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Only bad poems go viral

59 点作者 areoform3 个月前

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sudosteph3 个月前
Oh good timing, I&#x27;ve been writing poetry for the first time ever for the past week. Not about to share it anywhere.<p>But, they both look like mostly honest perspectives from particular types of people.<p>I see the first one and think of all the out of touch HS teachers I had who were so convinced their class was important and they were going to <i>teach me an important life lesson</i> and <i>save me from underachieving</i> by being hard on me in some way (usually being super strict on deadlines, or the guy who let me turn in my test with the back side not complete and didn&#x27;t tell me or let me retry for partial credit - both my fault, but they taught me nothing). They had no concern for the fact I was just trying to get through the day. They just saw someone with <i>potential</i> who needed to <i>learn from their mistakes</i> by being held accountable. But I had missed deadlines in every class I ever took since middle school, if I could have just taught myself executive functioning and how to have a stable home life, I would have.<p>The second reminds me of a lot of some of my friends. They are anxious wrecks, obsessesing over the news constantly, meanwhile compulsively using social media to make calls for action and bring important things that they can&#x27;t really actually impact to light. All the while, their personal life and mental health is a wreck, which they also loudly proclaim on social media.<p>So I think both poems were great insights into those perspectives. It&#x27;s just that those perspectives are not exactly interesting and are sometimes a bit annoying.
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lmm3 个月前
The core point is halfway down: only bad poems go viral <i>on Twitter</i>, because Twitter&#x27;s design means the most &quot;successful&quot; posts are those that encourage flamewars. Twitter is to social media as League of Legends is to videogames.
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delichon3 个月前
When I was 10 I wrote my first poem for a class assignment. It was worse than you might expect. The problem is that my teacher entered it into a statewide contest and it got published on the cover of a statewide distributed poetry book. I have a friend who still quotes from it in wonder. I was mortified and it was also the last poem I ever wrote. But my poetry publishing batting average is 1.000.
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PaulHoule3 个月前
I think &quot;almost all poems are bad poems&quot; is more like it.<p>My wife was talking to me the other day about how &quot;all the poems in the New Yorker are bad.&quot; I think the last contemporary poet that I liked was Charles Bukowski [1] but even as a (not quite super) fan I think you don&#x27;t need more than a copy of <i>Post Office</i> (an early novel of his) and one volume of his poems because from beginning to end his poems were about drinking alcohol, taking care of his cats, loose women, and gambling at the track.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Charles_Bukowski" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Charles_Bukowski</a>
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PandaRider3 个月前
&gt; Few of Twitter&#x27;s most vocal posters spend time reading contemporary poetry collections, attending readings, or tracing the evolution of forms.<p>I recently got hooked into contemporary (i.e. modern) poetry. I fully understand why modern poetry seems hard to understand.<p>I believe most people innately love simple <i>and</i> deep modern poems. If you like poetry related to nature (sorry major typo!), check out Ada Limon (1) If you like poetry related to medicine and life, check out ACP poetry prize (2)<p>1. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.poetryfoundation.org&#x2F;poets&#x2F;ada-limon" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.poetryfoundation.org&#x2F;poets&#x2F;ada-limon</a><p>2. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.acpjournals.org&#x2F;journal&#x2F;aim&#x2F;poetry-prize" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.acpjournals.org&#x2F;journal&#x2F;aim&#x2F;poetry-prize</a>
taeric3 个月前
Feels like &quot;Signaling a Political Ingroup&quot; is enough of a signal to explain all of these examples?<p>Not that I don&#x27;t think they aren&#x27;t also trying at the other points. I think they are over explaining, though.
