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Career Development: What It Means to Be a Manager, Director, or VP (2015)

545 点作者 AnhTho_FR大约 2 个月前

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alexpotato大约 2 个月前
One thing that I learned from going to IC to manager:<p>there is a LOT of activity at the manager level that you never see and therefore don&#x27;t often think about when you are an IC.<p>Case in point: trying to retain good people.<p>Good people often times end up wanting to leave for a variety of reasons ranging from ludicrous to 100% legitimate. They often announce they are leaving to their direct manager and maybe one other person (E.g. head of another team they work with etc).<p>Given that they are good and worth keeping, this triggers escalations, meetings with the employee and between managers, senior managers and HR. In the best case, this leads to a successful retention.<p>However, the only people that know any of this happened are the employee and the manager tier. The other employees have zero idea any of this occurred unless someone shares&#x2F;mentions it. I point this out b&#x2F;c multiple times as an IC, I thought &quot;no one will care if I leave b&#x2F;c I never see managers actively trying to keep people&quot;.<p>The point of this story is twofold: - managers do a lot of &quot;unseen&quot; work - it&#x27;s worth researching this kind of thing if you are about to move from IC to manager.
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trentnix大约 2 个月前
I’m had all three titles at various points in my career but the reality is that my responsibilities and operational altitude varied widely from company to company. I just completed a job search after being laid off and one of the challenges of finding a job in leadership is deciphering what each company actually wants from their managers or directors or VPs.<p>Some roles are “hands on”. For others that’s a red flag. For some it’s all about managing people and emotional intelligence. For others it’s all about technical acumen and technical direction. Sometimes what they are really looking for is exactly what the last person in the role did. In other cases, they want the opposite of the last person to hold the role.<p>The only thing you can really depend on when it comes to leadership titles in software, in my experience, is that one’s title explains which meetings one is expected to attend.
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setgree大约 2 个月前
&gt; The biggest single development issue I’ve seen over the years is that many VPs still think like directors.<p>&gt; The VP’s job is to get the right answer. They are the functional expert. No one on the team knows their function better than they do. And even if someone did, they are still playing the VP of function role and it’s their job – and no one else’s — to get the right answer.<p>&gt; If the CEO makes a plan, gets it approved by the board, and executes it well but it doesn’t work, they cannot tell the board “but, but, it’s the plan we agreed to.&quot; Most CEOs wouldn’t even dream of saying that. It’s because CEOs understand they are held accountable not for effort or activity, but results. Part of truly operating at the VP level is to internalize this fact.<p>Alas that I read this 6 years too late, because it perfectly explains what went wrong at my then-company. A member of the C-suite came up with (what sounded like) a good strategy, but it didn&#x27;t work because the engineering team wasn&#x27;t able to execute well enough; and rather than either modify the plan to account for this or shift his attention to fixing the engineering culture -- which might have been politically impossible, but was still his responsibility to try -- he doubled down and became more obsessed with implementing the details of a losing plan. In other words, he was thinking like a director.<p>Meanwhile, another front-page item today is a reminder of why this stuff matters: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=43431675">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=43431675</a>
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n4r9大约 2 个月前
&gt; [Leveling] conflates career development and salary negotiation. It encourages a mindset of saying, “what must I do to make L10” when you want to say, “I want a $10K raise.”<p>It&#x27;s not obvious to me why this is a bad thing. I agree that incentivising a box-ticking mindset discourages ownership and initiative. But for software engineers I feel like there has to be <i>some</i> methodical (and transparent) way for raises to be assigned, and for it to relate to skills and traits. Otherwise you can easily end up in a situation where people are rewarded for being bolshy and savvy rather than valuable to the company.<p>Am I missing something here?
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asdfman123大约 2 个月前
This article is good, but I want to complain about this argument (which the author is not responsible for):<p>&gt; CEOs understand they are held accountable not for effort or activity, but results<p>IMO that&#x27;s one of the biggest problems in the American business world. If you ruin the company long term to get &quot;results,&quot; your plan is successful. If you harm the company short term for long term benefit, your plan has failed.<p>No long term thinking, just watching number go up and down. It&#x27;s practically a form of superstition.
