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Modernist Cuisine: The Art and Science of Cooking

144 点作者 tyleo3 个月前

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giraffe_lady3 个月前
This came out at the end of my career as a serious professional cook and I have mixed experience with it. It&#x27;s kind of an escoffier guide culinaire type deal for the 2000s. It documents &amp; standardizes, or at least presents emerging conventions for, a huge range of techniques that were in use in certain kinds of restaurants in the preceding two decades.<p>In terms of <i>food</i> like that you sit down and eat with other people, it was narrowly focused and dated almost immediately. But some of the techniques and &quot;moves&quot; became genuinely mainstream and it&#x27;s fairly reliable as a reference to them. And some of the others <i>didn&#x27;t</i>, but could have and are useful, and unless you were cooking at one of a couple dozen restaurants from 2002-2008 you&#x27;re unlikely to find another detailed guide to how to do them.<p>That said, for a lot of the detailed technical stuff, they generally chose to authoritatively select one specific approach to a technique, eliding details that can definitely be a big deal at this level of precision. Sometimes the &quot;recipe&quot; is really more of a demo, silently depending on details like a neutral pH, making it prone to failure if modified but too basic to be usable in its presented state.<p>Also some of the techniques simply don&#x27;t work as written. Specifically the ones that are presented as novel simplifications for complex molecular gastronomy operations are really hit or miss. I suspect these are just really bad cases of the previous point, where there is a hidden variable they didn&#x27;t document, that didn&#x27;t come up in testing. But there is a replication crisis in cookbooks too, this is not out of the norm though it is frustrating.<p>It also raises the annoying question that&#x27;s been in my head for 15 years now: wtf does myhrvold think &quot;modernist&quot; means?
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cwizou3 个月前
The good thing about Modernist Cuisine is that it goes deep into some niche topics (gelling and hydrocolloids, food safety, etc etc), so if you like that kind of thing (and crazy photography of sliced in half stuff), it&#x27;s great.<p>In terms of recipes, some have mentioned it but it&#x27;s barely practical, even if you like spending hours reproducing recipes from Michelin stars restaurant books. There are a few gems, like the truffle Arzak eggs done sous vide, but most of the time you don&#x27;t find much. You&#x27;ll have more fun with an El Bulli book if that&#x27;s what you&#x27;re looking for.<p>The at home version is a lot more practical but is also a bit dated at this point imo. The mac and cheese with sodium citrate is a good example of what to expect.<p>If we put aside Myhrvold (...), there&#x27;s a lot of extremely talented chefs that worked on it (Chris Young worked at The Fat Duck during it&#x27;s peak popularity). Some of them started a site called chefsteps a while back which tried to get a bit more practical yet still have some nice stuff. They do have a pretty useful chart (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.chefsteps.com&#x2F;activities&#x2F;a-map-of-sous-vide-cooking" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.chefsteps.com&#x2F;activities&#x2F;a-map-of-sous-vide-cook...</a>) that serves as a good reminder if you do sous vide regularly but never quite remember the temps. Their macaron course is also particularly on point.<p>The site has been bought by Breville (I think ?) and it&#x27;s not super clear at this point how much they will still push content but it&#x27;s still a cool ressource if you like that kind of cooking.
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josephmosby3 个月前
I have used Modernist Cuisine at Home for years. The techniques are a little more approachable for the home chef, and the results are A+.<p>And if science-infused cooking is your jam, Kenji Lopez-Alt is another great read. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.kenjilopezalt.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.kenjilopezalt.com</a>
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flower-giraffe3 个月前
For those that don’t know the primary author is Nathan Myhrvold who was the first CTO at Microsoft.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Nathan_Myhrvold" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Nathan_Myhrvold</a>
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M4R5H4LL3 个月前
Is this an advertisement for a 5-cookbook set at $625? If I were a beginner, I would spend that money on a carbon steel pan, one Staub pot, a good kitchen and paring knife, one peeler, and I’d have some left for high-quality ingredients to experiment with myself. If I were more advanced, I would look into professional culinary institutes’ books. Everything in between is easily accessible on YouTube. An expensive book as beautiful as it is will never make a good cook; only good tools, ingredients, and practice will do.
