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OpenAI's GPT-5 Bait and Switch

38 点作者 vincent_s3 个月前

11 条评论

albert_e3 个月前
&quot;Apple Intelligence&quot; meant whatever Apple marketing wants it to be.<p>Now &quot;GPT 5&quot; is also a marketing term. You are paying for the abstracted experience and brand. Not a specific model or defined capabilities anymore.
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morsecodist3 个月前
As a user I like to pick models. Maybe I am using them wrong but I actually find reasoning&#x2F;chain-of-thought models worse at some things, even things they are supposedly better at like coding. They are also buggier in my experience and an order of magnitude slower.<p>This also doesn&#x27;t bode well for AI progress. It feels like the kind of thing you release if you want to release something but haven&#x27;t made much progress on improving the fundamental language model. Even chain of thought itself, while interesting, is a bit disappointing compared to language model improvements. It is more comparable to automated prompt engineering than a fundamental improvement of the model to represent knowledge and problem solving. This development seems to be doubling down on this direction.
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siva73 个月前
This is really concerning. Why should i pay for the pro subscription if i have no real control over when i get the most advanced reasoning capabilities. Usually i defend OpenAI but in this case i really hope their competitors catch up fast and don&#x27;t follow the same bullshit path like Sam does.
bko3 个月前
&gt; OpenAI could be setting the stage for a gradual reduction in service while maintaining premium prices.<p>This is rich. OpenAI is basically setting money on fire. They&#x27;ve always been very generous with the free tier and and going to offer unlimited gpt-5 with &quot;standard intelligence&quot; to users. They even allow users some access without an account.<p>For all its flaws, this is not one of them. It discredits the authors argument because it just comes off as OpenAI hater.<p>Regarding picking a model, sure you think you want control, and maybe you do. But likely the model will be better at picking the correct model for you. You see this with prompt engineering being less important with every generation of model. Not to mention 95% of users have no idea what model they want.
arielcostas3 个月前
I&#x27;m wondering: what will happen with the API? While they can give &quot;normal&quot; users the middle finger with shrinkflating model capabilities and opacity; I don&#x27;t think businesses will be too happy sending prompts to the &quot;super-intelligent&quot; model that suddently is performing way worse despite the client not changing their prompts.<p>Or they&#x27;ll keep that &quot;weird&quot; (not so hard to understand IMO) naming scheme for the API, which means any actual &quot;power user&quot; might choose instead to pay API credits and run their own Open WebUI (or any other ChatGPT-Like UI).
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unraveller3 个月前
The blackboxing makes it tougher to compare with anything, and means they can say you&#x27;re holding it wrong if the router brings you a second-rate response.
Alifatisk3 个月前
So GPT-5 will be about unifying GPT-4o, GPT-4o-mini, GPT-o3 and GPT-o3-mini into one single service which behaves similar in how OpenRouter functions?<p>&gt; The free tier of ChatGPT will get unlimited chat access to GPT-5 at the standard intelligence setting<p>Fantastic! But what if I am not satisfied with the result chatGPT has provided? Can I make it understand that the model they routed my prompt to wasn&#x27;t enough?
feraloink3 个月前
Soooo, starting with GPT-5, they&#x27;re making it more opaque by no longer letting users choose what model they use?<p>Also, in the process of eliminating model selection, I wonder what kind of pricing will be associated with the subscription tiers for &quot;intelligence levels&quot;.
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penjelly3 个月前
the model names are confusing and meaningless to me.
the_real_cher3 个月前
Have we picked all the low hanging fruit of LLMs?
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Roark663 个月前
Anthropic is ridiculously expensive compared to (not at all)OpenAI. I pay $50 a month to a OpenAI while I spent $50 in a day with Anthropic during a coding session. Was Claude better than Chatgpt 4 at certain tasks? Sure, it was also worse on some.<p>I&#x27;ve been saying (not at all)Open AI are subsidising the costs of running the models.The moment we get really dependent on them, they&#x27;ll hike the prices.!
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