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$70M in 60 Seconds: How Insider Info Helped Someone 28x Their Money

809 点作者 pulisse大约 1 个月前

44 条评论

hdevalence大约 1 个月前
&gt; We don’t know who placed the trades. We don’t know what they knew.<p>Actually, “we”, collectively, do know, because the SEC maintains an “XKEYSCORE for equities” called CAT.<p>If there was interest, the government could know exactly who placed these trades. But the call (options) are coming from inside the house.
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ctippett大约 1 个月前
404 Media reported a story on Monday[1] about a news outlet that claimed there&#x27;d be a 90-day break on tariffs for all countries besides China. This was published a few days before the official announcement.<p>So someone, somewhere, knew <i>something</i> before everyone else.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.404media.co&#x2F;benzinga-news-service-that-falsely-reported-a-possible-90-day-break-in-tariffs-blames-x&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.404media.co&#x2F;benzinga-news-service-that-falsely-r...</a>
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Quarrel大约 1 个月前
These sort of trades happy fairly regularly, before market breaking news in individual stock names.<p>Just search for SEC insider trading cases. When they happen in options they are often pretty obvious unless the market is moving with real momentum the same way, and even then, option sellers will report you if they think it is suspicious. (By obvious, I mean, regulators should start asking questions - of course there can be a multitude of reasons.)<p>The difference here is that absolutely NO ONE on any side of politics seems to think the SEC &amp; DOJ will pursue these.
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misja111大约 1 个月前
&gt; And it wasn’t just options. At exactly 1:01 pm EST, trading volume in SPY shares themselves spiked. Nearly 2.75 million shares were bought in that single minute.<p>This is standard practice, it was simply the marketmaker hedging its position after just having sold those $2.5 million call options.<p>The math checks out; at 85 cent per piece, those were 2.94 million call options. At 9 above the spot the delta was less than one so I guess you&#x27;d need to buy slightly above 2 million shares to hedge your delta. The normal SPY trades would have made up for the remainder of the 2.75 million volume.
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sorokod大约 1 个月前
kleptocracy<p>&#x2F;klĕp-tŏk′rə-sē&#x2F; noun<p>A government characterized by rampant greed and corruption.
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mentalgear大约 1 个月前
The follow-up post shows the whole magnitude of the insider trading:<p>&gt; My previous post highlighted a striking example: how a single $2.5 million options position turned into $70 million in under an hour. But focusing solely on that trade risks missing the larger picture. What we actually saw was widespread activity. Numerous sophisticated traders carefully placing positions across several strike prices ($504, $505, $507, $509) in SPY as well as similar trades in QQQ.<p>&gt; The pattern wasn&#x27;t limited to a single trade or strike price. It was a coordinated wave of positions, all established within a critical half-hour window before the news broke.<p>&gt; Imagine someone purchasing thousands of lottery tickets with a specific number combination just moments before those exact numbers are drawn.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;data-and-politics.ghost.io&#x2F;this-is-what-insider-trading-looks-like&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;data-and-politics.ghost.io&#x2F;this-is-what-insider-trad...</a>
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ojbyrne大约 1 个月前
I imagine this is going to happen again (except 100x) when there’s a China “deal.”
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alexey-salmin大约 1 个月前
I expected an article about AWS configuration mistake.
TheAlchemist大约 1 个月前
What&#x27;s missing as information here, is how often this kind of big bets happen. It&#x27;s only showing some anecdotical data on 2 days from 2008 and 2009.<p>I believe he&#x27;s right, but would just like some more proof that it&#x27;s really extraordinarily rare to place such a big bets, especially on 0DTEs (which I believe did not exist in 2008).