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balfirevic3 个月前
One of the authors, Chris Young, has a great Youtube channel: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;@ChrisYoungCooks&#x2F;videos" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;@ChrisYoungCooks&#x2F;videos</a>
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skyyler3 个月前
It&#x27;s sold as a reference material, but the photography inside is beautiful.<p>Even if you think the techniques are outside of your reach, it&#x27;s a really lovely &quot;cookbook&quot; to look through.
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shalmanese3 个月前
A few months after the book launch, some marketing manager at Barnes and Noble decided to do a 50% off any book promo, not thinking too hard about it and it instantly spread through all the foodie forums.<p>Later on, they did the same promo but Modernist Cuisine was prominently listed as a book the promo didn’t apply to.<p>Anyway, that, my friends, is the story of how I made $313 impulse purchase.
galfarragem3 个月前
Being able to cook is an underrated skill - I&#x27;m always pointing this out - but starting here, no matter how glamorous it seems, is like starting with Shakespeare in a first English class for foreigners.
tyleo3 个月前
I’m surprised to see this on the front page! I posted this on a whim after buying Modernist Cuisine at Home last week. It’s essentially, “cooking for scientists and engineers” and has a great breakdown of ingredients, cooking tools, and why things are the way they are. It’s surprisingly written by Microsoft’s former CTO.<p>I shared the full version but haven’t read it. I’d highly recommend the home version if you are interested in cooking though.
m4633 个月前
This reminds me of another book, &quot;The 4 Hour Chef&quot; by Tim Ferriss.<p>Is it the opposite of Modernist Cuisine?<p>I thought of it as practical, not theoretical. Like: learn to chop vegetables. and don&#x27;t bother measuring stuff, learn how to grab a pinch of salt with your fingers quickly.<p>It struck me as interesting when the book tried not to be other cookbooks and tried to head off &#x27;failure getting started&#x27;.
kjellsbells3 个月前
I dont understand the hate for this book. A very smart and wealthy man spent a lot of coin geeking out on a passion. Doesnt seem very different from Jay Leno and his garage or Tom Hanks and his typewriters.<p>Compared to the ketamine and influence that our current billionaires spend their money on, it seems pretty harmless.
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fnordlord3 个月前
I&#x27;ve always wanted to check out these cookbooks but they are beyond my price threshold for cookbooks. For baking fans though, they did a great little podcast series to promote their Bread book a while back.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;heritageradionetwork.org&#x2F;series&#x2F;modernist-breadcrumbs&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;heritageradionetwork.org&#x2F;series&#x2F;modernist-breadcrumb...</a>
onename3 个月前
It seems Nathan Myhrvold also made a TED talk about it.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ted.com&#x2F;talks&#x2F;nathan_myhrvold_cooking_as_never_seen_before" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ted.com&#x2F;talks&#x2F;nathan_myhrvold_cooking_as_never_s...</a>
yumraj3 个月前
Most cookbooks seem to optimize for taste.<p>Are there any cookbooks that optimize for nutritional&#x2F;health value of food with a reasonable emphasis on taste? Not looking to be just pointed to vegan cookbooks.
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janmarsal3 个月前
I&#x27;m more of a post-modern chef myself
fumoto3 个月前
At $625 for the volume, beauty is a prerequisite.
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diego_moita3 个月前
This book is just pretentious and expensive bullshit. It is just hype to grab fools&#x27; money.<p>If you want to know how much &quot;science-infused&quot; is this cooking just look at any picture of its author. Nathan Myrvhold is obviously overweight, a sure sign that he doesn&#x27;t understand nutrition or basics of health science.<p>You don&#x27;t need spherification, sous-vide baths or ultra-speed blenders to make tasty and healthy food. All you need is lots of practice, good taste and good quality ingredients.<p>Developed countries have this weird obsession of over-engineering things that don&#x27;t need to be complicated. It is not only Americans that do that, Germans and Japanese are very much the same.
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zabzonk3 个月前
Forget all this crap - just get yourself a pan and a knife an Elizabeth David&#x27;s &quot;French Provincial Cooking&quot;: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.co.uk&#x2F;French-Provincial-Cooking-Elizabeth-David&#x2F;dp&#x2F;1904943713" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.co.uk&#x2F;French-Provincial-Cooking-Elizabeth...</a><p>And all her other books, if you can.
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LargoLasskhyfv3 个月前
Does it show how to stay free, and&#x2F;or reduce modernist contaminations, or is that intellectual venture part of the &#x27;molecular kitchen&#x27;?
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