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pavlov大约 2 个月前
<i>&gt; “It’s like saying with $3.65 I can buy either a grande non-fat latte or a head of organic lettuce”</i><p>Ah, 2015.
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windward大约 2 个月前
Out of scope for this article, but:<p>&gt;Most leveling systems are too granular, with the levels separated by arbitrary characterizations. It’s makework. It’s fake science. It’s bureaucratic and encourages a non-thinking “climb the ladder” approach to career development. (“Hey, let’s develop you to go from somewhat-independent to rather-independent this year.”)<p>This is a funny, common requirement. Every junior developer is told they should feel free to ask questions - and now they have a financial incentive not to.
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shermantanktop大约 2 个月前
I always say being a manager is one of the toughest jobs around, tougher than most IC jobs. But at the same time, bad managers have many more avenues to escape accountability than ICs do.<p>I greatly respect the good managers I know. But as a current example, one of their direct peers has spent several years driving off top talent, failing to deliver on goals, and is now encouraging others to quit in order to destroy their own team on the way out…and is currently on a multi month leave of absence! And their boss says “oh but you see I must follow process x” and “the problem has only recently gotten this bad.” All of which are bullshit lies to cover the fact that this toxic manager has been very effective at deflecting and avoiding.<p>I have to wonder about a job function that cannot police its own ranks.
tflinton大约 2 个月前
I might disagree a bit with this, I&#x27;ve had all three titles and from my experience:<p>A manager is executing on plans, managing the work, aligning people on teams and enforcing policy &amp; process.<p>A director is creating the plans to solve problems, intaking work, aligning teams and creating good processes from policy.<p>A VP is about defining the problem teams need to solve, managing capacity&#x2F;budget for work, aligning on a strategy across a company and creating good policy.
sevensor大约 2 个月前
The junior engineer asking “how can I become a VP?” is classic. Chances of you becoming a VP at the same place you worked as a junior engineer are slim. I know one person who did it, it took him 25 years, and he had been on the golf team in college, so he had a lot more exposure to company VIPs than most. Change employers while in middle management or you will spend a long time there.<p>And that’s assuming you even <i>like</i> being a VP. Sure, the money’s good, but there’s a lot of accountability and you either need to be good at taking it or good at avoiding it.
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anthomtb大约 2 个月前
Is it me or do attempts to generalize career development across companies seem futile?<p>The concrete example here I can give is working at one company where &quot;Manager&quot; meant you had 10+ direct reports and were expected to do almost no technical work. Versus a second company where &quot;Manager&quot; meant you had 4-5 directs and were doing significant amount of technical work. The path from IC to Manager at company 1 had almost no commonalities with company 2 despite similar-sounding titles.<p>I guess what I am saying is that promotion ladders are so tightly integrated with company norms that attempting to seek outside advice on &quot;how do I get to the next level&quot; seems useless.<p>Edit: To rephrase more succinctly - Are articles like TFA useless or do I not know how to interperet them?
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stego-tech大约 2 个月前
Really appreciate this post as I try making the leap from Senior IC Engineer into a &quot;next rung up&quot; role (currently aiming for Enterprise Architect, Principal IC Engineer, or Management of ICs); it really helps explain what mindset I should be having for each phase, should I seek to continue upward growth.<p>In the here and now, it seems like my &quot;sweet spot&quot; is to aim for Director in the next five years or so, regardless of the next role I eventually take (currently on the hunt due to RIF). I&#x27;m already at the point where I&#x27;m mentoring junior colleagues, delegating tasks among the team, and spending more time on tactics and strategy than daily engineering work - and that seems to fit with a Director role, albeit cross-function and cross-domain (which is what I <i>already do</i>, being an infra engie that can also do networking <i>and</i> storage <i>and</i> public cloud <i>and</i> collaboration - <i>Senior</i> jack of all trades). Above that (VP, etc)...I dunno, guess it depends on what kind of person I am in five years&#x27; time, after I&#x27;ve hit Director and had some experience in that role.