jmyeet大约 1 个月前
What&#x27;s surprising about all this is how quickly, easily and cheaply the republic was dismantled and how little opposition there was from people in power.<p>This culminated in Trump v. United States [1] where unelected partisans simply invented presidential immunity completely out of thin air. That means there are absolutely no possible legal repercussions for any of this. None. And even if there were, the agencies in charge of enforcing it have either been gutted or they&#x27;ve been subverted by putting a sycophantic lackey in charge.<p>This is the new kleptocracy we live in. Nobody is coming to save us. The supposed political opposition (ie the Democratic Party) is nothing more than feckless controlled opposition who are more interested in defending US imperialism than they are in winning elections.<p>Things are only going to get worse.<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Trump_v._United_States" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Trump_v._United_States</a>
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boshomi大约 1 个月前
The following article:<p>»This Is What Insider Trading Looks Like«<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;data-and-politics.ghost.io&#x2F;this-is-what-insider-trading-looks-like&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;data-and-politics.ghost.io&#x2F;this-is-what-insider-trad...</a>
torginus大约 1 个月前
These are just the most shameless and&#x2F;or retarded people. Insiders who bought quietly spread over the day before we&#x27;ll never find out about
m2f2大约 1 个月前
As a foreigner I cannot comment on this, else I will be rejected at the airport by the ICE.<p>That&#x27;s called freedom my friends.
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refurb大约 1 个月前
I&#x27;d be more interested to see the other side of this trade and how many options were purchase that <i>didn&#x27;t pay out</i>.<p>People buy options all the time, sometimes without any insider information, people buy options that happen to just perfectly line up with major market moving events.<p>Look at 9&#x2F;11, there were several trades made right before the planes hit that paid out big time. The SEC investigated and found no evidence of insider information.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;govinfo.library.unt.edu&#x2F;911&#x2F;hearings&#x2F;hearing1&#x2F;witness_kleinberg.htm" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;govinfo.library.unt.edu&#x2F;911&#x2F;hearings&#x2F;hearing1&#x2F;witnes...</a>
edweis大约 1 个月前
Who lost money during this deal? Or generally who indirectly paid these lucky gamblers?
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qwertox大约 1 个月前
This information just feeds my depression.
svg7大约 1 个月前
While I have no doubt that insider trading happens quite regularly, I would not jump to that conclusion here. IIRC the previous day, big Wall street names were advocating for a pause in tariffs . So a lot of people placed bets accordingly. Also staking 2.5M is &quot;small change&quot; for true insiders.
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methods21大约 1 个月前
How can any trade be made and not know &#x27;who&#x27; made the trade? Doesn&#x27;t every trading account need to be registered&#x2F;identified in some manner? KYC right? At a minimum the account holder would want to transfer funds to&#x2F;from account....<p>I can&#x27;t even buy sudafed without 3 forms of ID, yet we have &#x27;invisible&#x27; traders of millions of dollars?
NKosmatos大约 1 个月前
Whenever I see similar articles I get reminded that all these are worthless paperless money, exchanging hands and playing a game. Futures, options, securities (and all the rest financial jargon) proves that there is a very big economic game at play in a global scale. No wonder the whole planet owes some trillions (to whom?) :-)<p>There is no need for scientists to prove we’re living inside a simulation, this whole global turn based strategy financial game, affecting our lives, is the proof that someone is having a laugh at&#x2F;with us ;-)
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nramanand大约 1 个月前
A relevant aside: surely insider trading is happening all the time? There are so many daily market-shifting events involving so many privy parties that it seems inevitable to happen every few minutes (not defending the actions in the article).<p>How many physicians have been able to get rich from learning a CEO will be out of commission? In that case, I&#x27;m not even sure whether it would be considered insider trading.<p>How does one even go about accusing someone of insider trading? The illegality sounds pretty unenforceable.
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epaga大约 1 个月前
This unethical stuff is where Trump actually shows true “brilliance”.<p>His Truth Social post that day saying (quote) “THIS IS A GREAT TIME TO BUY!” immediately gave any insider traders a perfect alibi.
