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A study on how turtles navigate using the Earth’s magnetic field

166 点作者 gmays3 个月前

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tombert3 个月前
Turtles are my favorite animals (other than humans, and sometimes even more than them).<p>Mostly I think they&#x27;re just cute, which is by itself a perfectly valid reason for an animal to be your favorite, but I&#x27;ve always been fascinated by their ruggedness. It&#x27;s not weird for a turtle to live to 100 years old, and it feels like they can survive just about anything.<p>Having a built-in GPS just makes them even cooler.
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Biologist1233 个月前
My old man - an old-fashioned cat by anyone’s description — can pick true north anytime, anywhere. It’s made me wonder if he has some kind of internal magnetic compass. And now, having read this, I wonder if this ‘turtle skill’ is latent in humans but only emerges in a rare few.
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dahart3 个月前
&gt; “The big question is always the mechanism,” Goforth said. “What’s the mechanism and what is the sensor? We know that for the visual sense, you have eyes; for the sense of smell, you have a nose; and for hearing, you have ears. But no receptor like that has been identified for the magnetic sense, and the mechanism remains unknown.”<p>Interesting, I just barely listened to a Radiolab episode about magnetoreception in birds today [1]. The mechanism is thought to be cryptochrome, a type of protein that exhibits quantum effects when exposed to blue light [2]. The RadioLab story mentioned this mechanism was first proposed in the 70s (I think?) and it was heresy at the time a didn’t get published. Now there’s a SciAm article about it [3], and lots of blog posts. I wonder why this isn’t mentioned? Isn’t there a pretty good chance the mechanism is the same?<p>* edit: BTW while listening to the podcast I was reminded of Haidinger’s Brush [4] - the fact that many humans can see polarization, once they know what to look for. I wonder if it’s potentially related to navigation since the polarization effect is strongest at 90 degrees from the sun… i.e., generally north and south, in the morning and evening, for much of the earth.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;radiolab.org&#x2F;podcast&#x2F;quantum-birds" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;radiolab.org&#x2F;podcast&#x2F;quantum-birds</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Cryptochrome#Magnetoreception" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Cryptochrome#Magnetoreception</a><p>[3] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.scientificamerican.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;how-migrating-birds-use-quantum-effects-to-navigate&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.scientificamerican.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;how-migrating-bir...</a><p>[4] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Haidinger&#x27;s_brush" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Haidinger&#x27;s_brush</a>
shellfishgene3 个月前
Is there really not a single link to the actual paper in the press release or did I just miss it?
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acyou3 个月前
When they first figured out that turtles use magnetic fields to navigate, they placed them in kiddie swimming pools in someone&#x27;s backyard and placed large electromagnets next to the swimming pools. Multiple turtles reliably oriented themselves according to the magnetic field direction corresponding with their seasonal migration direction.<p>This paper is claiming something different, something to do with a particular magnetic field having a behavioral association.<p>Lot of question marks and need for some more context. Why would turtles evolve the dancing behavior? Does it have to do with the kind of food they eat and how they get that food? No, turtles did not evolve like dogs to dance and do tricks for food.
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tydes3 个月前
I could have sworn I remember hearing this a few years back &amp; that it was discovered due to the increase in shifting of magnetic north over time, &amp; that their migrations back home correlated in that they were off by that amount..<p>At least that&#x27;s what I&#x27;ve been telling folk. NewScientist I&#x27;m certain.
crazydoggers3 个月前
I wonder if it’s actually a form of touch sensation. Some parts of the body might be minutely susceptible to magnetic fields and the feeling is distributed across areas of the turtle. The human finger can sense things only a micron in size.<p>Something like miniscule tugging of the shell in certain directions being felt?
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rapind3 个月前
More proof we’re just flying around on the back of a turtle on the back of a turtle…
wkyleg3 个月前
Interesting that they don&#x27;t know exactly how they are perceiving magnetism. I suppose it could be an internal brain mechanism, but if that were to be able to operate without direct outside sensory input, there might be all kinds of other potential latent abilities in animals.<p>More likely, this might be the same as the mechanism which exists in birds, who can effectively see the Earth&#x27;s magnetic field in their eyes, although an internal magnetic detection system present in animals would be much more interesting. See <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;royalsocietypublishing.org&#x2F;doi&#x2F;10.1098&#x2F;rsif.2019.0295" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;royalsocietypublishing.org&#x2F;doi&#x2F;10.1098&#x2F;rsif.2019.029...</a>. Birds essentially perceive the Earth&#x27;s magnetic field through a chemical process in the receptors for red and green light in their eyes, and are believed to have special cells in their beak, brain stem, and possibly their vestibular system as well. It can be disrupted fairly easy by magnetism or different wavelengths of light.<p>There are obvious other strange implications of this as well, although I&#x27;m not sure how much real evidence there is to support them. For instance, there are many concerns about the effects of EMF exposure, as well as that EMF can affect plant life. There is research on magnetic and electric brain stimulation as well. At the most out-there level, there is the research into remote viewing and things like telepathy. So, to whatever extent this actually exists, there are interesting implications for the phenomenological experience of other forms of animal life.<p>Regardless, it is interesting to see research that is actually showing new and intriguing things regarding different forms of perception (I guess this is arguably ESP, or at least a new sense) that are not complete crank nonsense. I&#x27;ve always felt like my sense of direction was a sort of 6th sense; I guess it really could be.
trhway3 个月前
&gt;But no receptor like that has been identified for the magnetic sense, and the mechanism remains unknown<p>Wasn’t such a molecule found in bird’s eyes?
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PicassoCTs3 个月前
So if the poles flip- there navigation fails?
hammock3 个月前
Very cool. So they have a map sense, and a compass sense, and we don’t know how either of them work still.
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nashashmi3 个月前
I wonder if bats have the same senses to magnetic field.
samldev3 个月前
Go Heels!
actinium2263 个月前
At first I thought this was a mnemonic and then I quickly realized that DTUSD is probably not something people try to remember
pinoy4203 个月前
It explains the phenomena and the response but not the mechanism. Anyone know?