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US Ends Support For Ukrainian F-16s

1184 点作者 ctack2 个月前

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lucasyvas2 个月前
I find some of the comments I’ve read today in this thread somewhat enlightening - there is intelligent conversation about the capabilities of the American hardware and its software.<p>The sophistication of the F-35 cannot be debated. But the rest of the world doesn’t trust the US anymore, so it doesn’t matter how good it is - people would gladly explore a worse product because they see it as lower risk.<p>That’s the reality of where America is at the moment. There are many Americans on Hacker News (if not the majority) and naturally the merits of the product that America produces are being discussed, and its superiority is front and center.<p>This viewpoint is not relevant to the rest of the world. We don’t want the US’ stuff anymore and the only thing that can save that relationship is full software control. If America wants to make sales it needs to adjust to that expectation, or buyers are going elsewhere.<p>The argument is missing the forest for the trees - the relationship is more important than the product itself. The sooner that is acknowledged the more likely a political course correction is possible. Otherwise, sure, you might see a few short term F-35 sales conclude. But the purchasing will stop as soon as it can.
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Animats2 个月前
Sweden will reportedly be supplying Ukraine with Saab-built Gripen fighters.[1][2] Maybe. Apparently Sweden has been holding off on transfer of 14 Gripens while Ukraine was learning to use and service F-16s.<p>The Gripen has advantages for Ukraine. It&#x27;s a more rugged aircraft, with lower maintenance demands and lower operating cost. It can operate from very basic airstrips and roads. Saab boasts about this.[3] Their pitch mentions that servicing an aircraft between missions requires just one trained tech assisted by five other workers. The USAF likes to operate from big, well-equipped, secure air bases, and US aircraft tend to be designed for that environment.<p>The US has, in the past, tried to discourage other countries from buying the Gripen, to protect US manufacturers. That sales advantage just disappeared.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;min.news&#x2F;en&#x2F;military&#x2F;a409faa4bc530b328f75ed6ccff23b7e.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;min.news&#x2F;en&#x2F;military&#x2F;a409faa4bc530b328f75ed6ccff23b7...</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;euromaidanpress.com&#x2F;2025&#x2F;03&#x2F;04&#x2F;saab-ceo-pushes-for-sooner-rather-than-later-swedish-gripen-jets-for-ukraine&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;euromaidanpress.com&#x2F;2025&#x2F;03&#x2F;04&#x2F;saab-ceo-pushes-for-s...</a><p>[3] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=QyD0liioY8E" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=QyD0liioY8E</a>
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tw23472882 个月前
I&#x27;m glad that this discussion finally takes place, even though the discussion is of course flagged.<p>You can flag here, but the mainstream press has picked up the issue:<p>&quot;Can the US switch off Europe’s weapons?&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ft.com&#x2F;content&#x2F;1503a69e-13e4-4ee8-9d05-b9ce1f7cc89e" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ft.com&#x2F;content&#x2F;1503a69e-13e4-4ee8-9d05-b9ce1f7cc...</a><p>&quot;Such is the concern that debate has turned to whether the US maintains secret so-called kill switches that would immobilise aircraft and weapons systems. While never proven, Richard Aboulafia, managing director at consultancy AeroDynamic Advisory, said: “If you postulate the existence of something that can be done with a little bit of software code, it exists.”<p>In practice, it may not even matter because of how already reliant advanced combat aircraft and other sophisticated weapons — such as anti-missile systems, advanced drones and early warning aircraft — are on US spare parts and software updates.&quot;<p>There you go, finally mainstream press and politicians are mentioning the kill switch.
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mrweasel2 个月前
So in the article, they talk about the AN&#x2F;ALQ-131 jammer. It needs to be updated by the US, to keep up with the Russia counter measures, that&#x27;s what&#x27;s stopping. At least the F-16 donated by Denmark will most likely have pylons from Terma (ECIPS), which should work with the CJS from Leonardo (ECIPS&#x2F;CJS).<p>Shouldn&#x27;t be to hard for Europe to make the required pylons for the planes who don&#x27;t have the ECIPS and for those that do, some of them might already have CJS installed.<p>It&#x27;s a problem for sure, but it&#x27;s a manageable one.
