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The Myth of Liquid Detection

62 点作者 frizlab3 个月前

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freetime23 个月前
One time I was caught out in heavy rain, and when I later tried to plug in my iPhone I got a message saying the lightning port was disabled until it could dry out. There was even an emergency override option, which I opted not to use. Seems like a nice feature to me.
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jayd163 个月前
It doesn't need to send anything to Apple. A tech could read a log or CMOS bit or whatever at time of repair. Not saying they do that but the article seems pretty pointless. It's like they wanted to talk about a neat feature and chose the most indigent way possible.
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0xbadcafebee3 个月前
HN (and other forums) are great sources of myths. It goes like this:<p>- Person A asks a question and proposes a suggestion<p>- Person B responds to the suggestion and adds more complaints<p>- Person C either agrees or disagrees with A and B&#x27;s claims, but adds an argument which adds more detail&#x2F;fills in more gaps and adds more suggestions<p>At no point does anyone say &quot;hold on, do any of you have any empirical evidence of <i>anything</i> you&#x27;ve said?&quot; Everybody just kind of accepts every premise, and then argues it as if it&#x27;s a valid premise. That acceptance of the false premise is the bedrock on which invented ideas become commonly-held beliefs.<p>I think this is part of what makes AIs hallucinate. These conversations get ingested by the AIs and make connections between these claims, which it will see again and again as the myths are repeated from forum to forum. Later it will make correlations between the conversations and there isn&#x27;t anything solid enough for it to determine which is real or not. I&#x27;ve seen it recently when analyzing adhesives, where it will not only quote the wrong information about an adhesive (despite it already having the TDS in its database), but also it&#x27;ll make up fake adhesives that are clearly a mash-up of two real adhesives.<p>(See, I&#x27;ve just done it... completely talking out of my ass about a subject I don&#x27;t know anything about, but sounds plausible)
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userbinator3 个月前
It&#x27;s only because &quot;telemetry&quot; (i.e. spyware) has been so pervasive that the suspicions arose. Does anyone else remember the &quot;dew sensors&quot; in VCRs and other tape equipment? Those were around before pervasive mass surveillance, and didn&#x27;t cause the same suspicion.<p><i>Attempts to connect over the network are obvious in the log</i><p>Which log? The one on the device itself, whose software has a history of ignoring what the user wants? <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=24838816">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=24838816</a>
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rgovostes3 个月前
Apple provides a man page for every system daemon. I suppose this doesn&#x27;t answer too many questions though:<p><pre><code> NAME liquiddetectiond – Liquid Detection and Corrosion Mitigation Daemon DESCRIPTION liquiddetectiond runs in the background and collects liquid detection analytics from each USB-C port on the system.</code></pre>
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AndrewDucker3 个月前
Here&#x27;s someone at Texas Instruments explaining how it works.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;DW9Iq9cp7-g" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;DW9Iq9cp7-g</a>
advisedwang3 个月前
This article criticizes supposition and assumption. It&#x27;s true that there&#x27;s no evidence that Apple is doing anything nefarious with the daemon. But it then goes on to just make it&#x27;s own supposition and assumption - that the daemon is only used for warning the user - with essentially as much evidence.
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ThePowerOfFuet3 个月前
&gt;As is so often the case, the truth behind the myth is more prosaic, and doesn’t involve Apple secretly capturing data from your Mac, nor conspiring to dodge warranty repairs.<p>&gt;on not one of the occasions that liquid detection was performed did that MacBook Pro try to connect to any remote site. Maybe its reports could have been embedded in other analytics data passed to Apple later<p>You can&#x27;t have it both ways, Howard. You admit that you didn&#x27;t prove that it wasn&#x27;t sent, yet you then claim that couldn&#x27;t have been the case.<p>While it has not been proven either way, given how anti-consumer Apple has become, I am not willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on this, and I&#x27;m surely not the only one.
lotharcable3 个月前
It would be nice to have a laptop you can safely use outside somewhere or handle drinks getting spilled on the keyboard.<p>But I guess that would add 10 or 15 more dollars to the manufacturing cost and make it harder to deny warranty claims.
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