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jorl173 个月前
Things are what they are. And what we make of them, really.<p>Poetry is art, and art is inherently subjective. Someone&#x27;s trash is someone else&#x27;s beautiful work of art. Indeed, I think, with time, I have been able to appreciate art as an art form (in the way it conveys a message, or requires some particular effort or technique, etc) and art as something that simply...touches someone in some way.<p>So I&#x27;ve found the best poetry to be terrible, and the worst poetry to be incredible. And everything in between. Who am I to truly judge what is good or bad? By which I mean: who is anyone to truly judge what is good or bad? If people find beauty in or are touched by some piece of art (even if the author did not intend it as art), then it is something worthy of that designation — a good piece of art. I guess this is somewhat of a hot take, but it is what it is — just another _thing_. While we&#x27;re on the topic of things, here is one such other thing — a(n arguably bad) poem on those dastardly things:<p><pre><code> Things (09&#x2F;01&#x2F;2025) A thing is what a thing ought not to be to us. It ought not to be anything, other than the thing it was. If it becomes something different, then it was never something. And, then, it knows it&#x27;s indifferent — for it knows not it&#x27;s a thing. We know not of it, either — how can we be sure it is? Could it not just be a fever, or another thing like this? I pay no mind to such things, nor do I pay any feelings. In fact, I pay no mind to anything — and isn&#x27;t that quite the thing?</code></pre>
sdwr3 个月前
The article has forgotten how it feels to be young and impressionable, has forgotten the face of its father:<p>&gt; What&#x27;s lost in this shift from private contemplation to public performance is the slow work of developing aesthetic judgment.<p>This pairing of poem and criticism is an important step towards aesthetic judgement. It raises difficult questions. They think it&#x27;s stupid. Do I? Do I because they told me not to like it? How does it make me feel?
rikroots3 个月前
I wrote this short essay[1] almost 20 years ago ...<p>Most people ask &quot;What is poetry?&quot;. Maybe a better question would be: &quot;Why does every human language have poetry within it?&quot;<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;rikverse2020.rikweb.org.uk&#x2F;blog&#x2F;monkeys-learn-to-sing" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;rikverse2020.rikweb.org.uk&#x2F;blog&#x2F;monkeys-learn-to-sin...</a>
IshKebab3 个月前
The overwhelming majority (well over 99%) of poems are bad, so it&#x27;s not surprising that viral poems are also bad.
CobrastanJorji3 个月前
I kind of liked both poems. I suppose I should feel wrong for liking &quot;inherently&quot; bad poems.
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relaxing3 个月前
Title made me think of the WC Williams “This Is Just To Say”&#x2F;icebox plums poem that took over Twitter for a while because it was formulaic in an exploitable meme way.<p>It would be fun to take this author’s formula and have a worst-viral poem writing contest.
hoseja3 个月前
The only poem I remember recently (if there were others, they haven&#x27;t made impact) is &quot;The Tiger&quot; by Nael, age 6.<p>Perhaps the only worthwhile contribution to the utterly dead field of 21st century poetry.<p>&quot;Few of Twitter&#x27;s most vocal posters spend time reading contemporary poetry collections, attending readings, or tracing the evolution of forms.&quot;<p>Have you tried making &quot;art&quot; that can stand on its own and doesn&#x27;t require sustained brainwashing to be &quot;enjoyed&quot;.
zabzonk3 个月前
Vogon poetry?<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.poetrysoup.com&#x2F;dictionary&#x2F;vogon_poetry" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.poetrysoup.com&#x2F;dictionary&#x2F;vogon_poetry</a>
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paulorlando3 个月前
A friend of mine has a thing about wanting to read new poems (ok, written within the last 30 years). Some are not bad. But I still go for the old stuff. Currently doing a lot of long drives and am almost half-way through memorizing Rime of the Ancient Mariner.
