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Why Lotus Domino? (2024)

89 点作者 wonger_大约 1 个月前

18 条评论

codingdave大约 1 个月前
I know Domino exceedingly well. I started working with it in &#x27;94, and continued with it in one form or another until 2021. My last gig with it was even a Domino-based SaaS that reached over 8 figures ARR, and is still up and running. Everything in this post sounds completely accurate. Domino is absolutely a viable platform from the back-end, database perspective.<p>But that is not the important point when deciding whether to use it, because it is absolutely <i>not</i> a viable platform from the &quot;Can you find a team to actually code on this platform?&quot; perspective.<p>By the time I had finished with that last gig, I told everyone the same thing: That I personally knew both Domino and modern web frameworks and could blend them together to have a modern front-end on that back-end. But I figure there are a couple dozen people in the world who know both sides well enough to do so, because the industry moved on. The talent moved on. Or retired. Most of my work post-2009 was decommission projects. At the same time, new frameworks have come to fruition since the 90s, so all the special features Domino has baked in just aren&#x27;t that unique anymore. There are also almost no jobs in it, so no reason for people to learn it.<p>At the end of the day, you cannot run a company on a tech stack where there is no talent pool.
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umeshunni大约 1 个月前
The acronyms in that story led me down the memory lane - In the early 2000s, I worked at Microsoft building the Outlook to Notes connector. The theory was that we could introduce MS Outlook to hardcore Lotus&#x2F;Domino&#x2F;Notes shops and that would be a trojan horse to the introduction of Exchange (and its high priced client access licenses).<p>Reading through the article, it seems like that theory was proven out and along with the awful UI that Notes was, it led to many IBM shops adopting Exchange&#x2F;Outlook and later SharePoint.<p>Something odd about Lotus Notes&#x2F;Domino, and part of the reason for its awful UI, is that everything is a database (the NSF mentioned in the article). All UI is a view on that database. Viewing an email? That&#x27;s just view on a item in the database. Sending an email? That&#x27;s just adding a row into the &#x27;Outbox&#x27; table. The entire product was built with this paradigm at the center of it all.
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slater大约 1 个月前
As only a lowly end user, let me say: Lotus Notes sucked for what we (and seemingly users of <i>every</i> installation of LN) were forced to use it for: E-mail and calendaring.<p>There used to be a joke that went round that particular office, there are exactly two people who LOVE Lotus: The boss who signed off on it (cos it made them look good), and the person who had to implement it (cos moneymoneymoney).<p>Everyone else went &quot;Uggghhh, Lotus Notes.&quot;
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tejohnso大约 1 个月前
First Lotus Domino gig in 1998 and worked with it for several years until SharePoint started competing in the same space and pushing out Domino seats. Interest in Domino was diminishing quickly, and the companies that were using it were trying to get rid of it. I miss the excitement of reading through the red books, and new issues of the yellow technical books that would come out for it.
bostick大约 1 个月前
Just yesterday, I put up a blog about tracking down a date &#x2F; time bug in Domino &#x2F; Notes:<p>What happened on December 13, 2024? [1]<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bostick.github.io&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2025&#x2F;04&#x2F;what-happened&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bostick.github.io&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2025&#x2F;04&#x2F;what-happened&#x2F;</a>
rahimnathwani大约 1 个月前
This is a great article. I didn&#x27;t know Domino was still around, let alone still being developed.<p>I spent a good portion of my time late nineties working with Lotus Notes&#x2F;Domino. I even had all the certifications (Principal CLP Application Developer, Principal CLP System Administrator). (And I worked on migrations from OfficeVision and from cc:Mail.)<p>A few things I remember really liking, from both a development and administration perspective:<p>- trivial to set up a second or third server, and have data automatically replicate between them<p>- super-easy to create CRUD apps for custom business processes, without using any &#x27;code&#x27; except formulae that were as simple as spreadsheet formulae<p>- ability to add extra functionality with a language very similar to Visual Basic<p>And a few things that were annoying:<p>- because email was just another Notes application, it wasn&#x27;t as good as things made just for email (like Outlook or Eudora)<p>- many people thought &#x27;views&#x27; were folders, and that if an email existed in two places that meant two copies, and that they could delete one of them<p>- &#x27;replication or save conflict&#x27; (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;help.hcl-software.com&#x2F;dom_designer&#x2F;14.5.0&#x2F;basic&#x2F;H_ABOUT_REPLICATION_AND_SAVE_CONFLICTS.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;help.hcl-software.com&#x2F;dom_designer&#x2F;14.5.0&#x2F;basic&#x2F;H_AB...</a>)<p>Several times I sat with a user at their desk, and developed the first version of a CRUD app for them in real time, whilst we were still discussing the requirements.
