braking is mandatory for new cars; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.europarl.europa.eu&#x2F;news&#x2F;en&#x2F;press-room&#x2F;20190410IPR37528&#x2F;parliament-approves-eu-rules-requiring-life-saving-technologies-in-vehicles" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.europarl.europa.eu&#x2F;news&#x2F;en&#x2F;press-room&#x2F;20190410IP...</a><p>Could this mean you could get problems as this car does not conform to the standard?<p>It also does not conform to the reference cars which were used to acquire the type approval.
anovikov3 个月前
8% per day is like a continuous 250W draw. I think you can use a thermal camera to see where it happens :) like that&#x27;s a lot.<p>Owned a Model 3 since August 2023, didn&#x27;t have any issues with it yet apart from those in place from the very beginning (left rear view mirror sometimes won&#x27;t unfold or will but only partially, it takes a few cycles to get it to unfold fully, plus another small one that probably depended on use pattern and when mine adapted i can&#x27;t reproduce it anymore).
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timvdalen3 个月前
Small nitpick, but Tilburg is not in Holland. It is in The Netherlands though!
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buyucu3 个月前
if you are trying to but a tesla, then you have only yourself to blame when something goes wrong.<p>tesla is (in)famous for customer service and quality issues.
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yreg3 个月前
&gt; when you live in a European country where there is no Tesla you have to import your car from Holland (See NOTE).<p>&gt; I estimate that the total import costs were slightly over 2000 EUR.<p>I live in Slovakia and bought a Model 3 in Slovenia. I rented transport plates in Slovakia, took a train to Ljubljana, stayed overnight, took delivery of the car in the morning and drove back to Slovakia.<p>It cost me maybe 150€ and I got a pleasant trip out of it. The car price in Slovenia was ~5k lower than Slovakia back then.
sgt3 个月前
If Elon wasn&#x27;t so busy talking crap on Twitter all day long, he could maybe pick up on stories like these if it went viral, and get something done. This is unacceptable. Teslas, in principle, are great cars.
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SebFender3 个月前
Older fox here - I&#x27;ve owned many cars and a similar situation happened to me with a Mazda 15 years ago - shit happens in life.<p>Save you sanity - call a lawyer and have them discuss the situation with Tesla.<p>That&#x27;s what I did with Mazda and around a month later things were solved.<p>Stop sending emails and calling people at the company- they don&#x27;t care - call a lawyer and save your sanity.
psychoslave3 个月前
So that’s how you create efficiency I guess: invest big in the seducing speech showing all the shiny gadgets and disregard all these stupid cost-centers such as customer care.
caseyy3 个月前
If you find yourself in a situation like this in the EU, where consumer protection is strong, you should talk to the consumer rights office in the country where you bought the item, or where you were when signing the sale contract.<p>First, they will tell you how to complain to the company - what specific terms to use, and how long they have to respond and to resolve your matter.<p>Second, if you don&#x27;t get a proper resolution, they will advise you how to sue the seller. You will usually have law on your side by that point, so there is almost no way the seller can weasel out.<p>Third, the consumer rights office you talk to might have contacts for expert investigators who can act as a third party in your court case. They will provide a written statement to the effect of &quot;this is what happened, this is the law, the buyer can demand this remedy&quot;.<p>Finally, the seller will likely settle out of court, because you&#x27;re not the first customer they abused and they already know how these things go. In the EU, you will often get either a replacement of the item, or a full refund, or sometimes you might get to choose. That is the bare minimum, you can also demand that they pay your court costs in most EU countries, and some compensation for loss of income, cancelled holidays, and other such things. Depending on how strong your negotiating position is, you will get some of these things.<p>If you have a website about how bad the product is and you are willing to take it down or write about reaching a satisfactory conclusion after negotiations with the seller, your negotiating position is very strong.<p>The consumer rights office will tell you all this process and it will vary a little bit. But it&#x27;s important to do this relatively without delay, there is no point in dealing with unresponsive customer service. You need to tell them the right things by law and they will be forced to respond or to face the lawsuit. An abusive company will not respond out of good will, without compelling them to, you are just wasting time.<p>In Holland, the consumer rights office is the ACM.