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protonbob大约 2 个月前
&gt; I can’t tell you the number of times people have asked me for “development” or “leveling” conversations where I get excited and start talking about learning, skills gaps, and such and it’s clear all they wanted to talk about was salary.<p>This seems to be a rather naïve response. In a paying job, the main impetus to increase your knowledge and performance is to gain more salary. Clearly the people that they are talking to want to know &quot;what kind of value do I need to provide to the company in terms of knowledge or skills that will enable me to make more money&quot;. I don&#x27;t see why this should be a disappointment.
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FuriouslyAdrift大约 2 个月前
In my experience:<p>1.) As a manager I was working tactically to facilitate the day-to-day plans of my leaders. I also functioned as a buffer between those leaders and my direct reports. I typically made a decent bit LESS than my direct reports as I was management, not development.<p>2.) As a director (I was responsible for an entire main product) I developed, negotiated, and implemented a long term (1 - 5 years) strategic plan for a product. I primarily interacted with team&#x2F;focus managers and the directors of the company (Prez, VPs, etc.) to further those goals. I made considerably more than my direct reports and had options as part of total comp.<p>3.) As a (junior) VP I primarily did coordination between product line directors and the operational heads (EVP, Prez). Focused on long term corporate strategy which tended to be much more about finance than about product. Dealt a lot with VC&#x2F;investor relations, corporate partnerships and market positioning.
alistairSH大约 2 个月前
I found it interesting that the author mentioned tactical planning for manager and director, but not strategic planning for the VP. That seems like a useful differentiator to me (with extremely contrived examples)...<p>C-level - sets highest level strategy (We&#x27;re going to the moon!)<p>VP - adds level of detail to strategy (draws a map from earth to the moon, decides we need a rocket ship to get there)<p>Director - bridges strategy and tactics (creates high level requirements the rocket ship, makes sure there are enough gas stations on the way to the moon)<p>Manager - ensures tactical success (ensures the team builds a rocket that meets the spec, makes sure the rocket stops for gas on the way)<p>And of course, for a sufficiently large org, some of this gets offloaded to dedicated Product Managers, Program Managers, etc. But, that&#x27;s orthogonal to the point of the article, I think.
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yujzgzc大约 2 个月前
This puts words over why I don&#x27;t want to be promoted. I&#x27;ve watched enough VPs looking enviously at the seemingly stress free life (comparatively speaking) of lower level staff engineers, busy as they are shuffling from one escalation to another instead of actually building stuff.
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gsf_emergency_2大约 2 个月前
Steve Jobs on a related topic, what it means to be a leader:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;rQKis2Cfpeo" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;rQKis2Cfpeo</a><p>Guess VPs (according to both) are it
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nine_zeros大约 2 个月前
I think this post is excellent. It clearly describes the problem in many companies - granular levels&#x2F;ladder climbing.<p>It also describes another great problem that shows up in tech - non-technical&#x2F;non-owner managers, directors, and VP.<p>As described in this article, the VP is supposed to be the expert who created the plan of execution, the director is supposed to be the expert who executes it.<p>But in big tech at least, this is not what happens. VPs and directors are clueless to the point of incompetence. They understand politics but not how to drive with leadership, deep technical understanding, planning, communication, and direction. They spend an enormous amount of time in BS like stack ranking and perf reviews instead of creating solid plans that move the company needle - externally.<p>As a result, in large companies, you see the corporate hellhole decline. VPs and Directors are not respected at all. They can&#x27;t answer much. They aren&#x27;t clued in on the tech. They don&#x27;t understand competition. They don&#x27;t understand innovation. They do understand ladder climbing politics - so they create an empire of ladder climbers.<p>It is almost hilarious how poor some tech management is. Would you join a ship where the captain does not how ship-steering works?
stackedinserter大约 2 个月前
If you want to be a VP, just come to a company where I work. It&#x27;s not been growing in size for like 15 years, and these top ranks have been saturating with people who asked for promotions.<p>Everyone is VP, director or head of something to the point that it just looks ridiculous when His Highness Head of QA and His Majesty CTO stay late in the office to fix that useEffect hook in the cancel subscription pop-up.
austin-cheney大约 2 个月前
US&#x2F;NATO military equivalents to corporate titles:<p>Team lead: E5-E6, W1<p>Manager: E7-E8, O2-O3<p>Associate Principal: W1-W2<p>Principal: W3-W4<p>Senior Principal: W5<p>Senior Advisor: E9<p>Associate Director: O4<p>Director: O5<p>VP: O6<p>SVP: O7-O8<p>COO O9<p>CEO&#x2F;Diplomat O10 (4star)<p>Chairman: O11 (5star)<p>Conglomerate Chairman: 6star, Pershing<p>The big difference is that in the military everything above team lead has an internal support staff and planning occurs independently at every level.
