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Contra Chrome: How Google's browser became a threat to privacy and democracy

130 点作者 OuterVale2 个月前

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xrd2 个月前
One of my favorite books is by this author: &quot;Understanding Comics&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Understanding_Comics" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Understanding_Comics</a><p>Even if you don&#x27;t like comics, it is an incredible take on how the brain processes images. Comics are art, more than anything else, about humans. And, this book is a work of art itself because it explains in detail how humans process images of other humans. I cannot recommend it enough.<p>And, if you are a computer scientist it provides an additional definition for closure, which was surprising to me.
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dominicrose2 个月前
There was a time when e-commerce was an enjoyable experience from a customer perspective. OK price for OK brands, no delivery issue, no need to contact the after-sales service and if there was a need for it they would do an OK job. Now everything feels fake and dysfunctional, from the brand names, products and marketing that seem to have been created from thin air 2 days ago, to bad delivery service of refusal to refund after an issue. Some companies force you into subscriptions. Some companies let you sell you stuff to others and don&#x27;t give you the money afterwards.<p>I stopped buying anything online. The only thing I pay for is the internet access itself. I&#x27;m not sure this hurts Google enough though.
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hello_computer2 个月前
The fundamental problem is that the browser is too complicated, and thus a natural monopoly. Severing Chrome from Google is simply to pass the peasant-beating stick to Apple. The solution is to cut browser functionality down to a size that more companies (or even individuals) can manage. Even though it’s open-source, googzilla (Google + their “nonprofit” antitrust insurance policy) adds hostilities faster than volunteers can remove them. Things only got this bad because Google has so much power over your visibility on the web. If they say “jump!”, most people are going to respond, “how high?”
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rpastuszak2 个月前
The comparison to two way mirrors is apt, and I used the same one when talking about social widgets used for mass data collection&#x2F; behavioural targeting.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;untested.sonnet.io&#x2F;notes&#x2F;xitterpng-privacy-friendly-embeds-and-one-way-mirrors&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;untested.sonnet.io&#x2F;notes&#x2F;xitterpng-privacy-friendly-...</a><p>Come to think of it, Chrome is not much different from a xitter embed circumventing the third party cookie blocking rules.
lima2 个月前
It&#x27;s impossible to read this without an awful lot of scrolling, even zoomed out...
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KORraN2 个月前
While I&#x27;m in Firefox camp, I hate the sensational half-truths in this comic. And why does it impersonate the original creator and Google Chrome team?
Tistron2 个月前
I am so ready to jump back to Firefox, and yet, still here in 2025, I had to go into about:config and fiddle to have it help me autofill CC details, and it doesn&#x27;t seem like it will remember the CVV for me, unlike chrome. And about:config isn&#x27;t available on the mobile version, so I can&#x27;t get that one to auto-fill any CC fields. So, given my choice of using Fx and having to remember my CC-details or take out my cred every time I buy something online, or use Chrome and have things just work smoothly, I&#x27;m sad to say that I&#x27;ll stick with Chrome for now. I don&#x27;t understand why they can&#x27;t just make this existing feature work for everyone (it&#x27;s somehow locked to certain countries that doesn&#x27;t include Sweden).<p>And if you think CC info is too sensitive to be remembered by the browser, I consider it a lot less sensitive than many of my passwords which I let it remember. I am assuming they know something about how to store this stuff in a secure way. And residing in the EU I can&#x27;t even use my CC at places that haven&#x27;t implemented 2FA for credit cards, like e.g. godaddy last I checked. I need to sign every transaction with my electronic bank id.<p>Are there other options out there for Browsers that aren&#x27;t Fx or Chrome? Which one is actually good (technically as well as ethically)?
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1vuio0pswjnm72 个月前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;contrchrome.com&#x2F;comics&#x2F;205&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;contrchrome.com&#x2F;comics&#x2F;205&#x2F;</a><p>&quot;Bananaz sez: SIGN IN FOOLZ!&quot;
flanked-evergl2 个月前
If you think someone can only have a good vote if they have a good media diet then you are the threat to democracy.
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distalx2 个月前
The monochromatic color scheme makes it a bit challenging to read. Adding some color variations might help improve readability for those of us with contrast perception issues. Just a thought!
rob742 个月前
(2022)<p>...also, threat to privacy, definitely yes, but to democracy? Unregulated social networks are a threat to democracy, but they could exist very well without Chrome.
