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I'm an American and I want to watch the Olympics. What do I do?

371 点作者 sudonim将近 13 年前

58 条评论

acabal将近 13 年前
This exact same thing happened to me today!<p>I'm in Germany, so I put the Olympics on TV. But I don't yet speak German, so after an hour I wanted to watch them in English.<p>I went to the NBC web site, but they geolocate your IP and only stream to US people. Fine, I'm used to this crap (lots of Youtube videos are blocked in Germany too) so I just fired up my proxy and tried again. This time I got through, only to find that they're asking me to log in to a cable provider first! What the hell!<p>After scouring the internet I found a huge list of Olympics streaming broadcasters. Turns out the BBC is broadcasting online too. So I try them--same thing, blocked outside of the UK! But this time I don't have a proxy in the UK, so I gave up and watched the damn thing in German.<p>I get the theory of having to go through a cable provider login to get the US Olympics. But what if you're a taxpaying UK citizen abroad for a while? You've paid your tax--but you still can't access the stream!<p>Wasn't the internet supposed to break through barriers like space and location? In the year 2012 am I seriously being denied an English-language broadcast of a global event just because my laptop is currently in Germany?<p>Sure I can jump through even more hoops and figure out a UK-based VPN or some crap. But the point is I shouldn't have to do this! We're in 2012 people! Why even have the internet if we're just going to lock up information according to where you live?
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OmarIsmail将近 13 年前
Sign up for www.unblock-us.com or www.unotelly.com and watch the amazing BBC coverage on iPlayer. Super super simple setup.<p>Personally, I prefer www.unblock-us.com
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jimhirshfield将近 13 年前
This won't get you live coverage, but it will get you legal NBC coverage on your home TV... The broadcast industry does not want American's to know this, but they are legally obligated to provide the free "over the air" stations on cable (coax) even if you do not pay for cable service. In other words, do what I have done: 1. You need a modern cable-ready TV 2. Plug the coax into the wall (assumes your residence had cable installation at one point). 3. Plug other end of coax into your TV. 4. Scan for channels. 5. Voila: CBS, ABC, NBC, PBS, and more.<p>Yes, it's that simple. And this is NOT using the coax as an RF antenna. This is the cable company providing me with what I am legally entitled to: over the air stations in a digital age.<p>The cable companies are trying to fight this, but as of now, it exists. It's legal. And it works. My son's watching PBS Kids as I type. And we watched many Olympic events through-out the days today - OK, not live, but still I DO NOT PAY FOR TV.
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techsupporter将近 13 年前
Answer: Get a cable TV subscription. If you don't want to "pirate," or be in a "grey area," then do what the license rights holder wants you to do and pony up. I pay for Frontier FiOS TV and can watch whatever events I want as part of my subscription. In many areas, the local cable company will have you installed in a day or two and you can go month-to-month. Comcast in Seattle is offering $29.99/month for the first 6 months, no contract, and that includes msnbc, CNBC, and Bravo.<p>To answer the point of "NBC pays the government," they do: for broadcast spectrum only. All the other channels with Olympics content are not covered by that payment.
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rwmj将近 13 年前
Rent a VM in a UK colo (I recommend <a href="http://www.bytemark.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bytemark.co.uk/</a>), and use get-iplayer (<a href="http://www.infradead.org/get_iplayer/html/get_iplayer.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.infradead.org/get_iplayer/html/get_iplayer.html</a>) to download programs from the BBC.<p>Edit: Even though I live in the UK, this is how I watch TV because with a bit of scripting it's a lot more convenient than having a TV.