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RandyOrion2 个月前
When totalitarian governments all start applauding what you&#x27;re doing, using what you&#x27;re doing as a distraction from a bad domestic situation as well as a justification for their dictatorships, you should know that something is totally screwed up.<p>Yes, I&#x27;m talking about the totalitarian governments of China and Russia.
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tananaev2 个月前
Build trust for a hundred years. Then flush it down the drain in two months.
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dividedbyzero2 个月前
Today it&#x27;s Ukraine and F35s, who and what will it be in a year? I suppose European governments are taking a long hard look at strategic dependencies on the US right now, like the whole economy running on top of Microsoft and Google and other US-made SaaS. If all of that went dark at once, I honestly don&#x27;t know how some of the larger companies I know could keep operating. They all have fallbacks for critical infrastructure obviously but those are US-made, too...
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Springtime2 个月前
The article is written to give the reader the impression only the US can reprogram the jamming system and the comments seem to mostly be taking it at face value.<p>In the very Forbes article the OP&#x27;s article cites it links to info about this F-16 reprogramming effort[1], showing it was collaboration between the US&#x2F;Norway&#x2F;Denmark and that the US electronic warfare team wasn&#x27;t familiar with the system, yet within two weeks they say they managed to reprogram them to meet the initial deadline.<p><i>&gt; The 68th EWS assembled a dedicated team comprised of a mixture of seasoned experts and bright, young engineers to approach the reprograming challenge. Their first task was to understand the unfamiliar EW system and how to reprogram it.</i><p><i>&gt; Relying on data provided by Denmark and Norway, then adapting new processes and approaches to the usual process, the team was able to understand the system and start their work.</i><p><i>&gt; After understanding the system, the 68th EWS deviated again from normal methods and sent its members overseas to a partner-nation lab to collaboratively develop and test the system alongside coalition teammates.</i><p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dvidshub.net&#x2F;news&#x2F;479401&#x2F;dominate-spectrum-350th-sww-enables-ew-capabilities-ukrainian-f-16s" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dvidshub.net&#x2F;news&#x2F;479401&#x2F;dominate-spectrum-350th...</a>
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ta9882 个月前
And the story continues. This means that no country will want to buy F16s. If you don&#x27;t get support they are useless. They are eroding really fast the US shine and trust in the world. This is going to have a massive effect on the US economy, internal consumption will not save it. This is the end of an empire while its rich kings are golfing every weekend on the taxpayer dime using federal and local resources.<p>I am really amazed there are still almost half of the people able to twist reality to defend what is a direct attack against their own personal interests (they have proven already that other&#x27;s interests do not matter for them). This sounds like self-flagellation seen from the outside.
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sorokod2 个月前
The Danish air force is likely experiencing a buyers remorse about their batch of F35s.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Royal_Danish_Air_Force" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.m.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Royal_Danish_Air_Force</a>
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Simon_O_Rourke2 个月前
If I was a defense minister in Western Europe right now I&#x27;d go looking at whatever the Dassault, Saab or other European based defense tech can provide. I&#x27;d also immediately halt any pilot training in the US. I can see shares in Raytheon, Lockheed, etc. taking losses in the next couple of quarters, I mean here we have a president that won&#x27;t even spend money on its own defense tech for export, and is now actively shutting down that export market.
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grej2 个月前
European defence companies are about to see the biggest demand boom of our lifetime.
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Waterluvian2 个月前
I think this from French senator Claude Malhuret sums it up:<p><pre><code> This is a tragedy for the free world, but it’s first and foremost a tragedy for the United States. [President Donald] Trump’s message is that being his ally serves no purpose, because he will not defend you, he will impose more tariffs on you than on his enemies, and he will threaten to seize your territories, while supporting the dictators who invade you. </code></pre> I’ve thought for a while now that the U.S. has spent a long time building up subjective resources in goodwill, trust, reliability, etc. (you can certainly bicker about the details here). But with Trump, they’re cashing in on all of that. They’re selling the laptops and office chairs (sometimes quite literally) as a business strategy.<p>I think there’s a fatal misconception among many Americans about where their prosperity comes from. They’re not special or exceptionally capable by any means. It comes from wielding tremendous economic and military power gently, preferring cooperation over conquest.<p>My concern is that the consequences of the current strategy are too far into the future to act as a sufficient deterrent. It’ll feel like it actually works for a time. But then eventually everyone hates you and adapts to exclude you.
