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Chimpanzees act as 'engineers', choosing materials to make tools

93 点作者 docmechanic大约 2 个月前

18 条评论

amelius大约 2 个月前
Yes but they make a lot of fuzzy decisions, so they are better compared with e.g. alchemists or deep learning researchers.
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upghost大约 2 个月前
I thought this would be more relatable, like, "chimpanzee engineers found pretending to managers about estimates, chimpanzee managers found pretending to listen".
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mmooss大约 2 个月前
Two overlooked aspect of the research:<p>First, an object of the research is pre-human ancestors&#x27; tool use:<p>&gt; Physical evidence of early hominin perishable tools is scarce. However, it is reasonable to assume the mechanical constraints surrounding tool use and manufacture have remained somewhat constant. Using a functional framework to understand the technical capabilities of extant hominoid tool users presents a novel approach to predict the perishable tool-using capabilities of our earliest relatives.<p>Note that the Paleolithic, the first period of stone tools, started ~2.58 - 3.3 mya (million years ago); stone can be durable since X mya and we have lots of evidence of that. But our evolutionary line split from the chimps&#x27; line ~7 mya (though remember the 7 mya shared ancestor was not a chimpanzee; they evolved too). Before the Paleolithic, and even after it began, our ancestors at times likely used tools made from perishable materials - I cooked dinner with a wooden spoon, myself.<p>Also, there&#x27;s the question of <i>culture</i> - something once thought unique to humans:<p>&gt; Our findings provide insights into the technical skills associated with perishable artefact-making and raise questions about how this knowledge is learnt and culturally transmitted.<p>There are two ways to pass down traits: genetics, and <i>culture</i>. If you think culture is somehow weaker or secondary, look at the traditions or look at languages that have lasted thousands of years with no genetic basis. An advantage of the cultural method is flexibility - it can be changed today; biological evolution takes awhile.
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Avicebron大约 2 个月前
Damn we gotta ante up, if they&#x27;re taking away my title of engineer and giving it to chimps, guess I&#x27;ll just find a job where they can issue me &quot;Doctor&quot; job title. &quot;Doctor and Principal Cybersecurity Engineer&quot; sounds good.
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oh_my_goodness大约 2 个月前
This is prior art. Everybody knows that engineers and chimpanzees share a lot of behavior patterns.
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bell-cot大约 2 个月前
Up next, a story about how ants act as &#x27;engineers&#x27; - choosing soft-enough-to-dig ground, that is not waterlogged, to build their nests.<p>After that, maybe a story about plant &#x27;engineers&#x27;, growing toward the sun.
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3np大约 2 个月前
Actual study: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cell.com&#x2F;iscience&#x2F;fulltext&#x2F;S2589-0042(25)00419-5" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cell.com&#x2F;iscience&#x2F;fulltext&#x2F;S2589-0042(25)00419-5</a>
KineticLensman大约 2 个月前
fruits: lower, tastier, juicier. Choose two
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gostsamo大约 2 个月前
Next trend in linkedin ads &quot;we are looking for a 10x chimpanzee&quot;.
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butterlover大约 2 个月前
I always say I&#x27;m only here because i&#x27;m &quot;smarter than a monkey and cheaper than a robot&quot; and boy has that value proposition changed recently.
westurner大约 2 个月前
Tool use by non-humans &gt; Primates &gt; Chimpanzees and bonobos: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Tool_use_by_non-humans#Chimpanzees_and_bonobos" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Tool_use_by_non-humans#Chimpan...</a>
weard_beard大约 2 个月前
Let me know when a chimp publishes in science daily. Bonus points if it’s written in feces.
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gsf_emergency_2大约 2 个月前
Chimp as Engineer=&gt; Human as Ueberingenieur<p>(English: Over-engineer)<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;OWFq3ykkwP0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;OWFq3ykkwP0</a><p>(Also :Shermanic &lt;= Surmanic :()
mofunnyman大约 2 个月前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;SNMLR" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;SNMLR</a>
ggambetta大约 2 个月前
The original code monkeys!
Frederation大约 2 个月前
Hmm like a lot of animals with large brains. Sounds familiar.
alecco大约 2 个月前
Atrocious clickbait title. Chimps were found to prefer flexible stick sources to get ants. That&#x27;s it.
docmechanic大约 2 个月前
&#x27;Researchers have discovered that chimpanzees living in Gombe Stream National Park in Tanzania employ a degree of engineering when making their tools, deliberately choosing plants that provide materials that produce more flexible tools for termite fishing.&#x27;