TE
科技回声
首页24小时热榜最新最佳问答展示工作
GitHubTwitter
首页

科技回声

基于 Next.js 构建的科技新闻平台,提供全球科技新闻和讨论内容。

GitHubTwitter

首页

首页最新最佳问答展示工作

资源链接

HackerNews API原版 HackerNewsNext.js

© 2025 科技回声. 版权所有。

EVs are starving states of tax money to fix potholes and build roads

17 点作者 ryan_j_naughton2 个月前

8 条评论

thelastgallon2 个月前
We need to start taxing vehicles based on the damage they are responsible for.<p>The 4th Power Law is a principle in road engineering that states that the damage a vehicle causes to a road surface is proportional to the fourth power of its axle load. This means that even small increases in axle load can cause exponentially greater damage to the road.<p>A Prius causes about 50,000 times more damage than a bicycle.<p>A truck causes 16 billion times more damage than a bicycle.<p>A truck causes 31,000 times more damage than a Prius.
评论 #43433495 未加载
评论 #43433255 未加载
评论 #43434346 未加载
评论 #43435879 未加载
DannyBee2 个月前
This is kinda true, but places blame in the wrong place.<p>The TL;DR is that the stress caused by EV&#x27;s being heavier is miniscule in practice on any road with any meaningful truck traffic.<p>Whoever is heaviest should be paying most of the cost of creation and maintenance. Sometimes this would be &quot;any EV&quot; + ICE trucks. For most of the roads being talked about, it would be larger trucking companies.<p>Why?<p>Roads are weird - the stress caused by axle load is a fourth power law.<p>So one 5 axle truck causes as much stress as 10643 cars.<p>Don&#x27;t confuse stress with damage, because as the trucking associations (correctly) point out , properly designed and maintained roads aren&#x27;t damaged by loads they are meant to handle - environmental factors matter as much to deterioration as anything else.<p>But <i>building, maintaining, and updating</i> the roads so they can handle the load and not be damaged <i>does</i> cost much more for these roads than other ones.<p>This is because roads with a single 5 axle truck <i>has to be built</i> to handle as much load as 10000 cars in order to not be damaged. It also has to be maintained in that state. So it&#x27;s a bit of a red herring to say the trucks don&#x27;t cause damage - this is true on roads designed for them (and not true on roads not designed for them) - but doesn&#x27;t change the fact that they are causing most of the cost to build and maintain roads that can support large trucks.<p>In the end, because of 4th power law here, the cost should be apportioned to who you have to design and maintain for. Nobody should be freeloading, whether it&#x27;s ICE trucks, EV&#x27;s, or larger trucks.<p>Anything else is just one group externalizing costs onto another. For examples, in states that just use &quot;mileage driven&quot; and charge everyone the same, most drivers are subsidizing truckers and larger vehicles, and because of the 4th power law, often to an insane degree.<p>Maybe that makes sense, but i&#x27;ve not seen good arguments as to why.
评论 #43432253 未加载
评论 #43434433 未加载
anamax2 个月前
California has an EV-specific registration fee. It started at $100&#x2F;year, is now $200, and will be $274 starting in 2028.<p>I don&#x27;t have data on what fraction of CA&#x27;s gas &amp; related taxes go to actually building and maintaining roads. (CA does divert money from the transportation fund, which is funded by one of the gas taxes, to &quot;not road&quot; transportation and road stuff for &quot;not cars&#x2F;trucks.&quot;)
评论 #43435019 未加载
评论 #43433523 未加载
ZeroGravitas2 个月前
Presumably efficient ICE and hybrids have cost even more, given the US&#x27;s sluggishness in adopting EVs and it being based on fuel sales.
johnsmth2 个月前
A lot of EVs have big 19&quot; or 20&quot; wheels, which get damaged easily on bad roads. I would think people who can afford a Lucid or whatever would also appreciate having surfaces to drive on that don&#x27;t bend their rims. Just a small counter-vailing factor.
ncr1002 个月前
Didn&#x27;t read the article.<p>Washington State is actively exploring taxing all drivers by mileage driven, self reported, to accommodate this shift.
评论 #43432280 未加载
评论 #43472736 未加载
427728272 个月前
This article is bullshit. The gas tax hasn’t kept pace with inflation anyway, so states just raid their general fund. There so few EVs on the road in comparison to ice cars that the difference is even more negligible.
kelnos2 个月前
Assuming EVs are actually the cause, this seems like a problem with an obvious solution: make the vehicle registration fees for EVs higher.