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How I got 100% off my train travel

248 点作者 pavel_lishin2 个月前

24 条评论

zfnmxt2 个月前
&gt; if the baseline chance of delay is 10%, engineering works add 25%, strikes add 35%, and bad weather adds 20%, then when all these problems happen, there&#x27;s a 90% chance your train will be delayed.<p>What if signal failures &quot;add&quot; 15%? Then all factors combined would mean that there&#x27;s a 105% chance your train will be delayed!<p>Adding up probabilities like this doesn&#x27;t make sense. If you simplify these things as independent events, the probability of delay is just the 1 minus the product of all the probabilities of each event not happening (i.e., 1 - P(event)).<p>As for the article---I think you really undervalue your time and the price of inconvenience. I can see how you can romanticize it as a nice way to get things done, but (dealing with) train delays is hardly distraction free and is full of forced setting changes and (very) shit working environments (like waiting on a platform). This is a bad deal, even if it&#x27;s free. Money is there to to be spent; this is a instance in which to spend it, moral&#x2F;ethical&#x2F;fraud concerns aside.<p>But hey maybe you&#x27;re a Von Neuman type and thrive in cacophony and chaos.
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sebtron2 个月前
&gt; Avanti West Coast offers customers:<p>&gt; 15 minutes — 25% off<p>&gt; 30 minutes — 50% off<p>&gt; 1 hour + — 100% off<p>To me they look like very generous refund policies. I checked Italy&#x27;s Trenitalia and what they offer is[1]:<p>&gt; 30-119 minutes: 25%<p>&gt; 120+ minutes: 50%<p>I suppose anything below 30 minutes is consideres &quot;on time&quot;.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.trenitalia.com&#x2F;it&#x2F;informazioni&#x2F;indennizzo_per_ritardodeltreno.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.trenitalia.com&#x2F;it&#x2F;informazioni&#x2F;indennizzo_per_ri...</a>
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sarreph2 个月前
The UK train system is a dire, expensive mess. Attempting to avoid getting directly political here, but I strongly believe it’s one of the lowest hanging fruit a political party could act on to curry favour with the electorate.<p>Would be amazing to see this productised à la the way split ticketing works.
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dlcarrier2 个月前
Where I live, in the US, the income from light rail fair payers is a laughably small portion of the operating budget, so all rides are effectively discounted by 90%+. The fares really only exist to keep homeless people from sheltering on the trains, but they do that anyway, without a ticket.<p>Somehow the prices are still high enough that it&#x27;s cheaper to buy a cheap used car and drive it instead.
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sidewndr462 个月前
I used a much simpler variant of this to get Amazon Prime for free for years. When I needed something off Amazon, I&#x27;d just wait until the day before it was going to rain then order it with next day delivery. The couriers at that point in time seemed comically unable to deliver anything if it rained. Once it arrived late, open a case and ask for a month of free Amazon prime. This worked up until they discontinued that as a potential compensation.
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bobnamob2 个月前
Ironic read given I&#x27;m currently sat on a half hour delayed, hopelessly overcrowded (due to 2 prior cancellations) Avanti west coast service.<p>I&#x27;ll be happy to claim my delay repay on my employer&#x27;s dime for the 5th time this year. My only regret is that I booked off-peak
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cammikebrown2 个月前
I missed seeing Mt. Fuji from my Shinkansen window seat because the train was ahead of schedule and my alarm went off after we had passed it.
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sksksk2 个月前
I expense all my work travel, and get to keep delay repay payments for myself.<p>My number one trick to getting the payments: get the tightest connection possible.<p>For the journey I take frequently, the train arrives into the main station at 8:52pm, my connection is at 9pm; picking up just 8 minutes of delays means I&#x27;ll miss the connection. The next train is at 10pm, which triggers delay repay.
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diffuse_l2 个月前
This reminds me that I once worked in one city, and attended university in another city.<p>At some point, there were train lines works that lasted for a few years, which meant that almost any train ride was delayed. You got a ticket back for half an hour delay, and two for a full hour.<p>In addition, my workplace paid me a set amount of money to cover ttain travel expenses for each work day.<p>I think that for most of my studies I effectively didn&#x27;t pay for train travel, and had time to work while on the train.<p>You did have to wait in line to get the ticket after the train ride, and the train officer wasn&#x27;t too happy about giving out tickets, bit it usually worked...
weinzierl2 个月前