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theamk大约 1 个月前
A question for Domino developers: &quot;There is never a question of where the logic for an application is, it&#x27;s in the same database as the data.&quot; - this caught my eye, how did this work?<p>Specifically, say there is an existing app with many users and which is full of data (say travel planning app) and you need to add a feature to it, which maybe takes a week of dev time.<p>- Do you work in prod and hope you don&#x27;t break the existing functionality for users? Maybe even copy all forms (&quot;new-request&quot; -&gt; &quot;new-request2&quot;) so people don&#x27;t see WIP... or maybe do all the work during nights?<p>- Or do you make a copy of that NSF file to your computer and develop on it? What if it has gigabytes of data, or if it has private data (like that HR database)? What do you do when you done - can you somehow merge code from one NSF file to another but leave data intact?<p>- Or is this something else? Maybe single-file was optional and big databases were manager separately, or there is some other simple option I am overlooking...
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jmclnx大约 1 个月前
I was a Notes user before IBM bought Lotus. IIRC Notes was morphed into Domino.<p>Before IBM forced changes on Notes I would say it was a very nice environment. But IBM, maybe customers and maybe others wanted it to work like cc mail (Is that was it was called?). The changes they made to me ruined the environment.<p>I wonder how Domino is doing, I hope it can continue being used by some people.
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krackout大约 1 个月前
I was a sysadmin at a company using Notes&#x2F;Domino (v 4.5 when I started, up until v 7, when it was replaced by Exchange&#x2F;Outlook). It was mainly used for e-mail, plus some minor apps for HR.<p>I used Designer to improve a bit the UI of the e-mail app of Notes. In general I have positive thoughts for both Domino and Notes, as e-mail server &amp; client. Nevertheless the majority of colleagues complained, mostly due to Notes being different from Outlook I think.<p>Yet, one day, a fellow colleague, a young beautiful woman (marketing, not an IT geek or something), came in IT office to announce us her resignation. Before leaving, she asked if it&#x27;s possible to give her the Notes installer to install it on her PC at home. She disliked Outlook &amp; Outlook express and really liked Notes :) (v5 at that time if I recall well). We were all stunned and of course gave her the installer and a guide on how to setup her yahoo or hotmail using pop3 or imap.
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jkaplowitz大约 1 个月前
This post is very interesting but is also more than 14 months old. (Should it have (2024) in its title?) At the time of publication, the author was waiting for a renewal quote under the revised licensing model and unsure if it would still be justifiable to management. Has there been a subsequent update on what happened in the end?
