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65 点作者 zdw大约 2 个月前

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danmur大约 2 个月前
&gt; From the perspective of the traditional server business, such a developer is unfortunately often seen as rather helpless—someone who needs assistance with everything, can’t run their own database, and has no idea what a nameserver is.<p>Developers who have no idea about how things work (like nameservers and databases) are pretty helpless generally, regardless of whether they call themselves cloud-native developers or not.
robertlagrant大约 2 个月前
&gt; And even then, it wouldn’t be as seamless as AWS&#x2F;Google&#x2F;Azure!<p>I haven&#x27;t used Cognito or Google&#x27;s one, but Azure AD B2C is a complete mess. Or it was 3 years ago. A disaster of poor configuration options, and poor documentation, and even when we spoke to internal Azure engineers they said the same.<p>Stick with something like Auth0, or self-host Keycloak. Don&#x27;t use the Azure one if you can at all avoid it, at least for B2C applications.
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llarsson大约 2 个月前
It is interesting that this relates exactly to everything that goes as &quot;cloud native&quot; these days, without really mentioning the fact that due to Kubernetes and the Cloud Native Computing Foundation&#x27;s huge landscape of open source software that targets specifically Kubernetes, you can have a comprehensive platform on &quot;any&quot; infrastructure. On-premise, private cloud, public clouds that are in the EC2&#x2F;S3 era of services (VMs and object storage)... it doesn&#x27;t matter. You can literally run the same database that powers YouTube, it&#x27;s freely available and operates great on Kubernetes.<p>Yes, the problem is that someone has to manage it all (full disclosure: I work for Elastisys, a company exactly in the space of fully-managed application platforms on top of the infra operated by others).<p>But the fact that smaller cloud providers haven&#x27;t had the money to invest in their capabilities to offer managed services to the same degree as the enormous hyperscalers isn&#x27;t exactly impossible to overcome. In fact, it&#x27;s never been more possible. Other comments here show that very well, too. And that the particular choice of identity management services is perhaps not the best for showing where the hyperscaler options shine.
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alephnerd大约 2 个月前
As usual, another great write up by Berthub.<p>A big issue I&#x27;ve noticed is a lot of the players pushing for a new &quot;European cloud&quot; are glorified DC hosters who do not have Product or Development experience with cloud tools or technologies, and continue to underpay their employees.<p>I saw this at an attempted version of AWS by a major retailer in DACH - they are trying to build their own competitive hyperscaler, but their internal teams still preferred one of the big 3 CSPs (AWS, Azure, GCP) due to reliability and the talent gap in their internal CSP team.<p>European software only does great when those vendors pay regionally competitive (doesn&#x27;t have to be SV level) salaries. Look at DIPT in France, Gov.uk in the UK, and Datadog in France as examples of well made European stacks that also paid employees competitively.<p>European companies will also HAVE to be product first - only selling on &quot;European First&quot; sentiment doesn&#x27;t close RFPs when the CSPs have created EU staffed and managed landing zones, and companies like Google Cloud and AWS expand EU specific offerings in EU megaoffices like Warsaw and Cluj respectively.<p>The other issue is most EMEA customers have much smaller budgets, so discounting and bundling becomes critical - and it&#x27;s hard to beat vendors who can sell in the US (which is what a French vendor like Datadog has done).<p>Finally, the growth of the cloud software ecosystem in the US, China, and India was also thanks to 5G rollouts, as much of the 5G stack is virtualized and is essentially VOIP. This meant telecom players helped spark a generation of vendors or OSS ecosystems.
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notpushkin大约 2 个月前
&gt; If someone tries to program [auth] themselves, they either do it incorrectly (or not well enough) or keep an expert busy for weeks and weeks.<p>Or they could set up something like <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;goauthentik.io&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;goauthentik.io&#x2F;</a>? (Shameless plug: if you use my Docker dashboard, <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lunni.dev&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lunni.dev&#x2F;</a>, you can install it in a couple clicks from the Marketplace.) Or any other open source option – there are dozens at this point.<p>And honestly speaking, auth <i>isn’t that hard</i> in the first place. You do have to remember a few things, but if you follow something like <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lucia-auth.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lucia-auth.com&#x2F;</a> it shouldn’t take you more than an hour to set up some decent auth with 2FA and OIDC support. A bit more time to implement sign-in rate limiting and email verification and you have a robust system that (a) works in a way that you understand and (b) you can reuse between projects without paying a dime.
Havoc大约 2 个月前
It’s going to take time. Short of vast amounts of capital this takes time. See the initial progression of AWS. They didn’t start with a billion cloud product. Just the primitives first
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mehukatti大约 2 个月前
This blog post really resonates with me. I&#x27;m originally one of those &quot;server guys&quot; who had 20 years of experience with Linux and hosting all kinds of software (my last gig was running OpenStack). I was also pretty deep in Red Hat ecosystem and had their highest certification (RHCA). But sadly in my EU country these server oriented tech roles kind of dried out around 10 years ago and the rest were outsourced to Indian companies. That&#x27;s why I work at AWS nowadays.
Our_Benefactors大约 2 个月前
I might be the only one that thought this was Airbnb platform advice from the headline.
zelon88大约 2 个月前
&gt; Not everything is equally good or affordable, but it’s crucial to understand what the world is moving toward (even if maybe they shouldn’t).<p>And this is exactly how we get to Elon Musk creating a constitutional crisis.<p>Complacency. Complacency with Tesla servitizing the automobile. Complacency with someone doing a Sieg Heil... Twice... on national television.<p>Maybe if you don&#x27;t take the first leap, you won&#x27;t be in the position that so many Tesla owners are in now. &quot;I didn&#x27;t know he was crazy!&quot;<p>Well maybe you should have. Maybe you should have read all the signs and seen all the writing on the wall and listened to all the enthusiasts and experts who warned you.
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