hnburnsy3 个月前
The EU Consumer Sales and Guarantees Directive is designed to protect consumers when they purchase goods, including new cars. Here are some key points about the directive as it relates to new car purchases:<p><pre><code> Legal Guarantee: Consumers are entitled to a minimum two-year legal guarantee for new cars. This means that if the car has a defect or does not conform to the contract, the consumer has the right to have it repaired or replaced at no cost. Presumption of Defects: If a defect is discovered within the first six months after purchase, it is presumed to have existed at the time of delivery. This shifts the burden of proof to the seller, who must demonstrate that the defect was not present when the car was sold. Repair or Replacement: Consumers can choose between having the car repaired or replaced. If neither option is feasible or if the seller fails to act within a reasonable time, the consumer may be entitled to a price reduction or a full refund. Additional Rights: The directive does not limit consumers&#x27; rights to additional warranties or guarantees offered by manufacturers or dealers. Consumers can still benefit from any extended warranties that may be provided. Cross-Border Purchases: The directive also applies to cross-border purchases within the EU, ensuring that consumers have the same level of protection regardless of where they buy their car. Enforcement: Member states are responsible for enforcing the directive, and consumers can seek redress through national consumer protection authorities if their rights are violated.</code></pre>
bstsb3 个月前
i&#x27;ve been lucky with my model Y purchase in that there have been no issues with the car itself so far. i would certainly never buy a tesla again, however.
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ta12433 个月前
A 20 year old Clio costs €6,600? Seems somewhat steep - I&#x27;d expect nearer to €660!<p>I&#x27;m not sure why he&#x27;s got problems returning, I&#x27;d expect Dutch consumer protection laws to make this an open and shut case.
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dignick3 个月前
I bought a model Y in ‘22. I had some initial problems like a creaky back seat and the floor popping like a jam lid, but after a few service visits those were resolved and since it has been very reliable and even gained nice new features like matrix headlights which avoid oncoming vehicles. It’s a great car to drive.<p>However, when it received the holiday update with Apple Watch support, and I paired my watch, it started losing several % charge every day. I contacted service who told me to reset my password, which effectively disconnects all connected devices from your account. That solved it. Then I paired my watch again, same problem.<p>In the next update, Tesla fixed it. And in the next update, it automatically paired your watch without asking. Brave&#x2F;risky of them, given the previous issues.<p>My biggest concern for this car now, other than getting abuse for owning a Tesla or the brakes rusting up [1], is Tesla releasing a software update that breaks something, possibly dangerously. With Musk’s recent behaviour I wouldn’t be surprised if talented engineers are leaving or considering it, perhaps excluding Musk’s favoured h1b employees…<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.carscoops.com&#x2F;2024&#x2F;11&#x2F;tesla-model-3-comes-bottom-in-german-tuv-reliability-test-again&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.carscoops.com&#x2F;2024&#x2F;11&#x2F;tesla-model-3-comes-bottom...</a>
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postmeta3 个月前
the Tesla Owners of Slovakia group would be glad to help I bet: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;x.com&#x2F;teslaslovakia" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;x.com&#x2F;teslaslovakia</a>
fho3 个月前