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sota_pop大约 2 个月前
I think differentiating roles between “effort” vs “results” is an interesting concept. I don’t have first-hand experience with a formal role ladder. I work in a small firm where I created my own role building a software platform internal to an org where no one else has any software engineering expertise. However, I’ve always ascribed to the notion that seniority is proportional to “social credit”. Where social credit is some combination of your perceived expertise at your craft, your ability to achieve results (on an arbitrary project&#x2F;task) i.e. your professional competence, and the trust others put into you that you can&#x2F;would help them if they ever needed. Social credit is built, and also spent. Failure is tolerated if you have social credit to spare, but is ultimately finite. People want to follow you if you have amassed more social credit than most.
keeptrying大约 2 个月前
This is also why starting your own thing will give you better experience at being a VP than working at a 9-5.<p>(But it’s also harder than being a VP.)<p>And if you’re going back to 9-5 after an unsuccessful startup stint, look for VP or GM like roles. Anything else won’t have enough degrees of freedom to keep you happy
jimnotgym大约 2 个月前
Interstingly in a traditional British company directors are the most senior and VPs don&#x27;t exist. A director would be a board level job, as in a statutory director.<p>Obviously there are a lot of US companies in the UK and their influence spreads...
Havoc大约 2 个月前
Also very dependent on sector.<p>Noticed hn in general seems to consider VP pretty senior. In my day to day finance world it&#x27;s basically middle management. i.e. People still pretty deep in the detail
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AbstractH24大约 2 个月前
Quoting the blog post:<p>&gt;&quot;I am talking about one of three levels at which people operate: manager, director, and vice president. Here are my definitions:<p>&gt;* Managers are paid to drive results with some support. They have experience in the function, can take responsibility, but are still learning the job and will have questions and need support. They can execute the tactical plan for a project but typically can’t make it.<p>&gt;* Directors are paid to drive results with little or no supervision (“set and forget”). Directors know how to do the job. They can make a project’s tactical plan in their sleep. They can work across the organization to get it done. I love strong directors. They get shit done.<p>&gt;* VPs are paid to make the plan. Say you run marketing. Your job is to understand the company’s business situation, make a plan to address it, build consensus to get approval of that plan, and then go execute it.&quot;<p>As an IC at startups or consultant I frequently feel like I&#x27;m expected to do all of these things, and produce results.
joshstrange大约 2 个月前
“Levels don’t matter except for these levels that I care about”<p>:rolleyes:<p>All titles are made up. No one fits a role&#x2F;title perfectly. It’s all a bunch of bullshit. Normally it’s really just using salary ranges as the core thing people care about and people move up “titles” while not improving their skills one bit (seniority, playing politics better, etc).<p>At my last company they made a big deal about becoming a “senior developer”, it was a lot more responsibly, work, _pay_, etc. Years later I (and another developer) was outperforming the “senior” developers by a good margin and the company gave us both title bumps, a 3% CoL raise, and… $1K bonus.<p>That was probably the last time I believed in any sort of sanity in ranking&#x2F;titles&#x2F;etc.<p>Ask for what you want, don’t wait for a “performance review”, yes it’s uncomfortable, get over it. No ranking system is going to accurately reflect skills.
