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Ask HN: Could tariffs be used as a reverse pump and dump?

16 点作者 pkdpic大约 1 个月前
Just seems like if you knew when the tariffs were going to randomly be lifted you could buy super low and make a ton of money... Or make people who you owe money to a ton of money...<p>Haven&#x27;t come across anyone mentioning this, just wondering what I&#x27;m missing &#x2F; why I&#x27;m wrong... Feels obvious but I don&#x27;t know much about all this nonsense.

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kypro大约 1 个月前
Almost certainly not. If you wanted to do this a better move would have been to target China with 100% tariffs then load up on Chinese stocks before lifting them.<p>You wouldn&#x27;t need to start a trade war with the entire world, including allies, to do what you&#x27;re suggesting. Just targeting a few companies or a single economy would work just as well without destroying your own country&#x27;s economy and your political legacy.
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foobahify大约 1 个月前
Cross my mind when government tweets were moving entire indices. That is a Midas touch.
java-man大约 1 个月前
I think that&#x27;s exactly what it is. It should be illegal. Congress is asleep at the wheel (or whatever the little knob they end up holding).
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muzani大约 1 个月前
I always recommend Ray Dalio&#x27;s video on how economics: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=xguam0TKMw8" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=xguam0TKMw8</a><p>The tariffs and heck, electing a man like Trump, is a response to the existing situation.<p>1. Debt is very high and increasing at an unsustainable rate. Rather than default on debts, empires <i>always</i> print more money.<p>2. Competitiveness has gone down. In times of comfort, work ethic goes down too and a culture emerges where the working class is looked down on.<p>3. Economic disparity results in political polarity between the left and the right. This leads to revolutions. American revolutions tend to be fairly peaceful, but many are violent.<p>4. Technological advances allows for a shift in the order. New contenders have the conditions to make good use of them, which allows them to outpace the global leader.<p>5. Wars increase in a desperate move to hold on to power without having an economic lead. This leads to overextension and further collapse.<p>The tariffs are primarily a response to debt and competitiveness. Trump&#x27;s election and everyone&#x27;s distrust for him stems from political polarity. Many of his recent surprising actions are in preparation for a war.<p>The tariffs are an attempted cure to an existing problem. But like many cures, it buys time until the inevitable happens. It&#x27;s not making the US more competitive. It might not cure the economic disparity.<p>So what you see is three things coming together: 1) admission that the US debt may not be manageable, 2) worrying long term outlook, 3) Trump&#x27;s lack of diplomacy making people assume the worst
Vegenoid大约 1 个月前
I am from the future, and the answer is yes, this happened.
TaurenHunter大约 1 个月前
Since this is just a speculation: China&#x27;s government could throw a wrench in that.<p>Let&#x27;s say they see Taiwan coming out of a negotiation with Trump implementing zero tariffs.<p>I wouldn&#x27;t put it past them to do a naval blockade on Taiwan to &quot;prevent the US from stealing their tax income&quot; or some other excuse.
techpineapple大约 1 个月前
Given all the tumult, it doesn’t seem like this can last. Trump won’t be able to get any other message out there as long as this is going on.<p>I’m not a betting man, nor do I think the markets are sensible, but I imagine a big pullback before Wednesday.
uejfiweun大约 1 个月前
I mean yeah, of course they could. That&#x27;s probably exactly what&#x27;s happening. I&#x27;m not aware of any laws against it unfortunately, previously we relied on Presidents to do what is best for the nation rather than their friends, but we live in unprecedented times.
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