&gt; It is the electric car with the lowest consumption (12.5 kW &#x2F; 100 km)<p>That is actually one of my pet peeves ... some basic math gives you:<p>12.5 kWh&#x2F;100km * 0.4-0.8 €&#x2F;kW = 5-10 €&#x2F;100km [1] 12.5 kWh&#x2F;100km * 393g CO2eq&#x2F;kWh = 4.913 kg&#x2F;100km [2]<p>Now compare that to the Toyota Corolla (Hybrid) that he originally looked at:<p>4.5 l&#x2F;100km * 1.6-1.8 €&#x2F;l = 7-8 €&#x2F;100km [3] 4.5 l&#x2F;100km * 2.237 kg&#x2F;l = 10.7 kg&#x2F;100km<p>There are some assumptions that tilt this calculations into the EVs favor though:<p>1. Charging is never 100% efficient, more likely around 90%. 2. That number is based on E5 fuel, E10 takes some of that off as well. 3. 12.5 kWh&#x2F;100km is what is given by Tesla, independent tests e.g. by ADAC (German Car &quot;Club&quot;) cites 17.2 kWh or 18.6 kWh.<p>So overall the numbers shift a lot towards the hybrid:<p>(18.6&#x2F;0.9) kWh&#x2F;100km * 0.4-0.8 €&#x2F;kWh = 8-17 €&#x2F;100km<p>(assuming 90% charging efficiency)<p>---<p>[1] Common price for electricity in German households, better if you have solar, much worse if you have to buy for 0.6-0.8 €&#x2F;kW at public chargers. [2] Based on CO2 emmisions in Germany, averaged over a year <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;app.electricitymaps.com&#x2F;zone&#x2F;DE&#x2F;12mo&#x2F;monthly" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;app.electricitymaps.com&#x2F;zone&#x2F;DE&#x2F;12mo&#x2F;monthly</a> ... better in summer (solar), worse in winter (coal). [3] High price for E10 in Germany, more likely 1.6-1.7€&#x2F;l
Zanfa3 个月前
Putting aside the ethics of buying a Tesla in 2024, who buys a car brand legendary for unreliability and ridiculously long service times in a country that doesn&#x27;t even have a dealership? Some people like to live dangerously.
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dtquad3 个月前
We need the EV revolution to save the climate but we were also promised that EVs would have less defects and be more maintainable than traditional ICE cars.<p>But it turns out Teslas and Chinese EVs are among the worst performing in the mandatory periodic inspections in many European countries. This is not because of some anti-US&#x2F;China bias in European car inspections because Ford (US) and Volvo (China) are doing well.<p>What happened to EV reliability and maintainability?
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csbbbb3 个月前
I am so glad I rented a Tesla as a stunt for a friend’s wedding. After the sun set and the temperature dropped into the mid 40s (F) with high humidity, the touch screen practically stopped working. We were lucky we didn’t get stranded.<p>Zipping to 60 mph on the highway in 3 seconds was fun a couple times, but I would never own one. Especially if one guy could just delete my car if he decides he doesn’t like me.
gambiting3 个月前
&quot;Since the cameras were not working, the automatic windshield wipers did not work either.&quot;<p>Just tells you about the brilliance of Tesla cars.
FeloniousHam3 个月前
Counterpoint: 25K on 2024 Model 3 purchased new, no maintenance, no problems.<p>Lack of mechanical fallbacks for many of the screen functions is a (distant) concern, but doesn&#x27;t keep me up at night.<p>Re: @tobyhinloopen&#x27;s complaints about nags: could not agree more. Tesla doesn&#x27;t have any, but my friend&#x27;s ICE vehicle is crazy full of them.
kazinator3 个月前
&gt; <i>Upon returning from China, at the end of 2023, my wife and I went to live in Slovakia, where she is from.</i><p>She should then know that &quot;Tesla&quot; stands for &quot;technicky slabé&quot; (technically weak).<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Tesla_a.s" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Tesla_a.s</a>.
maelito3 个月前
Checkout the new Renault 5, or &quot;R5&quot; review. It&#x27;s a legendary French car revisited.
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lawgimenez3 个月前
I’m currently driving a 20-year old Honda, I wonder if Tesla can last the same amount of time.
misja1113 个月前
Tesla sales are plummeting all over the world currently, also in the US. But with Musk in the US government, I wonder how long it will take before there will be tariffs on foreign cars big enough to pretty much force US citizens to buy his Tesla&#x27;s.