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throwaway-0101大约 2 个月前
Wow, this post could not have come at a more welcome time.<p>I&#x27;m a Solutions Architect, and after 4 years in-role am agitating for advancement; a 2-year merger put everything for everyone on hold until its resolution. It&#x27;s become clear that there has been no plan for advancement.<p>After unsolicited and vague promises of a director or even VP(!?) role before the merger resolution, they have since been talking of *maybe* a manager, or maybe *maybe* senior manager role. *Maybe* managing just two of my current developers, whom they are preparing to off-shore. This all while they have promoted another SA to a director position; a well-deserved promotion at that.<p>Oh, they&#x27;re also getting rid of the Solutions Architect job itself: soon I will be &quot;Lead Analyst&quot;.<p>This is all to say that the post and all your comments are very helpful! Love this site.
runamuck大约 2 个月前
When I had an IC role, I would recommend tech projects and execute them w&#x2F; my team (we can solve &quot;problem X&quot; with &quot;tech stack Y&quot;). I also had a lot of agency in creating solutions for tech proposals. When I had the director role, I made sure nobody wasted time. I would qualify deals to chase, recommend strategies and core competencies to pursue (AI and Cloud yes, Blockchain and Quantum no). Now, in my VP role I try to get people good at making these strategy decisions (we should follow shipley for capture, etc.). Also, a LOT more relationship capital building and external COMMs at the VP level.
skeeter2020大约 2 个月前
Some of this seems a little simplistic; as a relatively new director who reports to the CTO I think everyone is &quot;building the plan&quot; but at different levels of granularity. Where we run into trouble is when the CTO gets too far away from defining the broad outcomes and veers deep into the &quot;how&quot;. They get very prescriptive, but without the context of the implementation details or any real knowledge of the countless small problems that directors, then managers, then ICs deal with. It looks a lot like (and really is a falvour of) micro-managing.<p>&gt;&gt; It conflates career development and salary negotiation<p>I just went through this with an IC 2 levels below me. To the credit of the person&#x27;s manager they communicated to the IC &quot;don&#x27;t ask me for a promotion when you want more money&quot;. The (easily said; harder to implement) solution is to build a management relationship with people that has an &quot;agent-client&quot; dynamic. The direct manager can&#x27;t be viewed as the decision maker and needs to be the advocate for this to happen IME.
balls187大约 2 个月前
&quot;I took the one less traveled by, And that has made all the difference.&quot;<p>I vaguely remember a quote that goes &quot;No kid ever dreamed about growing up to be a middle manager.&quot;<p>I get that work is just a means to an end, but find something you love to do. If you love management, that&#x27;s great. I love being an engineer, and prefer to be a player&#x2F;coach over just a leader, and hate that as I get older my age is looked down on.
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apwell23大约 2 个月前
i don&#x27;t agree with any of these definitions. From my experience VPs and directors are so far removed from any actual work that most of their &quot;plans&quot; mean very little. Things get done not because of their &quot;plans&quot; but despite of them.<p>In terms of career development. Ppl aren&#x27;t promoted for their ability to make &quot;plans&quot; or execute them. Ppl are promoted into those promotions for being trustworthy by ppl above them .<p>To get to that position, you should be<p>1. be people oriented. Genuinely like ppl around you from your heart ( not fake it) . Take the first step and build genuine love for ppl around you. Your first instinct towards anyone should be trying to make their work lives easier. This is super hard for nerdy coder types because we have mental depenendcy on being the &quot;smart one&quot;, hard to let go of that part of identity.<p>2. consistenly deliver results and become the person that can be trusted by person that gave you the assignment. Building trust is the main job when you go work. Its not writing some badass code or being innovating or whatever.
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lifeisstillgood大约 2 个月前
Most of the work of “good” managers is about affecting culture, providing a sustainable work load, emotional intelligence, encouraging team work and sense of shared ownership<p>Yet in outsider society and political discourse this is thrown into the trash under the weight of individual rewards and exploitation<p>Perhaps we need a rethink
class3shock大约 2 个月前
To be a good manager means to run a team well and get stuff done. To be a good VP means to increase shareholder value. To be a director means you are at some percentage of completion of the soul&#x2F;morality extraction process that happens when transitioning from the first to the second.
A4ET8a8uTh0_v2大约 2 个月前
It is a good read. It is early so I can&#x27;t help wondering if I am nodding, because it hits close to home or coffee did not hit yet, but I think I agree with the author here.
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jakey_bakey大约 2 个月前
This is an interesting way of thinking about it compared to the common definition that uses &quot;scope&quot; (which outside IC roles is a synonym for to headcount)
Nifty3929大约 2 个月前
Anybody have some book suggestions that describe what a Director or VP does, and what makes a good one, in the day-to-day sense?