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TrackerFF2 个月前
Who would have thought that the POTUS would be the person to kick foreign arms industries into sixth gear?
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I_am_tiberius2 个月前
I wonder when European founders start switching from Azure&#x2F;AWS&#x2F;Google to domestic alternatives. I feel the risk of being thrown out all of the sudden increases every day.
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pacifika2 个月前
What’s the motivation, if the Russians have the strong cards in this upcoming peace negotiation the current administration feels the need to weaken the Ukrainian side equipment? Slice of the minerals?
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meindnoch2 个月前
Time for us in Europe to man up.
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fvrther2 个月前
France sending jets while the U.S. waves the white flag? Looks like the surrender baton just got passed westward.
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jopsen2 个月前
I&#x27;m not sure Denmark is going to cancel our F35 orders. From a security perspective, it&#x27;s certainly in our interest to pretend this isn&#x27;t a big deal. And that everything is normal.<p>But I&#x27;m not surprised that our prime minister recently did not leave out the possiblity of hosting nukes on Danish territory.<p>Given the theatre in the US one could even say we&#x27;ll need nukes to defend Greenland.
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joshdavham2 个月前
Regarding flagging: I think the worry is that, with all the political news constantly generated by Donald in the white house, HN might get submerged by politics constantly rather than the hacker-related stuff we all come here for.
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yctim2 个月前
This is a sign of a rapid decline of the US in the world stage, faster than I expected a year ago.<p>A new world order is being established and the US wouldn&#x27;t be a leader in that world.
hollywood_court2 个月前
Congratulations to Russia for winning the Cold War I guess.
niemandhier2 个月前
Could there be an orchestrated effort by volunteers to replace what the Americans were doing or does this rely on intelligence insight the Americans have?<p>In country if 40 Million desperate people as educated as the Ukrainians there should be quite the talent pool to try to hack this.
Element_2 个月前
And if the American defense sector wasn&#x27;t bruised enough from the last month, Elon musk was on social media this weekend claiming he could collapse the Ukranian frontlines by disabling Starlink and insulting the Polish foreign minister for buying Starlink systems...<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bsky.app&#x2F;profile&#x2F;tatarigami.bsky.social&#x2F;post&#x2F;3ljxhgc2k322o" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bsky.app&#x2F;profile&#x2F;tatarigami.bsky.social&#x2F;post&#x2F;3ljxhgc...</a> <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bsky.app&#x2F;profile&#x2F;tendar.bsky.social&#x2F;post&#x2F;3ljx3esi74k2h" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bsky.app&#x2F;profile&#x2F;tendar.bsky.social&#x2F;post&#x2F;3ljx3esi74k...</a>
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DFHippie2 个月前
People commenting here keep speaking as though Americans all decided to do this. Trump didn&#x27;t even win the majority of votes of those who voted. And those who voted for him had only the most nebulous idea of what doing this would mean. It meant something like &quot;Those people who never treated us with respect will get what&#x27;s coming. If they don&#x27;t love us they will fear us.&quot;<p>This happens all the time. &quot;Russia did X.&quot; &quot;The UK just did stupid thing Y.&quot; &quot;Why are Germans suddenly authoritarian again?&quot;<p>There are always lots of people who disagree with the actions of their government. Some governments -- the US government increasingly so -- punish dissent. Russians, for one, have almost no say over what their government does. Americans in general are not making these terrible decisions. Some cabal is, but even the Republicans, who have all the power at the moment, are mostly just knuckling under to decisions they know are terrible.<p>I know it&#x27;s tempting to blame and hate people as nations, but I don&#x27;t think it helps. In fact, it&#x27;s how we got here in the first place: firebrands telling nitwits that everyone in Europe or New York City or wherever hates them.