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IX-1032 个月前
Oh, this steaming pile of FUD again. It combines a slick presentation with half-truths and misleading statements.<p>This article conflates data sent from Chrome to search and other public APIs with data sent from Chrome to Chrome APIs for metrics&#x2F;telemetry and safe search.<p>The data sent to Chrome APIs like Safe Search, UMA&#x2F;UKM, stored passwords, auto-fill data and Sync <i>cannot</i> be used to build an ad profile - thanks EU!<p>With that in mind, let&#x27;s go through the article.<p>1. The Omni-box: This data is sent to the Google Search API. So you shouldn&#x27;t type anything there that you wouldn&#x27;t send in Google Search. The article is correct here.<p>2. The amount of money Google gets from Chrome: very very little. The only source of revenue Google gets from Chrome are the ads on the Home page (if that&#x27;s not disabled). These are just normal ads and don&#x27;t get access to any special Chrome information. The article implies that Chrome is a significant part of the &quot;257 billion in revenue&quot;, but that&#x27;s not true. Google operates Chrome at a loss. Why does Google operate Chrome if it loses money? Because having a free and open web is essential to Google&#x27;s main business of search. If the web is hidden behind login prompts or Flash animations or take off entirely into an App then Google&#x27;s main business, search becomes much less useful (and therefore profitable). So Google is standing against the App-ification and Facebook-ization of the web (and also standing for it - big organizations are complicated and the right hand rarely knows what the left is doing).<p>3. Chrome does collect data about Chrome&#x27;s performance on the websites you visit (assuming you opted in to sharing anonymous metrics). This data heavily anonymized (dropping data that doesn&#x27;t appear for at least 50 users) and access is limited (need to know only). It is intended to be used to improve Chrome - finding slow things to make faster, things that use to much memory to use less, and to help fix things that crash the browser. It explicitly can&#x27;t be used for ads purposes and can&#x27;t even be shared outside of the Chrome teams. Each use case requires a separate privacy approval. This is also the case for any other Chrome APIs you might use (page translation, Sync, etc - really everything except the Omni-box).<p>4. Incognito protects against anything in the Omni-box being associated with your profile and uses temporary storage for all website data. Chrome still gets anonymous telemetry&#x2F;metrics, which is probably how the article justifies saying Chrome still collects data.<p>5. Google Chrome as a &quot;central hub&quot;. I honestly have no idea what this is trying to say. Yes, you use a web browser as a common way to visit many websites. If Chrome is a &quot;central hub&quot; for this then so.is every web browser.<p>6. Google maps. Yes, when you browse Google maps in Chrome, Google maps records what you look at, what your zoom level is and other things like that, but it&#x27;s nothing to do with Chrome. It does that for every web browser.<p>7. &quot;Your data is retained indefinitely&quot;. This is not true. Google has to follow EU law regarding information retention which places strict limits on how long information can be retained, even &quot;for business purposes&quot;. Chrome can&#x27;t keep non-anonymized data for more than a couple of months and anonymous data more than a couple of years. This is probably the most blatant lie in the piece.<p>8. Chrome bugs. The piece then refers to several Chrome bugs with privacy implications with scare quotes to imply they are intentional. This is very far from the case, as Chrome takes privacy very seriously. Chrome has a strong bug bounty program that pays users for reporting bugs like this to be fixed. If there were an intentional plan to add &quot;bugs&quot; for nefarious purposes then you would think they would fit a common theme or actually benefit Google in some way. Instead they just point to a couple of scary sounding bugs and wave their hands.<p>9. Manifest v3 - aka the end of ad block. This doesn&#x27;t prevent ad blockers. It just moves to a declarative API instead of a functional one for request blocking. This means that the extension just had to say, in advance, what requests to block instead of being called for each request on an ad hoc basis. This avoids about 4 inter-process calls for each resource request. Needless to say that makes browsing the web much faster. If Chrome were actually against as blockers then it wouldn&#x27;t ship with it&#x27;s own ad blocker, based on EasyList, which it uses to identify and body ads that significantly disrupt the use experience (violating ad standards or using too many resources).<p>I&#x27;m not saying that Chrome is the most private web browser - far from it, but I&#x27;d rather criticize them for what they are doing than for a bunch of stuff that they aren&#x27;t.<p>For instance, Chrome is likely going to be the last browser to get rid of third party cookies. Part of it is that Chrome was a bit late to the privacy party. The other part is that, since Google is also an advertiser, any major move they make that adversely affects advertisers can be seen as anticompetitive. The UK&#x27;s Competition and Markets Authority has delayed Chrome&#x27;s planned 3rd party deprecation by years and eventually forces Chrome to water it down into some sort of &quot;user choice&quot; thing that&#x27;s rolling out...sometime. And even when Chrome gets rid of third party cookies, there&#x27;s still the dumpster fire that is Related Website Sets allowing for some domains to effectively keep 3rd party cookie equivalents.
t0bia_s2 个月前
Title is clickbait. While comic nicely explain what is terrible with Chrome, those virtue signalling headlines wont help anything.<p>Chrome is made by private company with terms of use that you agree with by using it. If you don&#x27;t agree, don&#x27;t use it. That&#x27;s pretty much all you can do. Use competition and shape development by abandoning software with pathologic attitudes.<p>I find weird titling private companies as threat for democracy and privacy even though you are not obligated to use it. While government intervention threats are used against citizens under laws without possibility to opt-out.
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