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Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline

1952 点作者 maelito大约 2 个月前

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nchagnet大约 2 个月前
This is a really great project from both the French and German governments.<p>I think state-funded open source solutions to digital platforms is a fantastic opportunity to get away from the big tech walled gardens. Of course, there is always the risk that this becomes unmaintained in the future, but the community at least can take over. But until then, it&#x27;s a nice platform and a nice contribution to the community.
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virdev大约 2 个月前
Hey everyone! I&#x27;m the PM working with the Docs team. Thanks a lot for the kind words, we&#x27;re as excited as you to be working on such a cool project. We didn&#x27;t expect to get posted so soon on HN. We still have a lot to do in terms documentation and reusability. But we&#x27;ll be working a lot on that next week. We&#x27;ll keep you posted here. Again thank you everyone!
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thor-rodrigues大约 2 个月前
I really like the idea of shifting the business model for office software. Instead of the current model—where companies develop a tool, lock users into their ecosystem, and profit by bundling software with hosting and storage—we could move to a model where different providers compete to offer the best deployment solutions. This would foster competition based on factors like pricing, encryption, customer support, server location, and integration flexibility, rather than simply forcing users into long-term subscriptions.<p>That’s why I’m glad to see governments supporting Open Source alternatives to proprietary office software. Paying recurring subscription fees for low-maintenance tools like MS Office feels out of touch—especially when Microsoft once offered a one-time purchase model before shifting to SaaS to maximize profits. This change has made it difficult for individuals and businesses to retain long-term ownership of their tools without being tied to costly and recurring fees. The same trend has played out across the software industry, from design tools like Adobe Creative Cloud (which replaced one-time purchases with a mandatory subscription model) to communication platforms like Slack and Zoom, which lock companies into ongoing costs while limiting interoperability with other solutions.
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dkobia大约 2 个月前
I love this. Open source projects often suffer from a combination of a funding crisis and maintainer burnout. I think state funded open source projects are a wonderful idea!<p>By investing in open source projects, governments can create more efficient, transparent, and innovative digital services. If anything I’m sure it’ll save tax payers money on expensive licenses paid to a company in another country.
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maelito大约 2 个月前
This tool is part of a WIP complete suite of tools for public agents called &quot;La suite numérique&quot;.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr</a>
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remark5396大约 2 个月前
There are already quiet a few softwares that claim to be Notion alternatives or seem to be:<p>- AppFlowy: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;AppFlowy-IO&#x2F;AppFlowy" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;AppFlowy-IO&#x2F;AppFlowy</a><p>- AFFiNE: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;toeverything&#x2F;AFFiNE" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;toeverything&#x2F;AFFiNE</a><p>- SiYuan: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;siyuan-note&#x2F;siyuan" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;siyuan-note&#x2F;siyuan</a><p>- Trillium Next: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;TriliumNext&#x2F;Notes" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;TriliumNext&#x2F;Notes</a><p>- AnyType (only clients are source available): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;anyproto&#x2F;anytype-ts" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;anyproto&#x2F;anytype-ts</a>
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sylvinus大约 2 个月前
Hey. A few developers from the team are on HN and will be happy to answer any questions here!<p>We also made a small scratchpad you can use to test collaboration features, if it doesn&#x27;t get too flooded :) <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;docs.numerique.gouv.fr&#x2F;docs&#x2F;a3f0becc-f2b7-45be-a5e5-bf6c9d984820&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;docs.numerique.gouv.fr&#x2F;docs&#x2F;a3f0becc-f2b7-45be-a5e5-...</a>
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mrweasel大约 2 个月前
Looking at how much infrastructure needs to be spun up, I don&#x27;t really see this as a good solution for personal note taking. If you use the Docker environment, you spin up 10 or more containers... including KeyClock. I get that this is intended to by hosted by a company or an organisation, but plenty of people are using Notion just as individuals.<p>Most people would be better of with Obsidian, Bear, Notion or even Apple Notes.
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mgkimsal大约 2 个月前
The closest we get is something like USDS, which then gets hijacked in to DOGE.<p>Open source software built and supported by a national government is inspiring. Are there more examples of this I&#x27;m not aware of? I hope so.
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replwoacause大约 2 个月前
It really feels like we are in a time where EU countries are taking front and center on the world stage with cool, progressive and unified stuff, and the US is in the ally snorting crack. Saying this as a disappointed American. But yeah…really cool to see governments collaborating this way.
