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Ex-Facebook director's new book paints brutal image of Mark Zuckerberg

434 点作者 AntiRush2 个月前

32 条评论

wisty2 个月前
&gt; A Cautionary Tale of Power, Greed, and Lost Idealism<p>Has anyone ever seen Facebbok as idealistic? As far as I can tell, they&#x27;ve always been basically Amazon (the borg that will win at all costs) but a little more trivial, cool and Web2.0, they were never the &quot;don&#x27;t be evil&quot; Google, the idealistic Twitter, I can&#x27;t think of many less ideal driven companies.<p>Facebook beat MySpace IMO because it tricked people into using real names. It had the best network effect because of its real name policy (you could easily find people you knew), but it didn&#x27;t tell you about it, it just posted your name from the sign-up page, which was kind of a dark pattern at the time.<p>Facebook also had a tool that would let you give them your username and password for other sites, and would scrape contacts for you. But don&#x27;t try scraping your own contacts out of Facebook, that&#x27;s wrong.<p>Remember the apps, like zombie games? Facebook was not kind to 3rd party devs.<p>Facebook has always been ruthless and other than a bit of open source (PyTorch and React are nice, I guess) as far as I can tell it&#x27;s never really had any mission other than getting big.
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isoprophlex2 个月前
Good to have more people expose the greedy, dictatorial, detrimental shitshow that is single individuals having an outsized control over important technology. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Noone should be as big as Zuck, Musk, Altman, Bezos...<p>I had one moment of eyebrow-raising while reading the article. On the risk of blaming someone who was mind controlled into caring too much about ultimately unimportant, spiritually toxic shit:<p>&gt; Wynn-Williams’ critiques aren’t limited to Zuckerberg. She describes the working culture under Sandberg as so intense that Wynn-Williams felt pressured to send her talking points while in labor, her feet in stirrups.<p>My thinking is... can you put this 100% on Sandberg? I mean, I get that the culture is bad, but there&#x27;s two in this game. Maybe... turn off your phone for a day when you&#x27;re giving birth?!
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CaptainZapp2 个月前
She said Wynn-Williams’ allegations about Kaplan are false, and in a Thursday statement, she called the book “defamatory” and alleged that Wynn-Williams had <i>skipped “the industry’s standard fact-checking process.</i><p>(emph, mine)<p>This, coming from a Meta spokesperson, is rather rich.
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1vuio0pswjnm72 个月前
The author says Meta employees told her to let Zuckerberg win at board games because he does not like to lose. SBF recently told Tucker Carslon from prison he was surprised when inmates with no high school education beat him at chess. Zuckerberg and Bankman-Fried might make great cellmates.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;articles&#x2F;cly820v99ppo" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;articles&#x2F;cly820v99ppo</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;articles&#x2F;cq5zyq0250wo" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;articles&#x2F;cq5zyq0250wo</a>
gchadwick2 个月前
A dupe of my comment from another post on this (relating to the US arbiter ruling that she may not promote the book <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=43351949">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=43351949</a>)<p>People may be interested in the interview with Wynn-Williams (the whistleblower) on the News Agents podcast: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.globalplayer.com&#x2F;podcasts&#x2F;episodes&#x2F;7DrpKCA&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.globalplayer.com&#x2F;podcasts&#x2F;episodes&#x2F;7DrpKCA&#x2F;</a> (it&#x27;s a UK news&#x2F;political podcast very popular in the UK). From what they said at the beginning I think this is her first big podcast interview about the book&#x2F;her claims. I wonder if she chose a UK podcast because of the US arbiter ruling.
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MarceliusK2 个月前
The fact that Meta is aggressively trying to suppress the book just reinforces the point. If it were all &quot;misleading and unfounded,&quot; they wouldn&#x27;t need to fight this hard to bury it.
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rchaud2 个月前
&gt; she called the book “defamatory” and alleged that Wynn-Williams had skipped “the industry’s standard fact-checking process.”<p>Why don&#x27;t we let the community decide, instead of these bureaucratic, free speech-chilling &quot;fact checkers&quot;? If it&#x27;s good enough for your employer, it should be good enough for you.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.npr.org&#x2F;2025&#x2F;01&#x2F;07&#x2F;nx-s1-5251151&#x2F;meta-fact-checking-mark-zuckerberg-trump" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.npr.org&#x2F;2025&#x2F;01&#x2F;07&#x2F;nx-s1-5251151&#x2F;meta-fact-check...</a>
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paxys2 个月前
Don&#x27;t worry Zuckerberg is a free speech crusader. She can post all her criticism directly on Facebook and it won&#x27;t be removed, whether it is true or not.<p>Oh Facebook is taking her to court to block her speech? Hmmm..
2muchcoffeeman2 个月前
Hahahahahaha, sore over losing in Ticket to Ride and Catan. Those aren’t even “serious” games.
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dang2 个月前
Recent and related:<p><i>Meta is trying to stop a former employee from promoting her book about Facebook</i> - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=43349473">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=43349473</a> - March 2025 (104 comments)
KaiserPro2 个月前
Can anyone answer this question, assuming its answerable:<p>if they signed a mutual non-disparagement agreement, and they are currently using that agreement to stop a publication, if meta goes and breaks that agreement, doesn&#x27;t that nullify the contract?
baxtr2 个月前
This triggers my cautionary nerve a bit. I think it is important to recognize that she wants to sell a book.<p>I am not saying she isn&#x27;t doing this because she has a cause. I am also not saying she is lying or anything.<p>But if you sell a book you can&#x27;t deny that there might be a conflict of interest. <i>Potentially</i> she paints things more extreme than they really were.
