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Sergey Brin says 60 hours a week is the 'sweet spot'

37 点作者 hakaneskici3 个月前

28 条评论

zdw3 个月前
Can I suggest an experiment?<p>Sergey could decide to be put in a shared cube farm for 6x 10s a week and see how long he lasts.<p>I think there&#x27;s a large difference between the fatigue invoked in work that is some variant of managerial &quot;in meetings where it&#x27;s low information hot takes 80% of the time&quot; work, and actual engineering work where drafting design documents, working on code, and context switching while waiting for CI or other compute intensive processes to complete, or for folks to do a code review.
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uptownJimmy3 个月前
I&#x27;ll not be taking advice on how many hours per week I should work from someone who doesn&#x27;t work at all.
patch_collector3 个月前
&quot;No amount of success at work makes up for failure at home.&quot;<p>I suppose 60 hours might be a good spot for someone who doesn&#x27;t have a family and isn&#x27;t interested in having one.
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nunez3 个月前
Hours worked isn&#x27;t the problem. It&#x27;s super easy to work a ton when the motivation is right.<p>Google becoming organizationally deadlocked is the problem.<p>It bears repeating: Google _basically invented_ the transformer architecture and were out-executed. Doesn&#x27;t matter whether people were working 40 hrs remotely or 100 hrs per week on-site; this is an organizational failure.<p>Anyway, it sucks to see Sergey sell out like this.
belter3 个月前
Previous discussion:<p>Google&#x27;s Sergey Brin Asks Workers to Spend More Time in the Office<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=43201709">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=43201709</a><p>Sergey Brin says AGI is within reach if Googlers work 60-hour weeks<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=43208890">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=43208890</a><p>Google&#x27;s Sergey Brin: Engineers Should Work 60-Hour Weeks in Office to Build AI<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=43211925">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=43211925</a><p>In memo to Google&#x27;s AI team, Sergey Brin says 60 hours a week is &#x27;sweet spot&#x27;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=43213982">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=43213982</a><p>Sergey Brin says RTO is key to Google winning the AGI race<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=43221105">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=43221105</a><p>60 Hours a week is the sweet spot of productivity?<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=43229125">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=43229125</a>
pmarreck3 个月前
You’d think that a guy this smart would know that the data not only disagrees with this, but that this rules out anyone with a family
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JTyQZSnP3cQGa8B3 个月前
I wish society frowned upon the stupid and degrading ideas of people like that ugly Bozo.
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justin663 个月前
The &quot;follow this formula exactly or you&#x27;re doing it wrong&quot; guide to overworking. Funny stuff.<p><i>He also warned against working more than 60 hours a week, saying it could lead to burnout, while calling out those who work less.</i>
dgeiser133 个月前
Anyone who makes C-suite money would have no problem working 60 hours per week for a few years. At the level of money making once you get burn out you just retire.
markus_zhang3 个月前
Well I&#x27;m all ears if I can get a job that I really love. Hour is not a problem. I can work 80, 100, you name it.<p>But until then I&#x27;m just going to work the maximum minimum that my employer is OK with.
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pixelpoet3 个月前
I definitely am not on the side of making policy of such work hours (it&#x27;s illegal to work more than 40 hours &#x2F; week and on Sundays [for most] here in Germany, and I support that), but to play devil&#x27;s advocate a little bit...<p>I feel I&#x27;ve benefited a lot from being really obsessed with certain programming projects earlier in life, &quot;worked&quot; (?) something like 80 hours per week, basically every waking hour, got well ahead of my peers and set up the great and relaxed career I enjoy now.<p>So actually in some ways, working your ass off early in youthful exuberance and then reaping the benefits later can be the &quot;lazy&quot; option, no?
ripped_britches3 个月前
If you want a team to work 60 hours, it’s definitely possible to filter hiring for workaholic types who genuinely love doing that. But it’s a really bad idea to force people who aren’t like that to maintain face in office.
newbie5783 个月前
Says the guy who was in retirement for the last 6 years. Unbelievable how intelligent people can sometimes be so obtuse.
readthenotes13 个月前