robomartin将近 13 年前
Well, my opinion is that the IOC and broadcasters like NBC are being held back by ideas from the last century. They are using the Internet as another broadcasting method and ignoring the potential it offers.<p>At a very basic level, they could offer live streaming of all events --advertising free-- for a fee. I would gladly pay, say, US $100 for this service. Some might only be interested in a subset of events, which means that there's a possibility to create tiers and capture revenue at various levels.<p>Here in the US, as has been discussed in this and other threads, NBC has royally fucked up things beyond all recognition. I finally broke down and downloaded their app. It's shit. The ads are intrusive TV-style ads. What's worst, they have some sort of a bug somewhere that is causing videos to end prematurely.<p>As and example, I tried watching Archery, Judo and Taekwondo pre-recorded events (not live). One of them was supposed to be a five hour event. We watched about fifteen minutes and the stream stopped with a message that read something akin to "This video has ended". There was no way to watch it beyond that point. It literally stopped in the middle of the action.<p>The other moronic thing is the way the video ads are inserted. They seem to be using a simple timer to determine when to run a video ad. This means that they'll interrupt your viewing in the middle of a match --just as someone is throwing a kick-- to run a stupid ad. Unbelievable.<p>I am hoping that there's widespread dissatisfaction with this and that the next Olympics, World Cup, etc. see a massive change. I'd really like to see a true Internet company get the rights and do it right. The IOC could make far more than what NBC and others are paying for these events by having a single-point internationally-friendly Internet strategy rather than old-school per country/region licensing.<p>Finally, a note to NBC advertisers: I am NOT watching your ads. Stop paying NBC! We DVR the coverage and are masterfully skilled at fast-forwarding through your commercials. When I am watching gymnastics I could not care less about your movie or your insurance offering. So, stop supporting broadcasters, you are wasting your money in a monumental way.
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brudgers将近 13 年前
<i>"I use a service called Vyprvpn which is $14.99 a month. I get it as part of a bundle with a subscription to Giganews. That’s how I connect with a VPN to the UK. And you can too."</i><p>So the author ended up paying to watch the Olympics. Illegally, instead of legally, I would add.
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rmc将近 13 年前
<i>It is illegal if you live in the UK and consume TV to not pay for your TV license.<p>Legally, I’m unclear of if an American connecting on a VPN to a live stream in the UK is breaking the law. I would guess that it hasn’t really come up with the TV license people yet.</i><p>I don't know about the UK law, but nearby Ireland has a similar "TV Licence". The law there is not "you need a licence to watch TV", but "if you're in Ireland and you have something that's capable of recieving TV signals, then you need a TV licence".<p><i>If</i> the UK is similar, then it's not "watch BBC" that requires a licence, but "owning a TV in the UK". The OP almost certainly does not own a TV in the UK, so almost certainly not need a TV licence.<p><i>(NB: There may or may not be terms &#38; conditions on the iPlayer website which say you may only access it if you are in UK / have a TV licence / etc., which might make the above the illegal (but not for TV licence reasons). I'm suprised the Olympics works for them, usually BBC iPlayer stuff uses GeoIP to block it from non-UK IP addresses.)</i>
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_b8r0将近 13 年前
Funnily enough, I know a lot of British people who use the exact same technique the other way around to watch Hulu and Comedy Central in the US.
jbscpa将近 13 年前
I DO have cable TV in the U.S. - Suddenlink<p>I spent 45 minutes online with the Suddenlink support person and got my account setup with username and password<p>ALL SET right?<p>So, with the Suddenlink support person on the phone I login to the NBCOlympics.com site and select Suddenlink.<p>I key in my username and password.<p>In about a minute the screen pops up and says I am all set to WATCH THE OLYMPICS LIVE.<p>Joy!!<p>Then in about 10 seconds another screen pops up:<p>"You do not have a subscription to view the requested content. Contact Suddenlink to upgrade your programming then log back in to view content."<p>What the heck??<p>So I ask the very helpful Suddenlink support person still waiting on the phone: What Up?<p>She confirms that since I do not have the EXTENDED basic package with optional add-ons with Suddenlink I do not qualify to WATCH THE OLYMPICS LIVE<p>BY THE WAY:<p>Did you read the nbcolympics.com FAQ:<p>"Q: What is required for accessing Live Extra content? A: You will need to verify that you subscribe to a cable, satellite or telco video tier that includes CNBC and MSNBC. There is no additional charge."<p>I do have CNBC and MSNBC. CNBC is channel 255 and MSNBC is channel 264 (in my market area)<p>And yet I cannot WATCH THE OLYMPICS LIVE<p>In the terms of the Olympics here is my message to NBC LET THE GAMES BEGIN - THE INTERNETS ALWAYS WIN.
kevinburke将近 13 年前
I'm in London for the Olympics and have been blown away by the BBC - from the usability of their website, the lack of commercials, the generally high quality of commentary and online material, to the 24 hi-definition channels of Olympic coverage live on TV in the flat we are renting.<p>I wrote up some instructions about how to use EC2 as a web proxy here - <a href="http://kev.inburke.com/kevin/how-to-use-ec2-as-a-web-proxy/" rel="nofollow">http://kev.inburke.com/kevin/how-to-use-ec2-as-a-web-proxy/</a> - not sure if it would work in Amazon's Ireland data center, but worth a try.