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t435623 个月前
That company is known for having patchy quality and difficult service. As usual the &quot;best car&quot; depends on what aspects of a car you value and how it fits your journeys. If you&#x27;re thinking about &quot;best&quot; as a general thing rather than about how it fits you personally then you&#x27;re buying based on status. Right now that status is probably very negative - radioactive even.<p>As for volume of cars sold in Europe I&#x27;d bet the ID series is by far the most common with the underlying platform being the same in many models. That means if you&#x27;re in trouble about some issue you&#x27;re not going to be lonely.
ruicraveiro3 个月前
In October 2024 you already knew who Musk was and you still contributed with money to the cause. His power derives mainly from Tesla sales and he was already using it to support the president of Project 2025, but much much worse, he is now supporting the German AfD. Their eventual victory would have a deeply negative impact in the EU. When people don’t consider the preservation of democracy in their purchasing decisions it means they don’t cherish it enough.
bitsoda3 个月前
More and more I&#x27;m convinced that buying my Honda Accord 11 years ago was one of my better life decisions so as not to have to deal with the BS that is the modern automobile. I do wish it had CarPlay, but the phone mount is a good trade-off if it means I get a reliable car with physical controls.
nedt3 个月前
All of that is happening in the EU. Don&#x27;t you just have the warranty were they either fix it (which they don&#x27;t) or exchange with a new car that doesn&#x27;t have the issue or you return the car and get the money back. After all the defect was known an existed by the time you were buying it. Doesn&#x27;t make sense to waste time.
f90604c2fc3 个月前
If I were you I&#x27;d insist on getting the car updated before anything. When you say the update gets stuck its actually not stuck but unpacking the huge firmware archive. You need to give it some time and preferablly keep it connected to a wifi so that after it unpacks part 1 it continues with downloading the rest of the parts.
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freetanga3 个月前
In the meantime, the self declared founder (who is not), genius (who is not), self-made man (who is not) is busy playing video games, sharing random crap on Xitter, and trying to break a goverment he was not elected to run in a country where he is a foreign alien.<p>Shareholders must be thrilled!
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acd10j3 个月前
Wow, this is a truly terrible experience and a disgraceful display of customer service. Not picking up phones and not responding to customers is unacceptable and will undoubtedly deter many potential buyers from ever purchasing a Tesla.
rsynnott3 个月前
I’d wonder if they’ve talked to the Dutch consumer protection people (who I think would have jurisdiction in this sort of in-EU cross border selling). Leaving someone with a broken car for 3 months seems obviously absurd.
9999000009993 个月前
I can&#x27;t feel sorry for this person.<p>First, luxury cars are known to have more maintenance issues than working class cars. The idea is you should have the means to own a secondary car, or just pay for fixes. To have so many problems within a few weeks is absurd, but this is pretty on brand for Tesla.<p>I was joking with a Kia salesman the other day, British cars will say mate I haven&#x27;t gotten my oil change recently, I think I&#x27;ll take a nap on the side of the road.<p>Asian cars will endure endless abuse and still run.<p>You literally get the opposite of what you pay for with cars.<p>I don&#x27;t really want to buy a car right now, but I&#x27;m going with an Asian econobox if I do. My first car was 15k , which was very fitting for my new 6 figure salary.<p>I&#x27;d say the writer wanted a status symbol, and found it doesn&#x27;t exactly work as a vehicle.
negamax3 个月前
Driver didn&#x27;t take delivery from Tesla by themselves and used a third party. In situations like these chances of parts replacement by older&#x2F;faulty parts is high
lofaszvanitt3 个月前
&quot;Tesla acknowledges all faults in the vehicle (except for battery losses, a fact on which it has not yet formally commented). The company refuses to accept a return of the vehicle without penalty, even though the problems were reported immediately. The only solution they offer is to make me wait 3 months for a miraculous replacement part. Ignored and without any type of compensation, I live attached to a car that needs a full recharge every 12 days to not die. For my own safety, and that of other drivers, I have stopped driving the vehicle.<p>&quot;<p>this is how the lobotomized&#x2F;neutered people react... wake up people and get back your rights
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sizzle3 个月前
“ Ignored and without any type of compensation, I live attached to a car that needs a full recharge every 12 days to not die.”<p>12 days seems pretty reasonable for standby?
zmxz3 个月前
Looks like Elon was too busy farming in Path of Exile and now Tesla&#x27;s customers have to wait until he asserts he&#x27;s the god&#x27;s gift to gaming first.