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astrostl大约 2 个月前
&gt; Another practice I’m not hugely fond of is “leveling”<p>&gt; That said, I do believe there are three meaningful levels in management<p>Cool!
RayVR大约 2 个月前
&gt; I can’t tell you the number of times people have asked me for “development” or “leveling” conversations where I get excited and start talking about learning, skills gaps, and such and it’s clear all they wanted to talk about was salary. Disappointing.<p>I mean…these people are rational and they want more money, which is an objective metric. In a confusing world of HR jargon, levels, lack of clear links between output and compensation, what else could you expect? It’s on you, the manager, to link the financial metric to specific tangible results, whether past or future.<p>If high performers are having these “I want a raise” conversations, it’s because they know they are delivering, they want a sign of progress in their career. They may already be gathering market data of their real price through interviews or at least discussions&#x2F;research. This means they are already at risk of moving. Lack of insight into this from managers is “Disappointing”<p>In my own experience, and having guided others through these conversations, managers need to always have some clarity on what they could provide to the people reporting directly to them.<p>The timing should be determined based on an understanding of what is best for the company. E.g., what maximizes retention or other key organizational metrics.
taylorbuley大约 2 个月前
Dave Kellogg is definitely someone worth listening to.
darkwater大约 2 个月前
&gt; Yes, you might discover that a Senior FPA Analyst II earns the same as a Product Marketing Director I, but why does that matter? It’s a coincidence. It’s like saying with $3.65 I can buy either a grande non-fat latte or a head of organic lettuce. What matters is the fair price of each of those goods in the market — not they that happen to have the same price.<p>Well, it infuriates me just the same. If a coffee shot costs the same or more that some other food that is healthy and gives you more calories and&#x2F;or nutrients. And I say this as a coffee lover.<p>But beside specific examples nitpicking, I understand the gist of it, and I understand the market reasons - you want to attract or retain talent and they&#x2F;we look at compensations on a market level - but this still doesn&#x27;t mean it is fair. Unless you believe in fairy tales and invisible hands.
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harrall大约 2 个月前
Personally I think “…but we executed the plan…” is unreasonable at any level, at any job, at any task, and any point in anyone’s life. It’s never a way to go through any part of life.<p>If you set out to complete a task, it should be to achieve your goal. Your should measure your success as achievement of your goal, not by whether you went through the motions.
sage76大约 2 个月前
The main job of these &quot;managers&quot; is repeatedly asking &quot;when will this get done?&quot; and &quot;Why isn&#x27;t it done yet?&quot;.<p>You could hire a parrot to do these jobs.
bane大约 2 个月前
I like this post, it&#x27;s clear, well considered and concise. I&#x27;d caveat that with, &quot;for certain kinds of companies&quot;. Two thoughts:<p>1) On his issue with levels. I don&#x27;t disagree with most of the observations, but I&#x27;ve definitely experienced staff that are less concerned with the pay increase and just want the validation and pat on the back of the level bump. It&#x27;s weird, because it usually comes with more responsibility and work. While just getting more money lets you go back to what you were doing and are already good at. But everybody has their own ideas at career progression.<p>2) In my personal career, the types of companies I&#x27;ve worked for have a slightly different flavor of this, and I&#x27;ve come up with my own internal shorthand ideas for what these titles mean. It&#x27;s useful to consider this because as you rise in these ranks, you have to also train the next generation to be able to step into your shoes and do a good job:<p>Manager - you are 85%&#x2F;15% focused down&#x2F;up. Down into your reports and tasks and up to receive new input from <i>your</i> manager (perhaps a director) and provide back status. You spend that 85% of the time taking somewhat vague directions and turning them into actionable tasks by your reports. You reports in turn should have well scoped tasks that when completed, build into a completed work unit that satisfies a directive from up your chain. You are a work breakdown structure and scheduling engine. Your performance is generally measured by delivering programs on-time, on-budget, and having a minimum of issues with your reports.