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The Real Story Behind Sam Altman’s Firing From OpenAI

119 点作者 Philpax大约 2 个月前

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Philpax大约 2 个月前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;xP4N1" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;xP4N1</a>
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togetheragainor大约 2 个月前
I’m even more confused now than before I read the article:<p>- Sutskever and Murati compile evidence of Altman’s lies and manipulation to oust him.<p>- Sutskever emails the evidence to the board and suggests they act on it.<p>- The board fires Altman but refuses to explain why.<p>- Murati demands the board explain why.<p>- The board refuses, and Murati and Sutskever rebel against the board and petition with other employees to reinstate Altman.<p>It all makes no sense. And why wouldn’t the board just explain their decision if Murati herself was imploring them to do so?
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JCM9大约 2 个月前
People cared about the OpenAI drama when it looked like they might have some real edge and the future of AI depended on them. Now it’s clear the tech is cool but rapidly converging into a commodity with nobody having any edge that translates into a sustainable business model.<p>In that reality they can drama all they want now, nobody really cares anymore.
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jackschultz大约 2 个月前
&gt;They had banked on Murati calming employees while they searched for a CEO. Instead, she was leading her colleagues in a revolt against the board.<p>I finally finished the 4th of Caro&#x27;s books about LBJ, &quot;The Passage of Power&quot;, largest part about how LBJ dealt with assassination. Over and over shows how LBJ made sure that nobody, meaning world leaders, citizens, others in government, and, relevant here, also those in the Kennedy administration would feel lost and want to resign. Caro made sure to note how this is a very difficult task and required LBJ to act differently than normal, but also how important it is to not have things go into disarray which easily happens.<p>Side note: Astounding notes of how LBJ was able to get bills that weren&#x27;t going to get through congress with Kennedy were pushed through and made possible by Johnson. Quote to end a chapter by Richard Russell, southern complete segregationist and racist, says &quot;You know, we could have beaten John Kennedy on civil rights, but we can&#x27;t Johnson.&quot; Other side, Caro makes certain however about how the coming issues of Vietnam show the darker side of LBJ and not get fully caught up in his stability of power and civil rights successes.<p>Maybe these are all cases of those who want power are usually those who shouldn&#x27;t have it.
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Workaccount2大约 2 个月前
So sam let the cat out of bag (chatgpt) behind the backs of &quot;safety review&quot; and the board. Probably why Google was caught flat footed and how ChatGPT became the household name.<p>Dubious moral decision but an excellent business one. Perhaps the benefit of hindsight where ChatGPT didn&#x27;t cause immediate societal collapse helps here.
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patall大约 2 个月前
So, why didn&#x27;t the board tell the other executives (and employees) what Murati had told them. When it was them in the firing line, why didn&#x27;t Ilya tell that story? They could have just fired Murati (based on the screenshots presented) and continued as before. Or what am I missing?
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dbuser99大约 2 个月前
So sam was getting paid - possibly in egregious amounts while lying to congress?
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ec109685大约 2 个月前
Why has safety taken such a back seat? Were the fears overblown back in 2022 or have model providers gotten better at fine tuning the worst away?
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tiahura大约 2 个月前
TLDR:<p>In November 2023, OpenAI CEO Sam Altman was suddenly fired by the board—not because of AI safety fears or Effective Altruism, but due to concerns over his leadership, secrecy, and possibly misleading behavior. CTO Mira Murati and chief scientist Ilya Sutskever shared evidence of Altman’s actions, like skipping safety protocols and secretly controlling OpenAI’s startup fund.<p>The board didn’t explain the firing well, and it backfired. Murati, who at first supported the board, turned on them when they wouldn’t give clear reasons. Nearly all OpenAI employees, including Murati and Sutskever, threatened to quit unless Altman came back. With the company on the brink of chaos, the board caved and he was reinstated days later.
QuantumGood大约 2 个月前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;20250329135312&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wsj.com&#x2F;tech&#x2F;ai&#x2F;the-real-story-behind-sam-altman-firing-from-openai-efd51a5d" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;20250329135312&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wsj.com&#x2F;tech&#x2F;a...</a>
cowpig大约 2 个月前
From the outside it really seems like Peter Thiel was a brilliant kid who read Lord of the Rings and became obsessed with becoming the real world Sauron, manipulating weak-minded men in Silicon Valley into following the path of soulless corruption.
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1vuio0pswjnm7大约 2 个月前
Text-only, works where archive.is is blocked:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;assets.msn.com&#x2F;content&#x2F;view&#x2F;v2&#x2F;Detail&#x2F;en-in&#x2F;AA1BRU7s" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;assets.msn.com&#x2F;content&#x2F;view&#x2F;v2&#x2F;Detail&#x2F;en-in&#x2F;AA1BRU7s</a>
mellosouls大约 2 个月前
For anybody who followed the saga at the time, there&#x27;s nothing revelatory here as implied by the title but the essay (an excerpt from a book) is a useful summary if you wanted one.
rognjen大约 2 个月前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;i3DHj" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;i3DHj</a>
ipnon大约 2 个月前
One of the strengths of the Chinese companies is they are more aligned on their goals as team members: make cutting edge LLMs and sell access. When you have all these competing interests you end up with internal strife. This faction wants to prevent the literal end of humanity, this faction wants to make the world a better place, this faction wants to curry favor with Washington apparatchiks. Nobody is really that interested in making money by inventing new algorithms. The result is frankly embarrassing drama for the whole world to indulge in.<p>“One Company for All People” is a great weakness of American companies and is contributing to this economic downturn, and not just in tech. Corporate Universalism needs to go the way of history.
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geremiiah大约 2 个月前
Meh, I personally don&#x27;t care that much about OpenAI drama, anymore. By now it is clear that they do not hold any edge and that they won&#x27;t be able to establish an AI monopoly, and that all I ever cared about.
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epolanski大约 2 个月前
Literally nothing gives me any trust in using and adopting tech from such a sociopath like Altman.
awestroke大约 2 个月前
Sam Altman is immune to consequences
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quantumwoke大约 2 个月前
Some of the early comments here almost read as astroturfing from friends of &#x27;sama. This article provides interesting context to one of the most consequential SV events of the decade.
moralestapia大约 2 个月前
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