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ndsipa_pomu大约 1 个月前
Isn&#x27;t this kind of thing going to destroy &quot;trust&quot; in the markets? Basically, people who don&#x27;t have access to the advance&#x2F;inside information will lose money to those that do - similar to betting in a casino where you know the odds are against you.<p>This could lead to a lot of investment in the U.S. being diverted elsewhere to markets that have some kind of regulation to prevent abuse.
globular-toast大约 1 个月前
What actually is the point of selling someone an option? Do enough people buy them and lose to make it worthwhile for the seller? Isn&#x27;t this literally just legalised gambling? Are there enough addicts to make it lucrative like other gambling? Or are these resold packaged up into something that nobody reads à la synthetic CDOs?
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sunnyba大约 1 个月前
Saw some more granular charts on this for the different options here as well for those interested:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;unusualwhales.substack.com&#x2F;p&#x2F;unusual-options-trading-before-trumps" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;unusualwhales.substack.com&#x2F;p&#x2F;unusual-options-trading...</a>
DeathArrow大约 1 个月前
If I am not mistaken, Trump said earlier that it&#x27;s a great time to buy. Isn&#x27;t there a chance that someone acted on that, seeing it as a hint?
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jaza大约 1 个月前
Surely the number one suspect for having made this trade, is Trump himself (and&#x2F;or his immediately family)? Nobody knew better exactly what would be announced and when, than the guy who did the announcing. Ownership could be hidden behind trust &#x2F; shell structures, possibly indefinitely, or at least until it&#x27;s too late for anyone to do anything about it (although in Trump&#x27;s America, I doubt that anyone could do anything about it anyway). We already know that he&#x27;s unscrupulous and unprincipled. We already know that he&#x27;s an indicted felon.
freen大约 1 个月前
This is my surprised face.<p>Elect a felon, you get felonies.
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uptownfunk大约 1 个月前
I mean in theory couldn’t anyone close to the news source transmit it somehow via an anonymous communication channel to someone else so they can make the trade. Even if there is an investigation they have to find the proof to make a conviction right?
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FilosofumRex大约 1 个月前
As the old saying goes, there&#x27;s an important distinction when it comes to appointments to oversee the Wall Street - DemocRATS appoint corrupt rats, while Republicans appoint imbeciles!<p>Therefore the outcome is always the same.
huijzer大约 1 个月前
Overall the argument by the author is very convincing and well put. One part I don’t fully agree with is<p>&gt; If the trades hadn’t worked out, the losses would have been swift and total. Zero-day options don’t forgive bad timing. The entire $2.5 million could have evaporated by the close of trading. Even with SPY shares, any unexpected reversal would have meant millions in losses.<p>This has exactly been Taleb’s strategy. Buy option where the writeoff is small when wrong and the payoff huge when correct. As described in the post, the ratio was 1 to 25. Also it was likely that the market would go through huge shifts because the policy is so unpredictable.<p>So it is not impossible that someone figured that it would be possible to just buy these calls for the whole month. As long as one was a hit, the trade would not make a loss. And given the volatility, at least one would be a hit in this month. These short option bets are truly not such strange ehm options in these volatile times.<p>So I would like some data about whether similar options were bought on other days in similar volumes.<p>Having said that, I do find the evidence very strong and it’s reasonable to assume that this was insider trading. I personally suspect someone at JPM or Ackman. They said they “convinced” Trump so maybe Trump said in a meeting that it would probably happen and they immediately bought the calls.