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upghost2 个月前
I&#x27;ve been unable to find a primary source confirming this information or providing technical details on the significance or consequences of the decision.<p>Every article I&#x27;ve seen parrots the same language and they all point back to this same article[1] as the source of the information, but the article itself provides no proof whatsoever or explanation.<p>This smells like propaganda. And it seems to be quite effective here. Before going for each other&#x27;s throats on this maybe it would be better if we verified the facts.<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forbes.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;davidaxe&#x2F;2025&#x2F;03&#x2F;07&#x2F;france-to-the-rescue-french-made-mirage-2000-jets-could-become-ukraines-most-important-aerial-radar-jammers&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forbes.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;davidaxe&#x2F;2025&#x2F;03&#x2F;07&#x2F;france-to-t...</a>
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d_burfoot2 个月前
The Ukraine Today article seems to be a copy of this Forbes article: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forbes.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;davidaxe&#x2F;2025&#x2F;03&#x2F;07&#x2F;france-to-the-rescue-french-made-mirage-2000-jets-could-become-ukraines-most-important-aerial-radar-jammers&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forbes.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;davidaxe&#x2F;2025&#x2F;03&#x2F;07&#x2F;france-to-t...</a><p>For additional context, here&#x27;s an article from August about how the USAF helped to upgrade the F-16 electronic warfare capabilities: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.airandspaceforces.com&#x2F;ukraine-f-16-electronic-warfare-us-air-force&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.airandspaceforces.com&#x2F;ukraine-f-16-electronic-wa...</a><p>The words &quot;lose support&quot; is carrying a lot of weight in this reporting.
pseudony2 个月前
Beyond being morally reprehensible (and it really is), this is a humongous own-goal.<p>I don&#x27;t think US arms manufacturers should expect many future orders from the EU.
simion3142 个月前
I remember when Europe was launching stuff in space and USA americans were calling this stupid and wasteful, they demanded Europe give th money to Elon
nabla92 个月前
Even if Trumpism is gone by 2028, nothing goes back to normal. We&#x27;ll see the raise of ITAR-free weapons systems from Europe and Asian &quot;former&quot; US allies and cooperation around the US.<p>What Trump and MAGA people don&#x27;t realize is that 11 carrier groups sailing around the seas alone are not that big a threat. Defence Cooperation Agreement (DCA) and Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) provide unsinkable airfields, supply depots for the US all over the world. They are massive power multiplier for the US military.
jacquesm2 个月前
Today your aircraft, tomorrow all your mobile phones. I&#x27;m pretty sure those could all be remote bricked.
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rich_sasha2 个月前
Right now every buyer of American kit is feverishly evaluating non-US alternatives.<p>Seriously, America, this is like Brexit but 1000x. A voluntary decision, taken with gusto, to chop off arms and legs and ears and fingers and whatnot, cut off the deadwood, be light and free, a lone vessel on the ocean of prosperity, free of the burden of the stupid foreigners who are the sole reason why everything was going wrong.
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maelito2 个月前
France&#x27;s Rafales just had an incredible sale boost.
sovietmudkipz2 个月前
I genuinely wish there was an understandable endgame for the USA. The USA seems to be throwing its weight around but I’m not entirely sure to what end. This headline&#x2F;article is just one area where the US is behaving perplexingly.<p>I understand that Trump wants Zelenskyy to sign the minerals deal and that implicitly there’s security guarantees. Fine there’s at least a through line. However; by demonstrating that the US is willing to revoke access to this war material during an active shooting war over some ego thing they’re showing allies who’ve invested in the US military equipment that they’re vulnerable to suffer this same fate. Now Europe is turning hard away from US tech.<p>To some degree this is a good thing, I think, from USA’s POV. Trump has said it’s unfair USA spends the most on NATO and that member states should pay more (how many don’t hit the 2% target). However; the point was to spend their 2% GDP on American armaments. Now Europe is taking their demand and money and investing in domestic military equipment. Which will inevitably beg the question in the coming years if NATO, a US establishment, is to be made redundant?<p>This US administration can’t seem to have their cake and eat it too. They want money, demand for their goods, but every time they act out they drive away their business partners.
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92834092322 个月前
Trump has had it out for Ukraine since he tried to bribe them. Telling them to find dirt on Biden or he would withhold military assistance. They didn&#x27;t go for it and it is what directly led to his impeachment. While Russia absolutely owns Trump, I believe Trump would do this even if they didn&#x27;t.
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davethedevguy2 个月前
This seems like a huge own goal for the US.<p>Who will want to buy American military technology, when the ability to employ it is at the whim of whoever wins the next election?<p>Especially as it&#x27;s clear now than any alliance with the US is fragile at best, and could end overnight depending on which side of the bed Trump wakes up on.
