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Signal Chat Leak Angers U.S. Military Pilots

115 点作者 rl3大约 2 个月前

19 条评论

Loic大约 2 个月前
For me, the best part of the article, this applies in so many places in life. And of course, I am guilty too.<p>“The whole point about aviation safety is that you have to have the humility to understand that you are imperfect, because everybody screws up. Everybody makes mistakes,” said Lt. John Gadzinski, a retired Navy F-14 pilot who flew combat missions from aircraft carriers in the Persian Gulf. “But ultimately, if you can’t admit when you’re wrong, you’re going to kill somebody because your ego is too big.”
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rl3大约 2 个月前
It&#x27;s great to see a retired Tomcat driver interviewed for this article. For those unaware, the F-14 was featured in Top Gun and is an absolutely iconic aircraft that&#x27;s no longer flying [in the US military].<p>That pilot&#x27;s quote sets the stage in a way that confers an almost timeless quality.
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JumpCrisscross大约 2 个月前
The wild thing to consider is how entirely fucked we are if we&#x27;re actually attacked in our current state. It&#x27;s clear the DoD is rudderless. So is our IC. Our military-industrial complex hasn&#x27;t gotten the ketamine treatment yet, but that seems to be imminent.
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_thisdot大约 2 个月前
Archive link: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;2025.03.27-220826&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2025&#x2F;03&#x2F;27&#x2F;us&#x2F;politics&#x2F;pilots-signal-leak.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;2025.03.27-220826&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com...</a>
travisgriggs大约 2 个月前
Enswampification.<p>I’d write a witty blog article about it if I had one.
rl3大约 2 个月前
In keeping with F-14 discussion, this submission just disappeared off the main page faster than the U.S.S. Nimitz going back in time to December 6th, 1941.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;The_Final_Countdown_(film)" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;The_Final_Countdown_(film)</a><p>I like to think this development will inadvertently alter the course of history such a way that it manages to make HN less censored.
nickpp大约 2 个月前
I wonder how the US military will react when they will be ordered to attack a previously friendly nation like Canada or Greenland, or to help and support a previous enemy like Russia in its wars against Europe.
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Jtsummers大约 2 个月前
Gift link: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2025&#x2F;03&#x2F;27&#x2F;us&#x2F;politics&#x2F;pilots-signal-leak.html?unlocked_article_code=1.7U4.xHyf.pHlINveYh4UU&amp;smid=url-share" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2025&#x2F;03&#x2F;27&#x2F;us&#x2F;politics&#x2F;pilots-signal...</a>
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ThisRealLife大约 2 个月前
Our only ally is Russia and we&#x27;ve got a whistle blower including journalists on classified group chats. I&#x27;d imagine any remaining Americans are angry.
kragen大约 2 个月前
More trustworthy link: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.fo&#x2F;cxvG2" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.fo&#x2F;cxvG2</a>
Arnt大约 2 个月前
Going to kill someone… the messages said there was a spy there, someone who watched a target go into a building (and not leave). Is that spy still alive?
jmisavage大约 2 个月前
This reminds me of the old military phrase &quot;different spanks for different ranks&quot;. The higher up in the chain of command the less consequences you have.<p>Any enlisted person or junior officer would lose their job and face federal charges.
justlikereddit大约 2 个月前
&quot;you&#x27;re going to kill someone&quot;<p>Said the guy who flew 15000 miles away from his home to bombe a foreign political figure and his family in his home because of a political disagreement
josefritzishere大约 2 个月前
It paints a picture of comically inept stooges running around like Larry, Curley and Moe, bonking each other with ladders, and dropping anvils on each others heads.
alfiedotwtf大约 2 个月前
Let’s all be honest with ourselves… if the only difference in Signalgate were the people involved, there would be a different outcome altogether. Anyone in the military would have told you if they were in this situation, they would have been court marshalled by now along with months in prison.<p>Put another way, Republicans are the untouchables. They always have been, and as Trump’s Third Term will show - no matter WHAT they do, “what are you going to do about it”!<p>Bitch and moan all you want, and downvote me to hell… and then what? And if you’re American, put you perspective in Greenland’s, Canada’s, Mexico’s point of view.<p>MAGA hasn’t figured it out yet:<p><pre><code> Today Canada, tomorrow America. </code></pre> They’ve figured it out. They won, and now they’re planning on how to carve up the spoils. I’m betting Trump and family gets a huge slice of the pie while MAGA celebrates by proudly goosestepping at his military style birthday parade.<p>Good luck America… you used to be cool, but now you’re just the high school bully who’s in his 30s still driving around his mum’s car while looking for kids to beat up for their lunch money:<p>“…compile the cost associated and levy them on the Europeans”
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esalman大约 2 个月前
Trump is such a polarizing figure that people who are actually competent don&#x27;t really want to work for him (and yes Elon Musk is not one of the competent ones- he is biased at best). He has no choice but to value loyalty over competency. It&#x27;s a pity.<p>He&#x27;s more unhinged day by day. He&#x27;s taking big risks. He&#x27;s betting tariffs will benefit US manufacturing but it&#x27;s more likely to increase inflation. He&#x27;s betting crippling universities and NIH&#x2F;NSF and such will fix science somehow, but in reality it&#x27;s more likely to drive competent researchers out of US.<p>Growing up we considered US government and it&#x27;s officials as examples putting county above loyalty and wanted our own country&#x27;s politicians to follow suit. The tables are turned and the highest offices in the US government are following third world country politics playbook.
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Sloowms大约 2 个月前
This is such a great example of why a lot of main stream press sucks. Who cares about what military pilots think about this? This would only be interesting if they thought it was no biggie.<p>If a journalist wants to keep this rolling there are other angles to take. Make a listicale with all the different parts where the law was broken or operational security wasn&#x27;t followed. Make an article about the people involved and why they were in this group chat. Write about what this means for other classified information.<p>They really want to make this into a story of military personnel vs Trumps team so they can avoid saying this is bad.
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sandworm101大约 2 个月前
&gt;&gt; Signal, a commercial messaging app,<p>A commercial app? I&#x27;ve never sent a complaint to a newspaper but this seems a little much. It is a free and open-source app, not commercial.
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mediumsmart大约 2 个月前
taken to the air on behalf of something called the <i>United</i> States and worried someone might get killed.<p>You couldn’t make this up pre llm hallucinations.
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