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oriettaxx3 个月前
Btw: Why I could not upvote or login from my currenty albanian IP (I had to turn on VPN with an EU IP).
contravariant3 个月前
&gt; Tilburg (Holland).<p>Try not to call them Hollanders, except possibly during national football matches. Tilburg is in an area of the Netherlands that has quite a strong regional identity (and that region is not Holland). You can call them Brabanders if you want to use the regional demonym.<p>Also that regional identity is going to be quite strong until carnaval has passed, should you visit any time soon.
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maxlin3 个月前
Considering these are (bad) corner case situations other modern cars seem to be having as much as Tesla, just by glancing at the comments, the first thing in the article highlighted being &quot;Elon Musk&#x27;s company!&quot; just makes this look like a hit piece no different from that oil&amp;gas connected &quot;car reviewer&quot; who forced the Tesla to run empty by driving back n forth in a parking lot.<p>The crazies are always there. But they don&#x27;t belong on HN.
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calrain3 个月前
I can imagine a time when you have to pay a monthly subscription for it to turn to the left.
vachina3 个月前
Dude decided to go out of his way to import a car not sold in his country, and then act surprised when quality of service for said car is shit in his country.<p>What is he expecting?
axegon_3 个月前
I got a ton of hate last time I said it, primarily from comrade musk&#x27;s simps but I&#x27;ll say it again: a former boss of mine(also musk worshiper) bought the top of the range tesla model s. We were going out of the Hague(where the company was headquartered) and I was in his car. It was brand new, like it barely had 6000km on the clock. My first impression was &quot;how the hell is my 10 year old mid-range BMW offering a wildly better ride and build quality than something that just got off the production line&quot;. Plastic squeaking, you could feel every pebble on the road in your spine. And this is the Netherlands we are talking here, and those are by far the best roads in Europe by a considerable margin - when you see a tiny crack in the asphalt anywhere, it sticks out like a sore thumb from the horizon. We had to stop and charge it, the charger got stuck, fob was working 60% of the time, it refused to start on several occasions - all in the span of a single 10km trip. &quot;It will get fixed with a future update, musk knows what he&#x27;s doing&quot; was what my boss kept telling everyone. Mmyeah, no thanks, I&#x27;m fine with my BMW.
dd_xplore3 个月前
Did you not get a manufacturing defect car
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ultrasandwich3 个月前
Not sure how much this adds to the conversation, but I have a 1990 VW Golf which is possibly the easiest piece of technology I&#x27;ve ever worked on. Has satisfying buttons that button. Has an actual windshield wiper handle. Diagnosing and replacing parts is incredibly easy due to the wealth of knowledge out there, and readily available parts that can be ordered. The most complicated thing is tracing electrical gremlins, which, given the 30+ years of collective knowledge out there on forums, is really not so bad anymore. I&#x27;m not always nostalgic for old stuff, just saying that if you have an engineering mindset, tinkering with an older car is very satisfying.
lisp22403 个月前
Knowing Tesla’s reputation for unreliable products and poor customer service how did you nazi this coming?
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thejazzman3 个月前
my favorite part of buying a tesla is that they will NOT unlock the door and let you inspect it in any way without formally ACCEPTING the car in a legally binding way<p>it makes you feel sick and disgusted before you even get in.
Snacklive3 个月前
for such an infuriating situation the phrase<p>&gt; I didn’t have a car, I had a tamagotchi with wheels<p>Was too funny it made me chuckle loudly.<p>Anyway f Tesla
danlitt3 个月前
&gt; It is the electric car with the lowest consumption (12.5 kW &#x2F; 100 km)<p>Anyone have any idea what this means? What&#x27;s power divided by distance?
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