<p>Director - you are 50&#x2F;50 focused down&#x2F;up. You spend time refining vague business unit goals into vague programs. You rely on your Managers to turn those programs into work tasks. You have a lot of responsibility for driving revenue, have a budget, but in most companies are not specifically measured by P&amp;L. Your performance is measured by revenue targets. You get pulled into sales and marketing projects that are already moving freight trains to provide grounding, and to mobilize resources under you to support specific efforts. You got into your position because you provided on-time, on-budget program successes repeatedly, and a few of them struck gold by chance. You also had a knack for working well with the sales&#x2F;marketing people and maybe even straddled between worlds.<p>VP - you are 15&#x2F;85 down&#x2F;up and spend that time turning impossibly vague corporate goals into merely vague business goals. You are responsible for P&amp;L, and your performance is measured by both revenue and profit targets. You spend a lot of the day working with sales and marketing, and you conceive and initiate growth efforts. Depending on the company, you likely have your own subordinate sales and marketing team that reports directly to you, and is separate from the engineering team. You got into your position primarily because you are really good&#x2F;lucky at growing revenue and can put together revenue growth strategies that have a higher probability of working than not. It&#x27;s even possible you never spent time in the engineering organization, and worked up through the sales&#x2F;marketing path.<p>Source: Been all of the above at various times. Highest position was President of a very small startup, which I count as almost meaningless (where I also did a stint as a VP). &quot;Biggest&quot; position was half a decade as a Sr. Director of an 200+ head engineering organization in a several thousand person company till I was promoted out of it.
phendrenad2大约 2 个月前
A lot of manager talk on HN lately. Time to start Manager News?
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b800h大约 2 个月前
Obligatory UK translation here: If you&#x27;re reading this in the UK, when he writes &quot;Director&quot;, the nuance is different. In the UK, this means <i>Company Director</i> most of the time, although the US influence is changing this.
aarghh大约 2 个月前
Oh, sweet summer child...<p>&gt; <i>But it’s the same standard to which the CEO is held. If the CEO makes a plan, gets it approved by the board, and executes it well but it doesn’t work, they cannot tell the board “but, but, it’s the plan we agreed to.”</i>
game_the0ry大约 2 个月前
Some advice to the managers and aspiring managers from the perspective an employee.<p>Good qualities in managers:<p>* I have a lot to learn from you<p>* you reward me with promotions and bonuses when I do well<p>* you can sell a vision, even a small one, and motivate me<p>* you take my problems and concerns seriously and do not ignore them, rather than gas-lighting me and trying to paint my concerns as the problem<p>* you have the awareness to figure out what my core motivations are, and have and skill to align your goals with mine, thus putting both of us on a path towards shared success<p>* you are forthcoming and honest with your feedback, bc you see my blindspots and tell me about them so I can fix them<p>* you understand that too much attrition is a bad signal for management success<p>* you understand that as a leader you understand accountability -- you deserve a greater proportion of the success but also the downside when things go bad<p>* I want to crawl over broken glass for you bc of all of the above bc you have earned my loyalty<p>Bad qualities in managers:<p>* there isn&#x27;t much to learn from you, and the best thing I can learn is not how to be bad manager, bc you&#x27;re a bad manager and I know it<p>* if you leave and my performance does not suffer, it means your presence never had a positive effect (or any effect) in my role<p>* you gas light me when I bring up problems and concerns, shifting any responsibly form you to me<p>* you are neurotic and I need to work around your emotions to make you &quot;feel good&quot;, and I get more reward for this than actually delivering work<p>* you do not have the courage to give me difficult feedback that I need to hear bc you are afraid of having uncomfortable and awkward conversations<p>* you are so preoccupied with making <i>your</i> manager happy that you sacrifice your employees to accomplish this<p>* you do not care enough about attrition and underestimate the consequences of losing good employees, mostly bc your employees feel the consequences, not you<p>* bc of your lack of skill as manager, the relationships you have with your employees end up being adversarial rather then a shared success..no one wants to crawl over broken glass to work for you and the employees who stick around do not want to be there<p>* you do not understand accountability -- you repeatedly make poor decisions bc you never face the consequences, until its too late and then you get fired bc at that point, its obvious the problems was you all along<p>* you were promoted bc you kissed the right ass at the right time, which does great damage to your world view bc now you assume this is just the way the world works<p>I could keep going, but that should suffice for now.
gneray大约 2 个月前
A classic