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rtpg大约 2 个月前
Having both the Notion-like UI and the real time collaboration is exciting! So much stuff has been either&#x2F;or, and it made it hard for me to find a good alternative.<p>I really appreciate how Notion is basically &quot;what if Google Docs but you can actually organize your information&quot;. The collaborative components feel really powerful.<p>I do kind of wish that something that was more ... Wiki-flavored would show up though. I like confluence, it&#x27;s just mega slow!
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wuming2大约 2 个月前
The reality is nowadays few documents need desktop publishing features. Because seldom if ever become paper documents.<p>Also the average back office author knows a tiny fraction of Microsoft Word or Excel features.<p>Give them means to type in text, add pictures and collaborate. Templates for beautification. That’s all what is needed.<p>This has been known for ages. Alas Microsoft has a grip on governments and large orgs we know little about. CERN is an example.
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piokoch大约 2 个月前
&quot;Simple collaborative editing without the formatting complexity of markdown&quot;<p>It is incredible that nowadays Markdown is considered &quot;complex&quot;.
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evaneykelen大约 2 个月前
Outline is also open source (or at least “source available”): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;outline&#x2F;outline" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;outline&#x2F;outline</a>
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ctrlp大约 2 个月前
I just cannot understand the appeal of these browser based note taking apps. Notion, Obsidian, Outline? Is it the collaboration feature? Why not just use Google Docs or equivalent?<p>For notes, I don&#x27;t see the appeal of having a browser interface. I just put my notes in a text file. No protocol, just search for text strings or text tags. If I need hierarchical organization, I use directories. What am I missing out on?
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cloudking大约 2 个月前
Docmost is another open source option <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.docmost.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.docmost.com</a>
jjice大约 2 个月前
It feels like notetaking&#x2F;wiki software have gotten a resurgence in the last few years. Not that it was ever not a thing, but like a new generation of people realized wanted to build new tools for it.<p>Personally, I think the variety of tools is very interesting, and while I like Obsidian and plain markdown file, I do love to see different options in the space with hosted options and different capabilities.<p>Notion feels like it&#x27;s got this serious range from individuals up to teams at large enterprises. It&#x27;s incredibly flexible and configurable and I have to assume that&#x27;s a big part of it, but it was so interesting to watch it eat away at other things like Confluence over the years. My perspective is probably skewed (and I know Confluence and other are probably still massive and dominant), but I&#x27;m surprised such a simple concept is getting so much more software. Or actually, that&#x27;s probably why it&#x27;s a space with so much software.
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TheDong大约 2 个月前
Anyone know the system requirements?<p>I got bit by notion when I assumed my recent i7 would be enough for it to keep up with my typing speed, but after a few pages of notes, notion uses 100% of a core and input lags considerably....
xyst大约 2 个月前
Wonder how good this is at resolving merge conflicts:<p>&gt; Offline? No problem, keep writing, your edits will get synced when back online<p>Have been burned too many times in college.<p>person 1: is updating doc<p>person 2: is updating doc<p>person 3; updating doc<p>(( doc reaches a dozen pages ))<p>person 3 loses internet connection but everyone else continues working<p>Person 3 adds and edits a handful of pages while offline while #1, #2 keep chugging along.<p>#3 internet is restored and now the system attempts to merge in their changes and sync changes from #1, #2. At the same time, #1, #2 receiving updates from #3<p>Now chaos ensues as the system is throwing a shit ton of errors and old changes getting reverted. Immediate showstopper.<p>Not so fun times. And a lesson learned.
photonios大约 2 个月前
I love that this is funded by the French&amp;German government. Go Europe! Wonderful to see. My only wish is that other EU governments (my own included) would invest even more into projects like this.
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kalipso大约 2 个月前
Anyone knows if there is something like that with heavy focus on privacy? basically decentralized offline first, end2end encrypted collaborative note taking&#x2F;knowledgedb is something iam looking for.
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imoreno大约 2 个月前
From the top of the readme:<p>&gt; without the formatting complexity of markdown<p>Really, markdown is complicated of all things?