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jamesharker将近 13 年前
I'm actually quite surprised to see so many posts on HN discussing ways to pirate Olympic content. The BBC is restricted to UK IP addresses for a reason. Every household in Britian pays the equivalent of around $230 per year for the right to watch live television, whether it be on your phone, laptop or TV. The BBC has a finite amount of resources to spend on hosting online content &#38; if the whole World logs on to watch the Olympics it could end up spoiling it for those of us who've paid for the service. I can understand the Americans frustration with NBC (or whatever broadcaster is showing the Olympics in your region) but if you really do want to watch the BBC, the least you can do is pay for it <a href="https://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/pay-for-your-tv-licence/" rel="nofollow">https://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/pay-for-your-tv-licence/</a>
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kalleboo将近 13 年前
&#62; Sure! In fact, if you’re in the UK, you can legally stream every event of the Olympics live, and commercial free.<p>Note that I believe you need to pay the licence fee to legally watch iPlayer (IIRC it pops up a dialog the first time you run it to confirm you've paid). So even in the UK you have to "pay for TV" to get this service. It costs approx £12/month.
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bkor将近 13 年前
In the Netherlands you can watch it via NOS. They have explanations for how to watch it on your pc, mobile, tv, radio, twitter/fb. See <a href="http://nos.nl/os2012/volg-de-spelen/" rel="nofollow">http://nos.nl/os2012/volg-de-spelen/</a>.<p>To watch on your pc, they partnered with Youtube Live: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/nosnlsport" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/user/nosnlsport</a><p>which gives me: "The uploader has not made this video available in your country. " which is a bit strange (living in the Netherlands).<p>Fortunately it is quite easy to proxy stuff via the UK :)
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tlrobinson将近 13 年前
A UK-based Linode instance as a proxy works beautifully: <a href="http://bearsfightingbears.com/how-to-watch-the-olympics-live-from-the-united-states" rel="nofollow">http://bearsfightingbears.com/how-to-watch-the-olympics-live...</a>
kennywinker将近 13 年前
As a Canadian, I run into this bullshit all the time.<p>Comedy Central embedded videos, hulu, etc.<p>The whole thing seems like a perversion of the promise of the internet: to connect us all... It's double ironic in the OPs case, given the stated goals of the olympics.<p>Going around via VPN is well within my technical means, but I don't want to support the people who behave this way online, so I usually don't view the geo-walled content, or turn to the pirate bay.
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bdz将近 13 年前
does this work in the us? <a href="http://www.eurovisionsports.tv/london2012/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.eurovisionsports.tv/london2012/index.html</a><p>this is the official european broadcast stream. simply the best, every event in live and you can also replay them. plus there is no commentator here, just the raw broadcast (i hate when commentators talk too much...)
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repsilat将近 13 年前
Wait, I don't quite get it - the first thing the author says is that he got "crystal clear" high-def Olympics coverage from someone called Telemundo over the air. He goes on to conclude that "There is no good way to watch the Olympics in the United States without a cable subscription".<p>What did I miss?<p>Edit: Thanks for the quick answers.
