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Apple will soon support encrypted RCS messaging with Android users

321 点作者 01-_-3 个月前

25 条评论

oneplane3 个月前
So essentially, it&#x27;s not really an Apple thing, it&#x27;s more that the universal RCS profile just didn&#x27;t have encryption, and Google RCS was a non-standard extension that nobody else was allowed to use.<p>The real news is the update to GSMA RCS, because without that, none of this matters. What I&#x27;m missing in the article is who&#x27;s going to own the keys and why this is probably going to default to the telcos as if it&#x27;s MMS. Are they going back to the days of charging per message?<p>With iMessage you&#x27;d be putting your trust in Apple, with Google RCS you&#x27;d be putting your trust in Google. For WhatsApp that&#x27;d be Meta and for Signal that&#x27;s Signal. But with GSMA RCS?
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lxgr3 个月前
I really, really, really hope RCS doesn&#x27;t make it as a standard.<p>Now that it&#x27;s end-to-end encrypted, it&#x27;s slightly better than SMS, but it&#x27;s still laughably incapable compared to decades-old protocols that support multiple devices, phone-number-independent identifiers, self-hosting, have open implementations and non-insane specifications etc.<p>As it is, RCS is just Google Talk (Google runs most of the infrastructure), but tied to a single device (no messaging from your laptop or tablet if your phone battery dies!) and impossible to use without a phone number.<p>It makes me really sad to see that even technical audiences don&#x27;t see the long-term plan here: Cementing the use of phone numbers instead of email addresses as the primary identifiers in people&#x27;s digital lives, and making the closed, carrier and Google operated RCS ecosystem the ultimate replacement for email and other open web standards for B2C and P2P messaging. (Yeah, most people already use Gmail, but the point is that self-hosting email is at least still possible, and there&#x27;s still relatively free competition of sending service providers; with RCS, there&#x27;s no chance to play without paying the cartel.)
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alwayslikethis3 个月前
Unfortunately, RCS on Android requires google apps, so this isn&#x27;t really a solution to anyone who doesn&#x27;t want to be tracked by Google everywhere they go.<p>I&#x27;m still a little confused as to what problem RCS is supposed to solve. It is just as centralized as any other chat app, and is a bit more invasive (often requiring device attestation). Is it really worth all this hassle just to not have to install, let&#x27;s say, Signal?
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mrweasel3 个月前
Why was RCS even designed with a none encrypted mode? I get that the original spec isn&#x27;t exactly new, but it&#x27;s also not so old that encryption, security or privacy wasn&#x27;t an issue.
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codedokode3 个月前
It is good that commercial messengers forced GSM association to finally create E2EE standards. The reason why telcos want you to use RCS becomes obvious if you calculate how much 1Gb of data costs if sent as SMS (I guess that one could buy a car with this money).
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eknkc3 个月前
It’s funny that everyone bashed Apple for their lack of RCS support and now that they have it, all posts seem to indicate RCS is a shit standard at best. I have no idea if it is but that’s the impression I got.<p>I guess it was just a talking point to shit on Apple’s approach?<p>I don’t care anyway. Here everyone uses WhatsApp so RCS is not important but just an outsider observation.
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psnehanshu3 个月前
When I enabled RCS on my Android, I started getting ads with rich media. So I disabled it. And moreover WhatsApp is the dominant messaging app in my country. So this doesn&#x27;t matter.
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ebb_earl_co3 个月前
This is great in principle. I still prefer Signal as the top-shelf experience of iOS—Android communication.
kstenerud3 个月前
Fortunately, this doesn&#x27;t really affect those of us outside of the USA, since we&#x27;ve long since moved on.
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criddell3 个月前
When an iPhone sends a message to 555-1212, where does the iPhone get the public key for that number?
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tengbretson3 个月前
Still waiting on a non-Google implementation of this so-called standard.
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lxgr3 个月前
Does anybody know how the trust model for this looks like? Is it trust on first use together with a notification if a contact&#x27;s key changes, a centralized key server (if so, who runs it, and is there key transparency), or just opportunistic encryption not protected against active attackers in the middle?
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867-53093 个月前
&gt;While Apple’s proprietary iMessage system already supported E2EE, this wasn’t extended to RCS messaging because the previous RCS standard didn’t provide cross-platform support. Google Messages also enabled E2EE by default for RCS texts, but only conversations between Google Messages users were E2EE, and not those exchanged with iMessage users or users of other RCS clients on Android.<p>this dances around, but does not seem to answer, the big question of whether android will get iMessage or not?
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g-b-r3 个月前
This is a risky clause:<p>&gt; R5-32-5 An RCS client having E2EE enabled shall implement techniques to detect suspicious messages or conversations.
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WorldPeas3 个月前
Any news on if&#x2F;when one will be able to send RCS from a program or device outside the monolith?
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snowwrestler3 个月前
Now if only we could get Google to support RCS in Google Voice.
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oblio3 个月前
I&#x27;ve disabled RCS. RCS groups are used for spam. Unknown numbers in random countries add me and many other numbers to said groups, send spam and then quit the groups.<p>And there is no recourse.
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geomcentral3 个月前
Is it possible that we&#x27;ll see non-smartphone devices (eg dumbphones) being able to interop with Apple and Google through the same end-to-end encrypted protocol?
qrush3 个月前
Still waiting for Google Fi to turn RCS on for iOS users :(
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preya2k3 个月前
I’ve been reading about RCS for maybe 10 years now, yet it’s not really available&#x2F;usable for everyone? It feels like Vaporware at this point.
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qwertox3 个月前
&gt; We’ve always been committed to providing a secure messaging experience<p>This is why iMessage is such a great experience on Android. They don&#x27;t even try.
vitorgrs3 个月前
Well... they also need to expand to more than just a few countries. Here in Brazil there&#x27;s no iPhone RCS support at all.
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RataNova3 个月前
Seeing Apple openly collaborate on an interoperable standard is refreshing
thumbsup-_-3 个月前
it already is supporting it. I have been already receiving messages on my iphone with RCS written around them
thomascountz3 个月前
Announcement discussion from 2023:<p>Apple announces that RCS support is coming to iPhone next year<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=38293082">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=38293082</a><p>793 points | 709 comments
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