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Spec work: for looser managers and employees.

14 点作者 stevoyoung将近 13 年前

7 条评论

pbiggar将近 13 年前
This ignores a lot of the details of the real world:<p>&#62; Because you should have enough public examples of your work avalaible for your potential employer to evaluate. If you don’t, for whatever reason, then take yourself a little more seriously and get some public stuff out there.<p>Many people don't have this. And why would they: it's hard to evaluate a candidate via bits of random code and half finished projects which took their fancy, that they worked on on their own.<p>&#62; Employers … you ask for spec work when you are incapable of evaluating a candidate based on interviews and existing work.<p>That's right. It's fucking impossible to evaluate someone based on an interview (there have been hundreds of posts to HN on this topic in the last few years). Existing work is hit-and-miss.<p>I personally feel that spec work is the only way to seriously evaluate people, with the caveat that _we pay for it_. If you're serious about interviewing this person, paying their day rate for a day of their time is a reasonable way to ask people to do this.
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tptacek将近 13 年前
<i>Can you imagine asking a lawyer or doctor to do spec work before “hiring” them?</i><p>Yes, for lawyers; I can imagine doing that because it is an absolutely routine practice. If you are at all likely to be a serious client, lawyers will give you hours and hours for free. Why wouldn't they? No invoice denominated in single-digit hours is going to move the dials for them anyways.
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dfc将近 13 年前
Doctors and lawyers do not need spec work because of professional licenses/certifications. The ABA asked your lawyer for spec work when she took the bar.<p><i>Dictionaries: not for loser bloggers</i>
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feverishaaron将近 13 年前
What he is calling "spec work" would be better described as a "challenge project". I think these provide a lot of insight that you wouldn't have the opportunity to receive via the standard portfolio/github and interview process. If you give a job candidate a small project (3-5 hours tops), you're able to see how they solve problems and most importantly, how they interact with your team.<p>I've asked "A player" candidates to perform challenges, and I have happily performed them myself to get a job. And as a candidate, there have been a couple of time where I've realized via the challenge process, that I wouldn't want to work with a particular group.<p>It's a smart use of time by both parties to quickly determine if the candidate is indeed a good fit for the position.<p>Spec work, as in completing a project to receive consulting work, is an entirely different debate.
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iamdanellis将近 13 年前
Why do others have to tell designers what they should and shouldn't do? They are smart enough to make their own decisions. I think it all depends on the project, the company, brand, and opportunity. Crowdsourcing and a traditional design process can still coexist.<p>I wrote a short blog post on this here: <a href="http://blog.fantastic.me/2012/08/is-sepc-work-evil.html" rel="nofollow">http://blog.fantastic.me/2012/08/is-sepc-work-evil.html</a>
kevinconroy将近 13 年前
We're hiring - no spec work, and if we did have spec work, we'd pay you.<p><a href="http://www.globalgiving.org/aboutus/jobs/software-engineer-for-good.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.globalgiving.org/aboutus/jobs/software-engineer-f...</a>
wilfra将近 13 年前
The designer revolt against 'spec work' is a byproduct of 99designs and crowdSPRING doing an excellent job of disrupting the way people hire designers. They want things the way they were: high prices and no competition once you find clients who like your work. However that isn't the best system for anybody other than them, which is why people are embracing a better way to do it.<p>Adapt or die, designers. The market is now a meritocracy. And that's the way it should be.<p>Now if only somebody would do this with programmers...
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