songeater3 个月前
Written poetry all my life, of varying badness. Have never had the ear or the talent for music though and – unfortunately – always felt I wanted to write “songs” not “poems.” Since 2017, I’ve been trying to “set my poems to music” using the machine. Started with my own algos in 2017, got going in earnest in 2020 with openAI’s jukebox; then last year a friend turned me to Suno.<p>Take the first poem talked about in OP’s article and one of the comments: “humans working hard to prove that they can make art that’s somehow even worse than AI slop.” I see this sort of comment a lot and I’m not saying that’s wrong at all – undoubtedly the vast vast majority of AI “content” is truly “slop.”<p>But I’ve also believed that genAI could be thought of like an instrument. Most music played on a piano or a synth or a guitar is slop; but it undoubtedly allows for music to be made that would otherwise not exist. I hope the same can be said of Suno (or whatever – hopefully opensourced alternative - follows).<p>And here’s one of my attempts, a song about the ethics of making music with the machine: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=3w5HBrMenZM" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=3w5HBrMenZM</a>
eszed3 个月前
&gt; Today, we engage with poems less as aesthetic objects worthy of sustained attention, and more as convenient units of online discourse.<p>The medium is the message. Again.
scotty793 个月前
Wasn&#x27;t that always the case? That bad things got popular and then next generation of critics mistook popular for good?
roncesvalles3 个月前
I just want to say that &quot;love is for the ones who love the work&quot; is an incredibly deep quote.
wwweston3 个月前
Some of those tweet criticisms gets the side eye from me:<p>&gt; People seem to not realize that poetry isn&#x27;t just a thing you can do. It requires knowledge of form and structure, and of course some amount of talent<p>It&#x27;s <i>very much</i> just a thing that you can do. Doing it well may be an art, but simply doing it is a humanity.<p>&quot;Knowledge of form and structure&quot; is a pretty circular standard, like many aesthetic standards. Form and structure become established by becoming established forms and structures -- matters of meter and certain symmetries <i>may</i> have something of a longer standing but the sonnet isn&#x27;t a cosmic constant. Form is arguably one of the <i>cheaper</i> ways of making poetry.<p>Brilliance among post-structural poets is uncontroversial at this point. Authors like Wendell Berry might make a case for the <i>use</i> of old forms (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.themarginalian.org&#x2F;2014&#x2F;11&#x2F;18&#x2F;wendell-berry-poetry-marriage&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.themarginalian.org&#x2F;2014&#x2F;11&#x2F;18&#x2F;wendell-berry-poet...</a> ) and that&#x27;s certainly worth understanding for practitioners of the arts of words or living, but that doesn&#x27;t mean everything else isn&#x27;t poetry (as Berry himself implicitly acknowledges in his own poetry).<p>Talent helps but sometimes you build up talent. Most people aren&#x27;t Keats or Cummings from the get go.<p>&gt; they fail to appreciate that the sentiments it expresses are also hackneyed and trite<p>So are sunsets and love.<p>I appreciate novelty and sophistication as much as the next guy, maybe more. I can even see not thinking these poems are particularly &quot;good&quot; by some set of aesthetic standards and I might even be interested in that kind of criticism.<p>But I also understand that what art is for is bigger than living up to that. To quote Ursula K Le Guin:<p>&gt; I want to revalue the word &quot;art&quot; so that when I come back as I do now to talking about words it is in the context of the great arts of living, of the woman carrying the basket of bread, bearing gifts, goods. Art not as some ejaculative act of ego but as a way, a skillful and powerful way of being in the world.<p>I don&#x27;t think the Krishnan laundry genocide poem is good poetry, but ... good for what? It was good at getting something out of the author, it was good at speaking to the divide between knowledge of a high profile horror and the work of every day living, and for touching on that feeling among readers.<p>The fact that it doesn&#x27;t hit my various aesthetic &#x2F; form markers is orthogonal to that.
immibis3 个月前
Where can we see this &quot;Bad Apple played on the NYPD farmer&#x27;s market&quot;? I only found &quot;Bad Apple played on apples&quot;: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=ywy-OwHejfs" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=ywy-OwHejfs</a>
hiccuphippo3 个月前
<p><pre><code> Me, I am simple Haiku poems fit me best Refrigerator</code></pre>
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