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ryao2 个月前
What stops the Russians from reprogramming their radars to switch to a different frequency every 5 minutes as specified by a CSPRNG? It seems like it would make the manual reprogramming of jammers pointless.
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dboreham2 个月前
There goes the US defense industry and thank you very much from Saab.
DrNosferatu2 个月前
The EU should buy - or even license produce - Swedish Saab Gripens to help the Ukrainians resist.<p>Low cost, simple to operate, and specially designed to fight Russian aggression.
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Chance-Device2 个月前
I think I’ll use this thread to make a prediction.<p>At the end of Trump’s term:<p>- Europe will still be using F-16s and F-35s<p>- The US will still be in NATO, and will still be actively committed to the alliance<p>- European defense spending will be massively higher, with manufacturing and supply chains that are far less easily disrupted<p>- The US forces deployed to Europe will still be there, but will be bolstered by more European troops<p>- Russia will have maintained its status as simultaneously a threat and a non-threat<p>- Whatever the outcome in Ukraine, suddenly, nobody will care. The media won’t talk about it, people will have largely forgotten, and some other controversy or distraction will be the story of the day.<p>All of which will nicely serve the broader long term interests of the United States.<p>As it always is, no matter who is in the White House.
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darthrupert2 个月前
Will America ever be trusted again?<p>Also, stop flagging news articles simply because they are slightly anti-Trump.
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zapnuk2 个月前
Let&#x27;s assume a Russian asset somehow becomes President of the USA.<p>What would he have done? How would he weaken the USA and strengthen Russia?<p>At this point, I don&#x27;t see a difference between Trump + GOP (leaders) and actual traitors.
physhster2 个月前
Really makes you wonder if that &quot;president&quot; could be teaming up with the other side...
mixxit2 个月前
it seems so sad that americans dont find it worth while to stand up to their president
ashoeafoot2 个月前
What a move to break the spine of us forces and industrial complex at the same time .
iamsanteri2 个月前
Hahahaha, do they even know what they are doing to their US hegemony?! This kind of short-term thinking leads to the US enemies laughing all their way into the bank. They don‘t even understand what they‘re losing here. If they don’t try to path-correct very soon this is the beginning of a gradual decline. Is the current U.S. leadership really that afraid? There is no reason to act like this otherwise. Or this is some very very incredibly smart way of ”peace through strength”. Go figure and good luck all.
k1kingy2 个月前
Donald Trump really should leave his fragile ego at the door and continue to support the USA&#x27;s allies at this time. People forget that it was Zelensky refusing to lie which led to Trumps first impeachment.<p>At the very least this entire 180 and the attempt to humiliate Zelensky in the White House is Trump wanting to enact some kind of revenge.<p>At the very worst him praising Putin, threatening to leave Nato, threatening other allies, moving troops out of Germany and into Hungary, et all just reeks of something more.. conspiracy theory or not it&#x27;s pretty disgusting as someone looking in from the outside.
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regularization2 个月前
I am tired of being taxed and having the money go to forever wars in other countries. Slaughtering Palestinians in Gaza, destabilizing Russia, and on and on. At least Trump is winding it down in one place. If Europeans think a hardline against Russia is important, then they can pay for it. We&#x27;re on the other side of the ocean.<p>This is why the Democrats lost. All they care about is war in the Ukraine. Bernie Sanders supports the war too, but at least he says a few scraps from the table should go to US workers. But he is thrown aside. The Democrats were for the Ukraine war, Jill Stein and Trump were not, and Americans voted for this.<p>Americans voted for this, Trump is implementing it, and all the warmongers and war profiteers and neocons have left is some neocon press and downvotes here for the majority American opinion which screwy old Trump is implementing.
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DrNosferatu2 个月前
I would be hard pressed to find decisions more helpful to Putin (and destructive to Ukraine) than what Trump has made so far.<p>In fact, it seems quite many others are asking the same questions - a US Senate Committee has just directly asked,<p>“is Trump a Russian asset”?<p>- via Forbes:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;ibfVfAETlmA?t=16s" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;ibfVfAETlmA?t=16s</a>
ozgrakkurt2 个月前
I don’t understand, why does the government of US has to give support for privately manufactured weapons. The company that sells the weapons should do that right?<p>Also what does US gain if all countries are using f16?