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Neil442 个月前
All else aside Zuck was basically a kid when the whole Facebook rocket ship ride took off. Nobody is their best self all day every day. Personally I always thought he came over as kind of an asshole but you have to keep hit pieces like these in the right frame. The shortest accurate answer to what&#x27;s Zuck like is &quot;I never met him&quot; the rest is just clicks and hot air.
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ViktorRay2 个月前
One section of this article seems intellectually dishonest.<p><i>“Over one dinner, Zuckerberg said Andrew Jackson — known for his populist appeal and his inhumane relocation of Native Americans — was America’s best president and “it’s not even close,” according to Wynn-Williams. ”</i><p>There are many reasons someone could have a person be a favorite president. It’s unfair to bring up the worst thing a president did in response to someone saying that this president or that president is their favorite.<p>For example I have liberal friends who say FDR is their favorite president. It would be unfair to say then “FDR known for throwing Japanese people in internment camps was the favorite president of Joe Smith!”<p>I have friends who say Obama was their favorite president. Imagine someone saying “Obama who killed thousands through drone attacks was the favorite president of Jane Smith!”<p>Anyway when it comes to Andrew Jackson specifically I had a libertarian friend in high school who was a big fan of him because he helped eliminate the Bank of the United States. I was in high school taking AP US History around the time Ron Paul was running for president so I believe my libertarian friend was connecting Ron Paul’s opposition to the Federal Reserve with Andrew Jackson’s anti Bank of US policies.<p>I don’t know why Zuckerberg likes Andrew Jackson so much. I wish the article had said it.
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soupfordummies2 个月前
The irony of Meta trying to stop her from promoting the book is that it&#x27;s... promoting her book. Any press is good press etc.<p>This book prob wouldn&#x27;t have even blipped my radar were it not for all of these stories about how they&#x27;re trying to stop it.
dzonga2 个月前
you don&#x27;t become a global ceo without being an absolute killer and not having non-questionable morals. I can make up different stuff about how a ceo can be amoral, and those would still apply to zuck &#x2F; {{ whoelse }} book meant to be sold at airports for bored people. non-story.
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stackedinserter2 个月前
What&#x27;s up, old baits like &quot;ZUCKERBERG TRIED TO STOP THIS BOOK&quot; don&#x27;t work anymore?
tucnak2 个月前
On a different note; it&#x27;s funny how otherwise reasonable people (on HN but also in general) become stereotypical gossiping girls whenever there&#x27;s expose on %famous_person% or a cheap ideological position to have fun with. Woah, corporate America sure rewards the fucked-up people! We do, indeed, live in a society. Chirp chirp
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-__---____-ZXyw2 个月前
Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard<p>Zuck: Just ask.<p>Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS<p>[Redacted Friend&#x27;s Name]: What? How&#x27;d you manage that one?<p>Zuck: People just submitted it.<p>Zuck: I don&#x27;t know why.<p>Zuck: They &quot;trust me&quot;<p>Zuck: Dumb fucks.
kumarvvr2 个月前
We still haven&#x27;t found out how to use the internet to socialize, without resorting to giving power to a central entity.<p>If there is something out there that can do this, profitably, then we can kiss these mega social giants good bye.<p>I heard about the Blue Sky protocol, but it still feels primitive.
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croes2 个月前
Aut Zuck, aut nihil.
piokoch2 个月前
What&#x27;s a surprise, a guy who has stolen startup from Winklevoss brothers and had to settle the case in the court has a &quot;brutal image&quot;. Who would&#x27;ve expected that!
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pc862 个月前
1. I hate these &quot;click-and-hold&quot; &quot;bot&quot; &quot;detectors&quot; that takes 6, 7 seconds or longer to complete.<p>2. Making me do it three times in a row is just obnoxious.
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kelnos2 个月前
Not really surprised. It&#x27;s good to have more people talking about how these people act out of the public eye. But all of this makes me a little less optimistic, and just reminds me that powerful people are rarely held accountable for all the messed up stuff they do.
OrangeMusic2 个月前
Is anyone surprised by this?
ksynwa2 个月前
My conception of world conquering ambition comes mostly from popular media so trying to imagine Zuckerberg trying to become the world&#x27;s stenographer through a platform that is 90% boomer-bait AI slop is a bit disorienting.
blogabegonija2 个月前
After all what Meta did? Who could have thought. And yet people love to upload photos of their children on pedobook.
wnevets2 个月前
&gt; Has anyone ever seen Facebbok as idealistic?<p>In my experience they were react coders
tasuki2 个月前
Yes, well, she was fired. I&#x27;m sure she&#x27;s completely unbiased.<p>If it was so bad, why did she work there? She was a senior executive, not a wage-slave.
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lvl1552 个月前
This place worships Zuck because he apparently “open sourced” AI. It’s the most ridiculous narrative on its own but we also live in the most absurd moment in history.
abc123abc1232 个月前
Sounds like a disgruntled social justice warrior. I avoid such people at all costs. They quickly make the environment extremely toxic!
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readthenotes12 个月前
&quot;Joel Kaplan, had sexually harassed her. ... and Kaplan, the company’s newly appointed president of global affairs;&quot;<p>Nominative determinism?<p>--<p>On a different note, Obama, the ex-president with theoretically no official power, is calling up CEOs privately to get them to behave differently?<p>Seems like the Twitter files weren&#x27;t the only corporate being influenced
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