Observations that most people who are supposed to be on the clock 40 hours never got anywhere close to that amount of time working.<p>We have our fun games we have to check into Reddit Facebook other social media, not to mention actually talking or their coworkers about cat videos etc. The amount of work actually done during work is fairly small. Wrapping that up to 60 hours a week will probably just make the most people double down on figuring out how to make those bad hours more endurable
dingnuts3 个月前
I wish the Internet had actually turned out to be democratizing
akmarinov3 个月前
Pretty sure $10 million is the sweet spot for compensation too
amai3 个月前
Have you forgotten about this, Brin? It was invented at Google:<p>Nudge management: applying behavioural science to increase knowledge worker productivity <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;link.springer.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;10.1186&#x2F;s41469-017-0014-1" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;link.springer.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;10.1186&#x2F;s41469-017-0014-1</a>
xiphias23 个月前
It&#x27;s strange to have so much anti-sentiment here about the internal data that Google has.<p>Of course Sergey doesn&#x27;t have to spend 60 hours as he retired.<p>I have never been asked to work more than 40 hours when I was working at Google, I had amazing salary, and I knew that the people who are getting promoted over level 4&#x2F;5 were working on the weekends as well, 60 hours was just normal for them.<p>Google has enough data to see that the most productive engineers are the ones who spend so much time mastering their skill.<p>Also I believe an AI company (which Google categorizes itself as) can&#x27;t stay competitive with China if the 100 people in the core AI team work just 40 hours a week. For the rest of 100000 people it doesn&#x27;t matter that much, as they are working more on integration and less competitive stuff.
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lawn3 个月前
I don&#x27;t believe him. I&#x27;m sure forcing people to work more hours would be even sweeter for him.
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amai3 个月前
So driving to the office and back home is now counted as paid working time?
7e3 个月前
It sounds like Sergey is going to cause another exodus of talented employees to their own AI startups. Why anyone with talent would work at Google these days is beyond me.
pllbnk3 个月前
I hope people see what that really means. Corporations with historically record profits are laying off people and their largest shareholders now start these oppressing talking points.<p>First, they made people fight for scraps. If I make 50k but my colleague makes 75k, we must compete. If an acquaintance makes 200k because they chose the right path in high school, they must be really wealthy, therefore I must take that expensive car loan to not look like I am falling too far behind. While truly wealthy people live in the parallel universe and we don&#x27;t see them because they managed to isolate their lives so well from the normies.<p>Then, people must to go back to the office; I guess this one&#x27;s been ticked as successful in their minds.<p>Now, a new talking point emerges: you must work 60 hours to build a tool that will, hopefully, according to them, get you laid off.<p>We are speedrunning into a Neuromancer-type present with barely any resistance. Personally, I believe it&#x27;s a plutocrat&#x27;s utopia and won&#x27;t happen, but the cost of it will be a never-before-seen kind of revolution and crash, likely marked by war. In the end, nobody will benefit.
FpUser3 个月前
&gt;&quot;Competition has accelerated immensely and the final race to AGI is afoot&quot;<p>And of course Sergey needs to win since poor thing need another yacht for Mondays. And of course those ungrateful workers must work their asses off to help the &quot;needy&quot;.<p>Go fuck yourself Sergey.
Towaway693 个月前
996 anyone? [1]<p>Seems to be normal elsewhere, why not here in the West? What makes the &quot;workers&quot; here any different to those in other places?<p>This is globalisation, internationalisation and capitalism. Be thankful not to have to go down the mines to fetch the rare metals needed for the &quot;digital&quot; revolution. Nor working slave-like conditions making the fast fashion to glorify our individualised tastes and styles. Or having to work on container ships carry the cheap plastic products from China to the West. Those kind of jobs don&#x27;t have &quot;work from home&quot; clauses.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;996_working_hour_system" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;996_working_hour_system</a>
lousken3 个月前
Should&#x27;ve stayed in soviet union then
1970-01-013 个月前
Sergy has too much money for me to take him seriously.<p>Advice from back when he wasn&#x27;t wealthy is still good, but seriously, why would you take any working-class advice from a multi-billionaire? That would be <i>the most</i> out-of-touch advice you could receive.
hardwaresofton3 个月前
See also<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=43211925">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=43211925</a>
xnx3 个月前
I&#x27;m going to continue to shill for the billionaire in this instance: what&#x27;s the right number of hours to work on the most important technology of our lifetime (or maybe ever)?
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