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Is Green hydrogen the "gas of the future"? (2023)

14 点作者 simonebrunozzi大约 2 个月前

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defrost大约 2 个月前
Direct use of hydrogen the gas, especially in small transport seems unlikely in the future for many pragmatic reasons.<p>Green hydrogen production still fills a niche .. mainly as a component of green ammonia, methanol, and alumina production.<p>The geen hydrogen industry expansion in Australia has stalled out somewhat but is still ongoing and has a potential strong future as an essential component in a larger greener industrial base.<p>see (for example)<p><i>Green hydrogen has stalled in nearly every corner of Australia. So why is the government still revving it up?</i><p>25th March, 2025 - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;environment&#x2F;2025&#x2F;mar&#x2F;24&#x2F;green-hydrogen-stalled-australia-government-still-revving-it-up" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;environment&#x2F;2025&#x2F;mar&#x2F;24&#x2F;green-hy...</a>
pjc50大约 2 个月前
So, in the style of the original remit of &quot;Ignition!&quot;, here&#x27;s a list of the desirable properties for electrochemical long term storage solutions which have not yet been met.<p>- The process must take a liquid electrolyte with two electrodes in it and a current applied, and emit some substances (I&#x27;m going to say &quot;products&quot;) at anode and cathode which can be stored<p>- The process must be reversible with reasonable efficiency<p>- The electrodes must have a reasonable capital cost (i.e. not platinum) and lifetime (problem for exotic materials)<p>- same for any required proton exchange membrane (these are expensive and have finite lifetime)<p>- The products must be storeable, that is shelf-stable in tanks. This also means they must be fluids at room temperature; processes which emit solids are used in battery cells instead<p>- The products must be capable of being handled with standard plumbing, nothing weirder than stainless steel and rubber seals (may be a problem for hydrogen)<p>- Gas products must not be toxic (this is a big objection to using ammonia)<p>- Liquid products must be within the range of normally handle-able toxic substances which can be dealt with by dilution (e.g. conc sodium hydroxide is used in households, but some substance which can poison an aquifer if it leaks would be unacceptable)<p>- products should not be too explosive (risk for hydrogen) or react too violently on contact with air or, ideally, water<p>That is, it should be possible to build a system of electrolysers and tanks which is not significantly more expensive than a brewery or petrol station and, crucially, doesn&#x27;t require spending too much on safety or trained personnel or insurance, doesn&#x27;t require exceptional planning permission, which can be run <i>intermittently</i> (i.e. cheap enough that amortized capital costs are less then operating income) to store and release electricity.<p>Design one of those and you could be a global hero.
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ZeroGravitas大约 2 个月前
This is quite a good skeptical take on hydrogen but worth noting that 2 years later many if the big projects are collapsing as the financing world gets cold feet about funding them.<p>It&#x27;ll still have a niche in the future but at the moment it&#x27;s just giving money to fossil fuel industry. Which if it gets them to stop interfering with renewables rollout might actually be cynically worth it.
BugsJustFindMe大约 2 个月前
No
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Daniel7890大约 2 个月前
Let&#x27;s be clear: the anti-hydrogen contingent is vast and mendacious<p>Comments for his article are not enabled<p>He forgets &#x2F; fails to include the massive investments finalised in the middle east &#x2F; North Africa (400GW in this region) most with consortium members from Europe to China and government backing. There are billion-dollar (euro) projects announced on a weekly basis.<p>Hydrogen spells the end of fossil fuels, but the middle east is happy with pipeline connections to Europe - perhaps not so much the US who will find the petrodollar on increasingly shaky ground.<p>These shills and their underlings (Michael Liebreich etc al) make a career out of trying to block the industry, with really only one objective: the preservation of tje fossil fuel industry.<p>There is NO WAY batteries and direct electrification will replace fossil fuels in a meaningful way.<p>Policy groups - many for ideological reasons - also maintain the false narrative of &#x27;hydrogen cost declines are not possible&#x27; and every straw man and tin pot argument in the book.<p>The pipelines are being built, and no amount of lobbying can undermine the hydrogen economy future - arriving within a decade sooner, as renewables and electrolysis make the great leap forward.
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Permik大约 2 个月前
Wasn&#x27;t the general consensus about hydrogen as a fuel source just a grift from the fossil fuel industry desperately trying to make them relevant again as most of the current hydrogen production comes from there?
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