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robomartin将近 13 年前
I have a qualifying satellite TV package and that is also broken. I related my experience this morning here:<p><a href="http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4305905" rel="nofollow">http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4305905</a><p>NBC ought to be ashamed. Their online offering is pure crap.
damian2000将近 13 年前
+1 BBC<p>The broadcaster of the first public TV signal back in 1936 and still going strong today.<p>"On November 2, 1936 the BBC began transmitting the world's first public television service from the Victorian Alexandra Palace in north London[12] following alternate daily test broadcasts of the Baird and Marconi systems to the Radio Show at Olympia at the end of August. It therefore claims to be the birthplace of television broadcasting as we know it today." -- <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_television" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_television</a>
utoku将近 13 年前
Like most people here, I just don't like the fact that some people are trying to put digital walls around me.<p>To buy my nexus 1 phone, I had to use a machine in US. I bought some other stuff from UK that way, using my machine in UK. But then UK started blocking other sites, so I had move that machine to Germany.<p>Someone needs to come up with a research paper, showing the optimum number of virtual machines needed to access the whole internet (with their locations). Or better, make a business out of it.
ernestipark将近 13 年前
Great post. FWIW, the mobile app that NBC has is 10000x better than their website, and sometimes is even faster and better quality (iPhone). This is a good example of developing for mobile first... The mobile experience strips down all the unnecessary cruft and gets you to what you want immediately. As soon as I logged on to the app, I was able to see all live streaming videos in a nice interface and get to what I wanted. Can't say the same about the wesite.
frozenflame将近 13 年前
Ask a friend or family with the required cable package for their login info. A more social than technical hack, but it works very well.
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drivingmenuts将近 13 年前
I don't watch the Olympics, as a general rule, but I'm pretty sure that, even if I desired to, I still wouldn't until broadcasters get around to using this decades technologies to deliver content.<p>You want them to modernize? Get as many people as you can to stop using cable for TV.
zaim将近 13 年前
I'm not in the US but I've been watching the Olympics on YouTube - <a href="http://youtube.com/user/olympic" rel="nofollow">http://youtube.com/user/olympic</a> - this is the official Olympics channel.<p>Funny nobody's mentioned this. Is the channel not available in the US?
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JacobIrwin将近 13 年前
I'm posting this in all three of the 'Olympics' threads showing up on the front page of HN:<p>I live in Berkeley, CA and I was able to get full access to videos, including streams and highlights, by selecting Xfinity as my service provider during my initial sign-up/activation on the NBC Olympics website.<p>Here at my apartment, we have no cable service and an internet provider called Zoom. So obviously, I wasn't being truthful - but instead was trying to circumvent this ridiculous corporate stranglehold during my first attempt to access Olympic footage.<p>I don't know if it will still work, but it worked for me on Friday and my credentials have held since - allowing my full access without login each time I access the website.
startupmum将近 13 年前
Get a VPN that gives you a UK IP and watch it on the BBC website. Got tons of results on <a href="http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=uk+ip+vpn" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=uk+ip+vpn</a><p>I use a similar one to access Facebook when traveling to China.
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JumpCrisscross将近 13 年前
NBC has to recover (and profit on) its $1.1 billion investment. Fault resides more with the IOC (or whoever auctioned these rights) for not requiring live streaming. I presume they assumed this would lower the value of the bids.
temptemp123将近 13 年前
If you have an european ip, go to <a href="http://www.eurovisionsports.tv/london2012/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.eurovisionsports.tv/london2012/index.html</a><p>It's the official site of all european broadcasters.<p>You have access to all the live streams (without commentary) from all the arenas and all the live streams from all european stations.<p>Just enter bbc, zdf, ard, etc... in the search box to get the corresponding live stream with their commentary.<p>It also works if you are blocked on the broadcasters website (e.g. i can't watch the zdf live stream, but can watch it here).<p>They have live streams for each olympics and for some special events.
emgreen将近 13 年前
I'm a Brit living abroad, and guiltily use one of the (probably illegal) methods already mentioned to watch the BBC - I feel bad, but I just can't do without it! One thing to know, it's completely okay to listen to BBC radio from anywhere in the world, <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/radio" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/radio</a>. There's a sports station for the Olympic Coverage - Radio 5, and I also heartily recommend Radio 6 for music, and Radio 4 for excellent speech radio, including news, documentaries, comedies and dramas.
arkx将近 13 年前
If you're comfortable with SSH you could also just fire up an EC2 or Linode instance in UK, install a local proxy and tunnel traffic through it.<p>It's way more versatile than signing up for just VPN.