In Germany you can use<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bahnvorhersage.de" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bahnvorhersage.de</a><p>It is meant to be used to find <i>reliable</i> connections, but of course you can use it to save money as described in the article.<p>Here is the 38c3 talk about the project from one the creators:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;media.ccc.de&#x2F;v&#x2F;38c3-wann-klappt-der-anschluss-wann-nicht-und-wie-sagt-man-chaos-vorher" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;media.ccc.de&#x2F;v&#x2F;38c3-wann-klappt-der-anschluss-wann-n...</a>
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stego-tech2 个月前
This seems the perfect setup for malicious compliance of arbitrary RTO policies.<p>* You may very well be more productive on a quiet train than a noisy office<p>* Inconsistent WiFi coverage could let you focus on work instead of video conferencing meetings<p>* Arriving late means you don’t have to stay long - not your fault the train was delayed, after all!<p>Your employer gets the badge data showing you technically showed up, you have the receipts on why you were late, and you get a partial or full refund on the delayed train fare for good measure.
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celticninja2 个月前
There is a slightly less ethical way to do this, you buy a ticket that mows you to travel at any time of day. Then when you have made your trip log on to realtimetrains to find a train on your route that was delayed and then claim that as your journey.<p>Now your ticket is sometimes scanned when you enter or leave a station but this is rare and even less likely to be scanned on the train by a conductor.<p>Anyway that is something that someone could do
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ralferoo2 个月前
This reminds me of many years ago when I was backpacking around Australia. For whatever reason, I was wandering around a smallish town around 10am on a Sunday morning and ordered food from either McDonalds or Hungry Jacks (aka Burger King).<p>I was the only customer, and after a few minutes, she called me over and gave me my money back. I asked why, assuming that they&#x27;d just discovered they&#x27;d run out of ingredients, but no, she said it was because it had taken too long to prepare, so it was free. This is something I&#x27;d never experienced in the UK before, and in fact McDonalds in the UK can sometimes take 10 minutes - compared to back home, it hadn&#x27;t struck me as being particularly slow.<p>It occurred to me that I was probably their first customer of the day and that anyone else who rocked up on a Sunday morning on other weeks as their first customer would probably also get their food for free as e.g. fries would be cooked on demand instead of being ready.
isaacremuant2 个月前
Until there&#x27;s better transparency of the train system in London, I&#x27;d say that most of the excuses they give are iterative bullshit and cost saving measures.<p>We need the peasants to go to work but we don&#x27;t need to offer these low traffic route on Sundays so we won&#x27;t and we&#x27;ll call it &quot;Planned engineering works&quot; every time, every year.<p>If someone has detailed transparency on what they are instead of blind authoritarianism like in the train forums&#x2F;Reddit please be my guest.<p>I wonder if they have re-enacted their refunds page which was down for months &quot;due to cyber security incident&quot;.<p>Such a scammy, partially tax funded service that costs an insane amount.
killingtime742 个月前
I guess this only works for people whose time is worth nothing
vander_elst2 个月前
Any insights why trains are pathologically late? It&#x27;s easy to blame incompetence, but I think it&#x27;s too naive, I wonder what are the causes connection are late day after day, year after year. Why is it so difficult to create a reliable model for something we have been working for dozens of decades and we have a good control of?
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switch0072 个月前
I&#x27;d heavily caution people against this. The railway operators are both litigious and invested in fraud detection technology. And they love going on fishing exercises<p>Consistent 100% delay repay will absolutely get flagged
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yapyap2 个月前
Wow, the train system actually giving you something when it’s late seems great, NS should take notes.
apexalpha2 个月前
I did something similar in the Netherlands.<p>Due to an array of issues the train company has abysmall on-time records on our only high speed line, connecting A&#x27;dam to Brussels, Paris and London.<p>I mean we are still talking about 82% on time, not 60% lmao. But compared to the 97,6% of normal trains it&#x27;s bad.<p>But anyway you can ask for your money back just like in the UK. The trick is that when you travel on a business card your company pays, but you get the reimbursement when delayed.<p>Must&#x27;ve made hundreds over the years. Everytime I heard the brakes I heard the cash register sound and since it&#x27;s a train I would just happily chug along with my work anyway.
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nextts2 个月前
Until you get stuck somewhere and you need a hotel or taxi. Unless they reimburse that?
brainzap2 个月前
ccc has a talk about predicting on deutsche bahn which trains will be delayed<p>but: being stuck in a train for 3 hours is not worth 50 euros
more_corn2 个月前
You guys get trains?
m4632 个月前
&quot;Sure, there were some pretty brutal ‘all-dayers’.&quot;<p>lol - fast or cheap, pick one.
satyamkapoor2 个月前
Omg! Wait till you see the German railways reliability.