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piokoch大约 2 个月前
That&#x27;s a nice shot, that probably is not going to change much. This is a neat alternative for Notion if you are small company, but with strong IT team that will maintain installation (all the boring stuff from updates to backups).<p>If you are 20 person startup then Notion will cost you around 200 Euro per month. Having Docs installation will be cheaper? Will 200 Euros cover the expenses? I am afraid the math is not on the Docs side.<p>First question that any bigger organization will ask is: how SSO will work, what is the integration with our company LDAP, etc. If they hear that well, install Docs for yourself and figure out integration by yourself no manager would agree to use Docs, as from his or her perspective it is cheaper, less risky to go with something like Notion. It is also true even with gov administration or public universities, they also operate within IT infrastructure and they gladly take something free, but it must integrate with that IT infrastructure. If not, this is not an option.
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ykonstant大约 2 个月前
It would be fascinating if it could add LaTeX support!
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joking大约 2 个月前
I like almost everything from this project, even the documentation and development is being done in the open, with design docs like this: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.figma.com&#x2F;design&#x2F;qdCWR4tTUr7vQSecEjCyqO&#x2F;DOCS?node-id=7754-20045" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.figma.com&#x2F;design&#x2F;qdCWR4tTUr7vQSecEjCyqO&#x2F;DOCS?nod...</a>
bryanhogan大约 2 个月前
Does this provide database functionality like seen in Notion?<p>I&#x27;m always disappointed by note-taking tools calling themselves a Notion alternative when they do not provide an alternative to Notion and are instead just another note-taking tool with a simple UI.<p>If you want to be a Notion alternative provide the things that make Notion great, e.g. the database functionality. It&#x27;s okay to be a simple colaborative notes tool, but that is not a Notion alternative.
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Imustaskforhelp大约 2 个月前
Why am I starting to believe that france is now more culturally shited towards being a new super power in this multi polar world instead of USA.<p>Seriously , I never used to really think about france that much , but Emmanuel Macron correcting trump on live air really made me trust france more as a non US citizen.
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bzg大约 2 个月前
For more Free Software developed within the French public sector, check <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;code.gouv.fr&#x2F;sources&#x2F;#&#x2F;awesome" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;code.gouv.fr&#x2F;sources&#x2F;#&#x2F;awesome</a>
aetherspawn大约 2 个月前
I’ve been looking for something like this that also has a Whiteboard feature (think Miro) to deploy self-hosted at a small business.<p>It has taken me these places:<p>Obsidian - has whiteboard, but not collaborative. Sync plugin cannot be self hosted. Open source sync doesn’t have user management.<p>Affine - ditto. Also not completely open source.<p>Logseq - ditto. Some text editing features require advanced knowledge of databases to use (ie writing query) making it difficult to deploy to non-technical staff.<p>Excalidraw - whiteboards only.
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frenchtoast8大约 2 个月前
For a while I&#x27;ve been searching for a note taking app that<p>* Allows more than one user editing the same page at once<p>* Is accessible on a mobile device (either app or mobile browser)<p>* Can be at the very least viewed in read only mode if disconnected from the internet<p>The last point is the most important to me and frustratingly has been the most elusive for me to find. For now I use Notion with the hopes they implement it eventually. I can&#x27;t consider switching to a self hosted alternative without the last point.
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shyang大约 2 个月前
There is also HedgeDoc (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hedgedoc.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hedgedoc.org&#x2F;</a>). I found it useful for (1) collaboration, and (2) being able to write in the Markdown syntax w&#x2F; side-by-side rendering. (Discussed here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=31645045">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=31645045</a>)
maxloh大约 2 个月前
It seems that the editor is supported by ProseMirror.<p>Kudos for their work!
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blacklight大约 2 个月前
This got me genuinely interested - until I cloned the project and saw the docker-compose file.<p>Minio + Celery + 4-5 services just for the main app + Keycloak?<p>I&#x27;m sorry, but this isn&#x27;t something that &quot;anyone can run&quot;.<p>This is something that requires a beefy server and someone who can manage microservice architectures with 10+ services.<p>I&#x27;m not sure why all of those services are requirements for the app.<p>I don&#x27;t know why you need an S3 provider and a federated identity manager to run something that looks like Notion.<p>I don&#x27;t know why you need to split the app into 5 microservices.<p>And I honestly don&#x27;t think that all of this overhead is needed.<p>I&#x27;ll give Docs another look if it decides to trim some of this bloatware.
jxf大约 2 个月前
I like this! One note: I think the README would also benefit from having a (crowdsourced?) list of providers that offer (or will soon offer) Docs as a hosted offering. Many users of collaborative editing tools aren&#x27;t sophisticated enough to actually host an instance.
chanux大约 2 个月前
Gives Etherpad vibes!