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codequickly将近 13 年前
I can't get any major networks over OTA, except for channels I wouldn't watch, ie Telemundo, Univision, HomeShopping,etc. I live about 50 miles from SF. It's really frustrating, not being able to watch the Olympics. But I'd hate to go through VPN. Just like my previous viewing of World Cup,I'd have to resort to non-English channels and learn a little bit of Spanish, although their coverage is focused more toward Spanish-speaking countries.
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Tivs将近 13 年前
If you have a proxy to connect to in Asia, India, or Africa (easy to find) you can watch the live stream on <a href="http://www.youtube.com/olympic" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/olympic</a>. Simple clean interface with schedule and easy stream selection for the current events happening. It's also commercial free as well as being up to 1080p. You can even change the language of the broadcast.
paul9290将近 13 年前
This Olympics insanity (needing to subscribe to cable TV to watch a over the air broadcast; Comcasts owns NBC Universal) is a great reason why services like <a href="http://Aereo.com" rel="nofollow">http://Aereo.com</a> need to thrive!<p>Does anyone here have Aereo and are using it to watch the Olympics?
calpaterson将近 13 年前
"ridiculously high standard of TV broadcasting that the BBC provides"<p>Heh, it's good, but this is overstating it a bit.
Jaqua将近 13 年前
If you happen to have PC in virtual - or physical HW then ill recommend using the <a href="http://bbc-player.com/" rel="nofollow">http://bbc-player.com/</a> which uses the TOR network to give you access to BBC channels. The iPlayer portal is also accessible with it.
jsaxton86将近 13 年前
To me, the confusing part is why NBC only lets cable subscribers stream the content for free. I would guess that the cable companies are paying them to do that, but that is pure speculation on my part. If I can stream everything online, why would I purchase cable?
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numle将近 13 年前
It's possible to stream the olympics from the BBC iPlayer using a UK proxy only for requesting the page with the player (the flash player itself doesn't seem to care where you're located).<p>I just tested this using a free proxy. Any slow/unstable proxy will work just fine.
mladenkovacevic将近 13 年前
That sucks about not being able to get it OTA. I'm in Toronto and with a $20 antenna I can get a solid NBC broadcast from Buffalo. The local CTV channel also has an Olympics program so at any point in time I usually have 2 sporting events to choose from.
Inversechi将近 13 年前
You can also buy a UK based VPS ( <a href="http://www.lowendbox.com/tag/uk/" rel="nofollow">http://www.lowendbox.com/tag/uk/</a>) and install some VPN server on there/ <i></i> Note: Make sure the provider allows TUN/TAP
jswank将近 13 年前
For the winter Olympics, I had a VPS provisioned with a Toronto-based provider: setup Apache w/ a password protected mod_proxy. Voila, I could watch live curling and luge in the office. Total cost was less than $30 USD.
truxs将近 13 年前
Did anybody tried francetvsport.fr ?<p>It seems to work from the webproxy i used but i'm not sure my ip was properly hidden.<p>Anyway, for once french television is not behind, they broadcast all the sports live on their website without any commentary.
JeffJenkins将近 13 年前
I'm confused. In the iPad app I clicked time-warner cable, that I didn't have service, and I wanted a temporary pass. And then everything just worked. TWC is my ISP, but I have no cable service with them.
ezioamf将近 13 年前
You can try <a href="http://esportes.terra.com.br/jogos-olimpicos/londres-2012/ao-vivo/1970/" rel="nofollow">http://esportes.terra.com.br/jogos-olimpicos/londres-2012/ao...</a>
ewang1将近 13 年前
Use your email and get a temporary pass on NBColympics.com. Although it only lasts 4hrs but I assume you can use a different email after that and it might still work.
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cdcarter将近 13 年前
What area are you in with no terrestrial NBC affiliate?
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ing33k将近 13 年前
I'm an Indian and I watch Olympics here <a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/olympic" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/user/olympic</a>
welcomebrand将近 13 年前
I wonder if folks doing this are also the same ones complaining about people stealing apps and torrenting movies? There's no real difference.
ryanmarsh将近 13 年前
Seriously, this is atrocious. I've been trying to watch the Olympics all day and it's been one huge fail.