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justahuman742 个月前
This is going to make Australia think twice about those Virginia subs
Escornabois2 个月前
Hello,<p>Complete ignorant of strategy, international relations and power dynamics here.<p>Is it nagging anyone else that the &quot;Forbes Analyst&quot; gets called Aks, Aske and Ax in just 10 lines or it is just me?
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iancmceachern2 个月前
Other countries who fly then will fill in the gaps. They may start making replacement parts themselves, that&#x27;s what I would do if I were them.
PoignardAzur2 个月前
This is yet another &quot;People said the US would never do that, it would undermine their credibility too much, we shouldn&#x27;t spread FUD -&gt; oops, they did it anyway&quot; moment.<p>I&#x27;m hoping that people eventually understand that &quot;losing credibility&quot; isn&#x27;t a deterrent when the offending party is entrenched enough that they believe (correctly or not) that everyone will keep buying their stuff anyway.
finnjohnsen22 个月前
Trump just destroyed US advanced arms export. He is efficient at tearing things down, gotta give him that.
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cornhole2 个月前
capitulation will not bring peace
rwyinuse2 个月前
I think it&#x27;s time for foreign buyers of F-35 to evaluate that choice too.
syntex2 个月前
I wonder why Poland is still buying F35 and other European countries.
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duxup2 个月前
Trump administration is weakening the US faster than any enemy could.
hkyu122 个月前
So much warmongering going on here. The site where majority used to call to end US as world police, stop interfering and instigating overthrowing government now wants the opposite. This site is surely astroturfed or suddenly people have turned violent.
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throwaway467132 个月前
Meanwhile, Trump forgets what Aukus is, and one of his peoples is making concerned noises about whether it&#x27;s a good idea ([1]).<p>If the point is to piss off every single one of the US&#x27; allies in an any% speedrun, the current administration seems to be doing a pretty bang-up job of this.<p>It&#x27;s terrifying, though. The world&#x27;s (current) superpower might have a big military and all, but actively signalling that you don&#x27;t really need friends can only lead to a decrease in overall geopolitical stability, right?<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;2025&#x2F;mar&#x2F;09&#x2F;trump-pick-for-pentagon-says-selling-submarines-to-australia-would-be-crazy-if-taiwan-tensions-flare" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;2025&#x2F;mar&#x2F;09&#x2F;trump-pick-for...</a>
azalemeth2 个月前
Trump is really a disgusting human being. I&#x27;m not a US citizen but this looks an awful lot like treason -- he is actively helping an enemy of the state.
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smdyc12 个月前
Playing right into Putin&#x27;s hands.
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ashoeafoot2 个月前
Boeing is as good as bankrupt now?
EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK2 个月前
As russians say, pendosy tupyyye.
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tehjoker2 个月前
My suspicion is Trump is putting pressure on Zelensky (a) because he hates him personally and (b) because he wants an even bigger mineral rights deal. The thinking being, let Zelensky stew in it without U.S. help and suffer some humiliating defeats and let him come crawling back to the table so that he can sell of the majority of his country to the Americans, far more than the Russians will ever get.
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DrNosferatu2 个月前
The first steps are already underway, nevertheless the European Democracies should start a, new, NATO-like military Alliance on their own, but without Trump&#x27;s America.<p>(and without the notorious US-made military equipment kill-switch ability - like with the F16s here)<p>And while we&#x27;re at it, this time will be different: Instead of the membership criteria being anti-soviet communism, as in NATO, it should be effective Liberal Democracy - and - Freedom from Exceptionalist Exemptions, namely from the International Rule of Law. So, to be part,<p>1. Compulsory International Criminal Court membership and compliance - hence no exceptionalistic US, and no exceptionalistic Israel.<p>2. No &quot;Illiberal Democracies&quot;: say, for example, composite of a minimum 0.67 score on the WJP Rule of Law Index and others: therefore no Orbanic Hungary, and no illiberal others like it. Poland, Slovakia, Italy: time to make some hard choices if you want in.<p>3. Democratic backsliding removes you rights in the Alliance, and, can proportionally lead to outright expulsion.<p>Not one more new military equipment purchase from the US, (and dispreference for other non-qualifying nations procurement). Member nations should use their - substantial - industrial capacity to equip themselves with indigenous military materiel.<p>Hey, it would be actually great for the economy!<p>Initially European scope, but bridges to a broader global scope (or even a secondary sister-Alliance) with open-ended partnerships with Canada, Australia, New Zeland, Japan, South Korea, and yes: Taiwan.<p>US and&#x2F;or Israel want to join, if a more Democratic future selves? Simple: fully join the ICC, and meet the Alliance&#x27;s full criteria as every other member. Same applies for prospective new members.<p>Sweden shows how principled positions can be maintained while building serious defense capabilities. Now multiply that model by Europe&#x27;s combined industrial and technological base.<p>We just need the political will to execute - instead of just rolling over and wagging our tail to bullies.
