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Tesla loses ground as Chinese EVs dominate global markets

125 点作者 donohoe大约 2 个月前

18 条评论

IshKebab大约 2 个月前
Yep I&#x27;ve been thinking BYD is just some Chinese brand that&#x27;s only in China, but I saw one on the road in the UK recently and looked it up and they actually have something like 80 showrooms in the UK already. Way more than Tesla.<p>Maybe making a dumb triangular truck that nobody wanted wasn&#x27;t such a good idea after all. I imagine the BYD cars have such mod cons as rain sensors that work and indicator stalks too.
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sMarsIntruder大约 2 个月前
I hope that Tesla will change its top management asap.<p>Imagine a situation where you have a new 800V infrastructure already applied to cybertruck and decide to update the Model Y with just “minor” adjustments. Which means that both M3 and MY will get 800V&#x2F;48V when? 2&#x2F;3 years minimum.<p>It recalls me a Nokia moment.<p>Meanwhile China is running.
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enaaem大约 2 个月前
This was always going to happen. It was a matter of time for competition to come. Tesla having tech company valuation is ridiculous, since they have none of the economic advantages typical of tech companies: easy scaling, network effect and user lock-in.
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londons_explore大约 2 个月前
China has everything needed for cheap and efficient manufacturing. The design skills, the infrastructure, the cheap labour, the network of factories, etc.<p>The US does not.<p>The only reason the US might win at car manufacturing will be if there are sufficient tariffs or other trade barriers. In a free market, China will win.
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jhp123大约 2 个月前
The US has insulated the economic decision makers from consequences in the same way as centrally-planned economies like the USSR. We&#x27;re seeing the same poor performance now.<p>For example, the tech sector spend the 2010s chasing dumb ideas like metaverse&#x2F;vr, crypto, voice assistants, and so on. But it didn&#x27;t lead to any shakeup or consequences for the people in charge. The same firms, investors, and executives were in power in 2020 after a decade of stagnation and failure. They are insulated from any upstart competition by strong monopolization and increasingly, capture of the state itself.
piokoch大约 2 个月前
Hardly a surprise, the market is growing rapidly, so nothing strange that the first player is no longer the only player. Nevertheless it was Tesla that proved viability of EVs and has courage to create totally new market segment. We&#x27;ve seen this in the IT several times, Commodore, Atari, IBM (as a hardware producer, not consulting company as it is now) had their time coming up with a No 1. product and then others came.
maxglute大约 2 个月前
If only US had multiple tesla tier EV manufacturers. Hedging globla US EV reputation on one company and one man is ridiculous situation to be in.
criddell大约 2 个月前
Om Malik recently wrote what I though was a pretty insightful piece on what&#x27;s going on in EVs and China:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;crazystupidtech.com&#x2F;archive&#x2F;chinas-ev-boom-is-bad-for-ustech&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;crazystupidtech.com&#x2F;archive&#x2F;chinas-ev-boom-is-bad-fo...</a>
jillesvangurp大约 2 个月前
Regardless of what you think of Elon Musk, the simple fact is that Tesla no longer has the market to themselves. Even in the US where they&#x27;ve enjoyed a home advantage (and import tariffs) that&#x27;s becoming true.<p>It&#x27;s not just the Chinese. There is a lot of competition. Korean manufacturers are very successful. In Europe, Stellantis has flooded the market with cars in price segments ranging from ~22K euros and up. And VW just announced a 20K ID.1. The cheapest Tesla in Europe is 44K or so. So, there&#x27;s a rather large segment of EVs priced a lot cheaper than anything Tesla has on sale that is of course selling pretty well.<p>And you see the same in the luxury segment where there are a lot of EVs on sale that are more expensive than what Tesla has to offer. And let&#x27;s be realistic, the model S plaid is nice. But it&#x27;s nothing special in terms of luxury compared to some of the more expensive models from other manufacturers.<p>So the EV market is a lot larger than Tesla&#x27;s corner of it. Which is basically the 44K - ~100K segment. And that segment is very crowded now as well. And it&#x27;s no longer a given that Tesla is the best value deal at the prices they are selling. Even if you ignore the Elon Musk negative effect on the brand.<p>Tesla could lower prices, announce cheaper models, etc. of course. But the fact is that the EV market is simply becoming the car market. In a few years, most new cars will be EVs with a sprinkle of hybrids for the range nervous and dwindling number of ICE cars where they are still allowed. So, the EV market is becoming a low margin, high volume, commodity market. There&#x27;s nothing Tesla can do to change that. From 2026 and on-wards, every price segment will have EV options. Cost won&#x27;t be an excuse anymore.<p>Autonomous seems to be the wild card here. It will be a while for other manufacturers to build that themselves. Though some of the Chinese manufacturers are getting pretty good at that. This is a divisive topic of course. But it seems like a bet that could pay off if they get it to work. I have my doubts that they will have that market to themselves for very long though. Same with robotics. Or grid storage. Or electric trucks. Or solar roofs. Tesla is doing cool stuff for these things but they are hardly the only ones.
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1970-01-01大约 2 个月前
Tesla could complete with BYD if they weren&#x27;t slipping into a global political crisis while simultaneously manufacturing vehicles that remain unaffordable to the majority of buyers.<p>Pulling a $19k Model 3 (delivered) out of the air is the only solution I can see. Musk will be forced to step aside if the sales continue to slip into Q3. They certainly will lose money on each delivery, but they will survive until the robocar tier is ready.
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doener大约 2 个月前
Same energy:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bloomberg.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;videos&#x2F;2023-12-27&#x2F;in-2011-tesla-ceo-musk-mocked-chinese-competitor-byd-video" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bloomberg.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;videos&#x2F;2023-12-27&#x2F;in-2011-tes...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=qycUOENFIBs" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=qycUOENFIBs</a>
mstaoru大约 2 个月前
China is good at producing things (thanks to the infrastructure and cheap labor, for now), but is pretty bad at consistent service and general customer friendliness. We can also be sure that their cars are not made to any stringent standards, &quot;chabuduo&quot; attitude (negligence + cost cutting) is very much alive. I&#x27;m waiting with interest for the first cutoff &quot;these cars should start failing about now&quot; date to see how Chinese brands will handle repairs, parts, and general service. My bet is, besides most of the today&#x27;s brands will even disappear by that time (since it was a subsidy grab to begin with), it will not be a great experience for the owners.
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swarnie大约 2 个月前
Excellent news, not just because im banking my early retirement on NIO and BYD.
shadowtree大约 2 个月前
At least Tesla is competitive.<p>European carmakers? The core of German industry? Stellantis? Anyone?<p>Same for the Koreans and Japanese. Nothing.<p>I get the en vogue Tesla hate, Wrestling keyfabe is fun. China going after the &quot;industry of industries&quot; (Drucker, 1946) is quite something though.
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singularity2001大约 2 个月前
Can you still disable the surveillance chip by pulling a fuse?
lenerdenator大约 2 个月前
To be fair, that tends to happen when a country&#x27;s government decides that, come hell or high water, they&#x27;re going to control a market.<p>Musk going more insane doesn&#x27;t help.
seper8大约 2 个月前
Hey at least they got their license to run a taxi business in California today. GJ Musk! So close to Robotaxi completion (it will never happen).
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oulipo大约 2 个月前
Tesla cars are the shittiest possible cars
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