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rayrrr大约 2 个月前
For my data engineers, some similes: basic note taking apps like Joplin are like a data warehouse. Notion is like a data lake. What we need is something like a data lakehouse. Hopefully this might be it.
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BOOSTERHIDROGEN大约 2 个月前
Upon reviewing the Docker Compose, I noticed a large number of containers. Although this could be seen as negative feedback, I view it as a challenge and make time to address it as a self-hoster.
kowalej大约 2 个月前
Was just thinking how my team can get off current Notion lock in, this looks promising. Might be able to contribute as well, being a Django shop.
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crazygringo大约 2 个月前
I&#x27;m intrigued by the decision to call it &quot;Docs&quot;.<p>In any other circumstance it would be a clear trademark infringement on Google Docs. It&#x27;s literally the same product with the same name, it has an extremely similar logo and almost exactly the same typeface in its logo.<p>But since this is a government project between France and Germany, maybe governments are allowed to ignore trademarks? Or Google wants to stay on their good side because of all the fines, so the last thing it&#x27;s going to do is sue them for trademark infringement?<p>I&#x27;ve never seen a legal situation like this before.
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naveed125大约 2 个月前
Not sure how its different from self hosted outline?
iamsanteri大约 2 个月前
Love this! Would be interesting to know why they chose Django. Will support by giving my upvote!
dcchambers大约 2 个月前
&gt; Offline? No problem, keep writing, your edits will get synced when back online<p>I&#x27;m sold.
mightysashiman大约 2 个月前
How does it compare to Anytype? (less clunky and unintuitive I hope?)
mightysashiman大约 2 个月前
On the test account: &quot;Error 429: too many requests&quot;.
hirako2000大约 2 个月前
Outline is open source.
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foundzen大约 2 个月前
why everyone ends up using yjs as their choice of CRDT framework. aren&#x27;t there better alternative or it is just following the popular choice?
m4l1c3大约 2 个月前
C&#x27;est cool ça comme projet!<p>- Pas mal non? c&#x27;est Français! :)
cynicalsecurity大约 2 个月前
Great idea, but Django as back-end is a very bad choice.
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noname120大约 2 个月前
Looks like an amazing alternative to Dropbox Paper
yread大约 2 个月前
How does it compare to nextcloud?
simonebrunozzi大约 2 个月前
&gt; Run it locally - Running Docs locally using the methods described below is for testing purposes only. It is based on building Docs using Minio as the S3 storage solution but you can choose any S3 compatible object storage of your choice.<p>&gt; Prerequisite<p>&gt; Make sure you have a recent version of Docker and Docker Compose installed on your laptop:<p>See, this is the issue. If you want adoption, you can&#x27;t assume that users are familiar with this.<p>You should start with a dmg for Mac users.
MrBra大约 2 个月前
we don&#x27;t need an FOSS self-hosted alternative to X. We need a FOSS alternative to the cloud&#x2F;hosted model such that there&#x27;s distinction between the two, everything is everywhere for everyone, free. Fediverse, but better. But we&#x27;re not even at Fediverse ;)
Johnson8053大约 2 个月前
personally prefer affine.pro. selfhosted is enough for me
samtuke大约 2 个月前
Love the concept, but if the core developers don&#x27;t rely on direct relationships with non-government customers, then I assume this software is unlikely to meet my needs as a startup founder (or the need of most other readers here on HN).<p>Governments make perverse customers with needs and incentives that don&#x27;t align with other regular users and customers, in my experience. So the lack of a paid hosted version of Docs is concerning to me in terms of their priorities, quality, and the future product focus of this otherwise promising (and much needed) app.<p>Tldr: being customer-focused and having a product led organizational culture is unlikely if you&#x27;re building for government.
progx大约 2 个月前
Dark mode?
ex3ndr大约 2 个月前
But outline is opensource?
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amai大约 2 个月前
Which format are they using to write&#x2F;store the notes? Is it another Markdown dialect?
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yujzgzc大约 2 个月前
I stopped reading at &quot;AGPL&quot;. I appreciate the intent but this stuff is impossible to use in practice. Even governments need partners who would likely be hesitant to run it because of that.
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bureautards大约 2 个月前
yes, make better notes of meetings, make meetings a pleasure, make bureaucracy a dream job
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