Delusional themes may be more varied than we thought

51 点作者 domofutu大约 1 个月前

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caseyy大约 1 个月前

The "terror of global catastrophe" is what doomscroller media constantly hammers onto its readers. And once someone has "bought in", it's impossible to reason with them. They'll just forever spread anxiety around them.What's interesting is how it happens. Take someone who is mentally stable and subject them to a terminally online lifestyle for a year or two. They will have tons of anxiety about all sorts of things, not the least of which will be that the world is doomed (with no hope), that our societies and way of life are in the "late stage" and moments from collapse, and so on.And it's a bit of a tragedy. If we took only the energy that people spend evangelizing those doom beliefs and put that energy into productive efforts, that alone could probably prevent whatever disaster is being evangelized. But maybe that'd not be good for engagement on social media or something.

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StevenWaterman大约 1 个月前

The paper doesn't seem to actually define their categories anywhere. Am I just missing it? Or am I meant to intuitively know the difference between "spied on / watched" and "spy / surveillance"?Edit - upon re-reading, it seems like they're just using the themes present in the underlying literature, with _extremely_ conservative merging. Which makes the headline claim, that there are 37 distinct themes, pretty pointless. Is "spied on" really a distinct theme from "surveillance"? More likely, there's just no standardised name for it.

alganet大约 1 个月前

If no one told me about this being about schizophrenia, I would interpret Figure 3 as a categorization of american movies and series.

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miros_love大约 1 个月前

Has anyone looked at similar studies from, say, five years ago? I worry that half of what was labeled “delusional” back then is now a widely accepted opinion.Feels like we're one step away from a follow-up paper titled "We regret to inform you: The paranoid were just early."Not saying everything turns out to be true - just that social consensus tends to shift a lot faster than clinical definitions.

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yatopifo大约 1 个月前

What on earth is going on in the comment section? Do diagnosis articles always attract “examples”?

delichon大约 1 个月前

> Delusions — fixed, false beliefs that cannot be changed by evidence — are a key symptom of many psychotic disordersInteresting that "psychotic disorders" can be replaced with "tribalism" and still be true. We can easily identify such false beliefs in other tribes but often have a blind spot for them in our own.But in terms of tribes or politics it is not clear that this is a disorder. Believing the same false things as our neighbors is often rewarded with status, wealth and mating opportunities, while failing to do so can be deadly. What converts the same tendency into psychosis can be merely the context: it's psychotic to believe false things when there is no social advantage to it and it therefore becomes unfit. But the same is true of believing true things when they conflict with a tribe's deeply held false beliefs.Like a propensity to violence, believing false things can be a deadly strategy. Or it can be the only strategy that allows a chance for survival. And you may not know which until it is too late. It would be nice to live in a world where violence and false beliefs are consistently maladaptive, but that isn't this one.

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dreamlayers大约 1 个月前

This is a good article, but I dislike how the start defines delusions as "fixed, false beliefs that cannot be changed by evidence". Many delusions seem wrong to others without any solid evidence that can conclusively prove that they're wrong. For example, if someone says they're the second coming of Jesus, or if someone believes the CIA has mind control satellites, that seems obviously ridiculous, but you cannot disprove that.

yosito大约 1 个月前

> terror of global catastropheThat's considered a delusion?

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crdrost大约 1 个月前

This is the list they compiled, with a little hash if it was in the DSM-V before this study:• Persecutory/paranoid #• Reference #• Family/relatives• Grandiose #• Passivity• Schneiderian• Neighbours/friends/associates• Spied on/watched• Paranormal• Sexual• Poisoning• Religious• Control #• Mindreading• Special powers/skills• Infidelty• Bizarre #• Perception• Thought broadcast #• Somatic #• Police/secret agent/army• Religious leader/God/Prophet/Saint• Thought insertion #• Jealousy #• Guilt/sin• Made affect• Hypochondriacal• Fantastic delusional memories• Thought withdrawal• Erotomanic heterosexual #• Possession• Primary• Catastrophe/world catastrophe• Poverty• Nihilistic/negation• Spy/surveillance• Made impulseThe authors’ primary goal appears to not have been to shed light on the diversity of delusional experience, but to indicate some evidence that it is culturally sensitive, so right after this chart, we get into the discussion section and it discusses how in East Asia you can find slightly more delusions of jealousy, in Eastern Europe you can find slightly more delusions of guilt/sin, in their dataset.Reinterpreting it as this press release does, as a survey of the variety of delusional experience, makes for some interesting food for thought, but a lot of the categories identified kind of are just who are you being paranoid about, and what do you think they are doing. So you might have thought that people are afraid of strangers, this data set points to them being more delusional about family members, or thinking strangers are government spies, it's perhaps surprisingly not a stranger as a stranger that is terrifying? (Compare e.g. with the widespread worry among parents that a stranger might abduct their child.)The passivity delusion (“I’m not in control of my body, someone else takes over”) and Schneiderian delusion (which I think is “someone is narrating my life in a Stanley Parable-esque way”?) seem like solid omissions on the DSM-V's part, but after that I feel like I am scrolling down to hypochondriacal and “Fantastic delusional memories” (which is presumably something like “I actually went to Narnia when I was a kid, it's a real place”?) before I see things that genuinely strike me as, I didn't realize some folks have those delusions in their schizophrenia or whatever.