Kelliot将近 13 年前
The BBC coverage is unbeatable. Really sets a new benchmark for multi sport event broadcasting
csense将近 13 年前
A lot of people don't get particular networks because the US recently (June 2009 [1]) switched to digital TV broadcasting. Essentially, digital TV is a transmission protocol which more efficiently utilizes the available electromagnetic spectrum by transmitting compressed video.<p>The problem is that digital transmission doesn't gracefully degrade like analog transmission does. If you're at the outer part of a transmitter's range, with the legacy analog signal, you might have been able to get an adequate signal with slightly fuzzy picture or static-y sound. But receiving a digital signal is largely a binary affair; you're either in-range and receive it, or out-of-range and you don't. *<p>Another issue is the economics; most people get their TV through cable. So it doesn't necessarily make economic sense for stations to build new transmitters to make their post-digital range equal their pre-digital range, especially if the new dead zones are in low-population-density areas.<p>Online streaming is so technically superior to broadcast -- there's no technical reason you can't get what you want, when you want it; and the maximum number of channels we can support isn't limited by scarce electromagnetic spectrum -- that I foresee traditional broadcast TV being completely replaced within the next 10-30 years.<p>It's still new enough, however, that the social, political, and legal issues still have to be worked out. I.e. FCC requirements to provide broadcast-equivalent service should probably apply to ISP's, but they don't. And companies like NBC should realize it's in their best interest to make content available at reasonable prices "ala carte" online, but they don't.<p>It's particularly interesting to see that recently services like Hulu or Youtube are running pilot programs for producing original content. Essentially the reason NBC et al can get away with offering customers awful service without having their lunch eaten by startups is that they by-and-large have a monopoly on content that people want to see. But if similar content becomes available from other services at lower cost and/or on saner terms, they'll be forced to change their business or die off. In other words, someone needs to do to NBC what iTunes did to the music industry. There are plenty of people in this space; Hulu, Netflix, Youtube, many others.<p>Online video is still a very immature industry because only within the last 10-15 years has bandwidth and decoding horsepower sufficient for streaming video become available to most people. Over time the free market should iron out a more efficient solution to connecting viewers, content producers and content aggregators, but many existing businesses are enormously large and entrenched, so the process will take time.<p>[1] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_terrestrial_television#United_States" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_terrestrial_television#...</a><p>* This isn't strictly true; you might get some artifacts in marginal situations, but these tend to be much more noticeable and much less acceptable than with analog. The "in-range" and "out-of-range" might change over time due to weather.
heeton将近 13 年前
That is the creepiest avatar / drawing I have seen all month.
freedrull将近 13 年前
Why doesn't he just go to the local sports bar?
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cabalamat将近 13 年前
It would make sense for the BBC to run their own VPN-like service so people outside the UK could view their content.
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recoiledsnake将近 13 年前
&#62;I didn’t go out and buy an antenna, but I was able to tune quite a few channels<p>Why not buy an antenna, especially an amplified one? That will run circles around using a shielded coax cable as an antenna.<p>&#62;FAIL. There is no good way to watch the Olympics in the United States without a cable subscription<p>Sorry, that doesn't follow when you didn't even try a TV antenna.
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rprasad将近 13 年前
<i>Pay for it</i>. Broadcasting the Olympics costs NBC lots of money. These deals are how they pay those costs. (And if it wasn't NBC, it would be CBS, ABC, or Fox.)<p>One of the hazards of giving up living television is that...you give up live television. NBC is not obligated to do squat for you if it can't make money from you. It's a business, not a charity.<p>And stop praising the BBC. <i>It's not free</i>. Brits pay a mandatory tax to support the BBC, so it is no different from cable/satellite TV in the U.S.
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alpine将近 13 年前
You could offer to pay ~£8k in licence fees for life time access to UK TV. Of course, if you watch and don't pay, you will live in fear of a prison sentence. Luckily, extradition from the US to the UK is less likely than the reverse, so you needn't lose as much sleep as eg Garry McKinnon (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon</a>)
mlvljr将近 13 年前
(may I add a small comment as a (proud) ex-USSR citizen?) In Soviet Russia, we watched Olympics.<p>Good luck to you guys :)