russellbeattie大约 1 个月前
Story time!<p>The year that IBM bought Lotus, they decided to create a mini-website about it for their annual shareholder&#x27;s meeting. The plan was to host the site on Lotus Notes Domino as a way of showing the value of the acquisition.<p>Something about this was last minute, but I can&#x27;t remember what it was: Either the whole thing was a rush job because the merger has just happened, or the decision to use Domino to host the site was. I&#x27;m not sure which.<p>IBM had hired a boutique firm in Atlanta to design and lay out the web pages with all the bells and whistles: Slick graphics, gif-animations, JavaScript interactivity, etc. (this was mid-1990s when flashing text was a big deal). But, of course, they had no Domino experience.<p>At the time, I was a 20-something wiz kid working at my first job after I dropped out of college for a Lotus Notes consulting firm in Atlanta, with contracts at Bell South, Coca-Cola, IBM and other big names. I had been the first one in the company to get into the web in general, and then combined that with my Lotus Notes experience to become the Domino expert.<p>When the design firm reached out to my company for help getting the website working on Domino, I was the (only) one to send over to help.<p>So I spent a few days at their hip downtown loft&#x2F;office working on a Notes database that would host the site. This involved converting their ordinary web pages into something that would work in Domino, which had it&#x27;s own way of storing templates and displaying pages based on the underlaying Notes database. I&#x27;d run into an issue and then get with the designers to work around some limitation or another. But by Friday we had it working and looking great. They sent the database and other files up to IBM where they would then get it up and running on their public web servers.<p>Around 5pm that Sunday, I get a call from my boss. The design firm had called in a panic: IBM couldn&#x27;t get Domino working. They could see the site locally on the same machine, but they couldn&#x27;t access it publicly. I needed to help their server team fix it. In New York. Tomorrow. (Me? Didn&#x27;t IBM <i>own</i> Lotus?)<p>He tells me that IBM is sending a car to come around and pick me up in 30 minutes, to get me to the airport where I&#x27;ll fly to New York. Another car will pick me up and drive me to Armonk, where I&#x27;ll check into a hotel, and then Monday morning I was to go into IBM early and help them get the site working, as the shareholders meeting had started.<p>IBM wasn&#x27;t messing around. They used black car service with driver, flew me First&#x2F;Business class, booked me into a nice hotel, the whole deal.<p>So I arrive at like 6 am the next morning and am met with open arms by someone running their server farm who explains everything they&#x27;ve done so far. He then plops me down in a corner of a giant server room, in front of a machine running AIX, with a Unix version of Notes and a terminal open to the machine running the Apache proxy to their public servers.<p>I had never <i>seen</i>, let alone used, a Unix box in my life up to that point, and knew nothing about Apache. I wasn&#x27;t even sure what a &quot;proxy&quot; server did. I remember just sitting there for a minute, wide-eyed - looking at the three-button mouse like it was an alien artifact, and boggled by the GUI (CDE? Motif?) which was also from Mars. I was the opposite of that girl in Jurassic Park. &quot;It&#x27;s a Unix system! I have no idea what to do!&quot;<p>Thankfully the Notes interface was the same on all platforms, so I had an anchor point to start from. Besides the fact that it took me a minute to figure out how to scroll (middle mouse button), I was in my element there.<p>The problem, it turned out, was a simple configuration setting (thank all that is holy) which I recognized immediately. It took me longer to figure out the mouse button thing. So like the proverbial plumber story, I opened my toolbox, took out a small ball peen hammer, tapped the configuration options, and the site popped up online.<p>Hooray!<p>Smiles all around! Handshakes were given, backs were slapped, jobs were saved. I was out of there by 8 am and on a plane back to Atlanta a couple after that, the conquerering hero.<p>So there&#x27;s my Domino story. 30 years later it&#x27;s still amusing to me.
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Grazester大约 1 个月前
I have nothing to add but this commercial from 1997&#x2F;1998 that played very often when watching CNET on tv(Sci-fi channel)<p>I loved the commercial and get nostalgic watching it now.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;rRAhCCGb7BY?si=UtRbsD6Pnwpb2Kpo" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;rRAhCCGb7BY?si=UtRbsD6Pnwpb2Kpo</a>
relaxing大约 1 个月前
My Domino war story isn’t as interesting as some of these, but:<p>At a company I worked for, an intern mangled a bit of lotusscript into an unintentional virus that forwarded the entire contents of his inbox to every email address in the company, causing a reply storm that took a week to recover from.<p>From then on we called it Locust — a plague.
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CRConrad大约 1 个月前
Edge @ work: &quot;Hmmm… can&#x27;t reach this page www.moohar.com refused to connect.&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20250407003816&#x2F;http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.moohar.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;why_domino" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20250407003816&#x2F;http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.moohar...</a>
robotapertama大约 1 个月前
Anyone remember Lotusphere? I feel so old.
theturtle大约 1 个月前
After 30 years in Domino, it is difficult reading all thr half-knowledge here.
andrea76大约 1 个月前
Is there any evidence of a DOS version?
ConanRus大约 1 个月前
Why would we care about another one closed vendor locked corporate bloatware?
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