abujazar2 个月前
I guess the Danes (just like us Norwegians) think the choice of F-35 rather than neighbouring allies&#x27; planes was wise... In contrast to the F-16, one can only assume that Trump &amp; co can basically disable the F-35 or at least render it completely useless for battle. Norwegian operation of the F-35 is even completely dependent on American personnel for years to come.
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guerrilla2 个月前
I love the irony that it&#x27;s the complete opposite of &quot;America First&quot; in practice.
m3kw92 个月前
America is turning into Russia in real time right now, it’s nuts and a lot of people is saying Trump is playing 6D chess
HumblyTossed2 个月前
The US has been compromised by Putin. It’s very clear for all to see.
tim3332 个月前
I&#x27;m wondering if the deal with Trump and Russia is just favours like they find investors for his questionable businesses and he helps them or if they do have kompromat? Apparently in the days they were entertaining him in Moscow it was quite common to provide hookers and film things and given Trump&#x27;s character it may not have been that hard to get him to go along. He always looks rather embarrassed with Putin.<p>Also it could explain this stuff which is hard otherwise.
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theahura2 个月前
Obligatory: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;open.substack.com&#x2F;pub&#x2F;theahura&#x2F;p&#x2F;the-five-year-old-test" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;open.substack.com&#x2F;pub&#x2F;theahura&#x2F;p&#x2F;the-five-year-old-t...</a><p>Trump is constantly failing the five year old test. A child could tell you that this is the wrong thing to do.
shmerl2 个月前
Does anyone still have any doubts that Trump is helping Putin? He consistently helps Russian fascists using &quot;boiling the frog&quot; method to avoid doing it too rapidly. But it&#x27;s still glaringly obvious.<p>Everyone who for voted for this scum should be blamed.
matt-p2 个月前
&quot;why did everyone stop buying our planes and weapons&quot;
paulsutter2 个月前
Am I reading this right? Nothing has been disabled, they&#x27;re no longer sending frequency updates? Not even clear if this is related to the current spat.<p>&gt; the Biden Air Force was able to keep up with the Russian adaptation by constantly tweaking the AN&#x2F;ALQ-131 frequencies, under Trump, Ukrainian pilots are not receiving updates, and the programs could soon become obsolete.<p>If so, title seems inflammatory. Not that I support the action, just saying it should be characterized accurately
ea550ff70a2 个月前
Fckd up
brianbest1012 个月前
Beyond sanity. The US breaking trust with the world will have repercussions for generations. This is a stupid decision
ctack2 个月前
@dang - why flagged?
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quelup2 个月前
The comments in this thread freak me out. Either the world&#x27;s media has brainwashed the population into believing America is failing and the &#x27;right&#x27; is evil&#x2F;dumb, or I&#x27;m totally delussioned (as an American) for seeing <i>mostly</i> good in what the current administration is doing. Both are terrifying.
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112358132134552 个月前
Could recent wars just be a worldwide plot for just accelerating economy (selling weapons, buying food, etc..)?
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yimby20012 个月前
They aren’t even useful the anti-air is too good for either side to use jets
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Gollapalli2 个月前
There’s a good reason for people to flag these posts.<p>It seems like most folks in the comment section didn’t even read TFA.<p>Per TFA, this impacts F-16s NOT F-35s<p>Per TFA, the US is not actively “turning off” any piece of equipment, they are no longer providing updates (something with which we are all familiar.<p>Per TFA, this means that the US is no longer providing active support in a country-vs-country battle of electronic warfare. Which is what the title and article says, and very different from what most of you actually READ.
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