ferociouskite56大约 1 个月前

From hateful experiences, this is bullshit. In 2019 I was accused in court that "Blacks...Muslims are a delusion." I've dated both as a Muslim convert and won the case.I said my family are jealous. January 2014 mother tried to invite 2 guys on my first African American date. Both parents banned minorities from the house. Most psychiatrists make things worse. Mother claims I'm not part of the computer industry because I am poor. Despite reading about Linux hours a day since at least the year 2000.

brudgers大约 1 个月前

direct link to paper (the numbers are on page 5)<a href="https://watermark.silverchair.com/sbae225.pdf?token=AQECAHi208BE49Ooan9kkhW_Ercy7Dm3ZL_9Cf3qfKAc485ysgAAA4owggOGBgkqhkiG9w0BBwagggN3MIIDcwIBADCCA2wGCSqGSIb3DQEHATAeBglghkgBZQMEAS4wEQQMZ_OSnLUKK68tQLPmAgEQgIIDPeNg791LHv8cAkfdcOtsq3O5M3Phq1pBL-nRGiEfe5SvdRcj4rOvkagtJmJ9K_KSk7rEyjBM9V_YHHhVClkrv3tKuwqq3mfMrE2Yul9QvRNvC23FzuheN4MwEkh2IO1M1Wx7kqJyoMTzkrzYoLp8YA8m9PEWgOfZj8LsoHWgembx405HJKnD1LpYGWdj5GS-9L-bt_SQJOjViElNQ0xEpgpvATblKcGCSA54csPGfd1dEnC6QV3oGp9n7MCa0ueukgVs4iPWglV5w00lOdYLH6CsWdAGAmVBPqCpTDGev2DFBN2H5g6SokuytapD5MwTZAGW4kwPfoECcrmo0_J48Twxbb2lJqfVoV492mcYqW8G7S1FEWi95_sUNokjqLEzLuI7cEspYzm0IGE02I5BL6PvQntE0STPhljckisjQwp6VXPXMrwHVD6Cpnqqgvj_vOahKwWUZ12T8mfrl_XbTdruwv2Zp1_4aSgSV5vccT6Li7eHe80zl2mh0f4ifJrlnqdtidG5Fcd57VUfBZdnbaueGW4Qs8OGpKdAarOwrXPg4ZT4fFFdHYuo0Muhhz2zIzUbDiy6s5Q77Kkj98-AjqWeR4ETOO3OUqouX31G9ly8oKcbmxVkORNlNy8FgCS07R7S3Sv6l5HzUKioG3K-ljeb-SQYpLXNyzSklCHgRm1wRxjG4Q7rbfo1JDZQG8Gsbi5G89bLNRG20LJZcQlEkGQJdHJEYLSGLGu1815IyN5MSXu6AWGYYHM7yixXnNqf-8I1DpE8hDWrKrwJgvAsB38wkfJNRMXs5zi47DdAlaso3d-iFThYqDRAWiETh_06KbJN5qdSU5xY0yu9huSPUfMg4XPpRYLxDyaIndNdIYo4oo50yFcHwkr8vP6s9YLWecCMyYj1e5xZzY9i4xIRh2pnzqGPeAikOWmdOBY9UQ57oeLtQcVodVQTrNweL4D-7widXuLadV7jYsh56Bz93iWA_sPfzJwiwzPBqJ25TWz6kmqn1P6c0o0rsBmQ5EGcOv9Arf8cGK_a5W4p4x8pEfS0tbG4wor58tbdhpElkqGANW_Sss4aVbx_El-9M52z7WBZoCtNyXvZhBHexcc" rel="nofollow">https://watermark.silverchair.com/sbae225.pdf?token=AQECAHi2...</a>

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