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cft大约 1 个月前
&quot;At 1:30 pm, Donald Trump posted on Truth Social that he was pausing most of the tariffs he had imposed earlier that month. &quot;<p>he actually posted at 1:18. not that there is nothing to see here, but it would help the credibility if the article was accurate
Fade_Dance大约 1 个月前
I was reading this event, and unless I&#x27;m missing something, all of these reports and theories don&#x27;t mention the blindingly obvious fact that should be dominating - 1pm was the 10 year bone auction.<p>Due to many factors (mostly around the crash that was in full swing, and a bond market that was illiquid and melting down), this was a key moment around which a huge amount of position management happened.<p>I&#x27;m not at all saying that there shouldn&#x27;t be extensive investigation around insider trading around the Trump announcement. There obviously should be. And I&#x27;m also not saying that a big block of calls wouldn&#x27;t fit the bill for that. It would (although it begs the question about the actor being so brazen. There would be countless ways to hide the bet more effectively while still producing insane profit).<p>What I am saying is that it&#x27;s ridiculous to me that there&#x27;s no discussion about the bond auction! First of all you can&#x27;t just look at a block of option contracts independently many of them are part of wider trade structures. Those call options could have just been hedging short portfolio deltas, or be part of any number of strategies. The timing does signify that you ever executed the trade, ill intentioned or not, was aware of bond auction mechanics.<p>So you&#x27;re starting to run into some Occam&#x27;s razor territory here. Either the participant was sophisticated enough to understand the volume surge around bond auction data releases yet chose to do an incredibly boneheaded bet (instead of some sort of more cloaked relative value trade that would make 10x as well, or just making a bet on something slightly less obvious like credit spreads or ETFs that are trade-war exposed, etc), or the participant was making a clumsy obvious swing for the fences, yet lucked into to the minute perfect timing to cloak the transaction. Meanwhile there is the simplest answer which is just that the position was part of the huge wave of trading around the bond auction results.<p>I&#x27;d welcome the investigation, but it&#x27;s pretty shocking to me that I&#x27;m seeing so much discussion around this without these points being brought up!<p>I manage a portfolio and also put large blocks of options that benefit from market rallies on at exactly the same time. That&#x27;s because Bond volatility was sky high, and once the results came in, one of the likely outcomes is a huge volatility crush. That means that if you have positions that you&#x27;ve been holding from executing off during the crisis due to elevated volatility, and have a view that the market is nearing the end of capitulation (all of the indicators that most fear, like liquidations, fear&#x2F;greed index tanking, positioning being bearish, are huge bullish signals to the trading world), then in order to dodge the binary event risk you may want to re-add exposure at that moment. Readings from prime broker reports show that institutional participants were extremely low in positioning, so the risk that would need to be hedged for many would have been upside risk. If someone wants to hedge their upside risk but doesn&#x27;t want to actively move out of their bearish&#x2F;locked down positions during the crisis, they may well use options.<p>(Devil&#x27;s advocate argument concluded)
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bjt12345大约 1 个月前
Is it possible someone got the Treasury Auction results earlier and made a guess that Trump would pull the Tarrifs and then made this transaction?
w_TF大约 1 个月前
you don&#x27;t even need insider information to make this trade (although he still might have tipped people off personally)<p>he literally told everyone to do it<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;truthsocial.com&#x2F;@realDonaldTrump&#x2F;posts&#x2F;114308272725981913" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;truthsocial.com&#x2F;@realDonaldTrump&#x2F;posts&#x2F;1143082727259...</a><p>and you might have felt especially confident if you recalled him doing the exact same thing in 2018
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testing22321大约 1 个月前
That same day after market close Trump directly told us it was insider trading AND who dun it.<p>He literally bragged that his friend made 2.5 billion and the other 900 million that day.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;PublicFreakout&#x2F;comments&#x2F;1jvyryz&#x2F;trump_after_market_close_yesterday_he_made_25&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;PublicFreakout&#x2F;comments&#x2F;1jvyryz&#x2F;tru...</a>
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thrance大约 1 个月前
We just assisted to the largest pump and dump scam in history, a masterclass in wealth extraction by the top 0.1%. This country is headed to a Russian-type oligarchy, becoming a sandbox for mega-billionaires.
wiseowise大约 1 个月前
Wake me up when orange gets impeached.
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solardev大约 1 个月前
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minikomi大约 1 个月前
Fuck Donald Trump<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;KJ3Lowk_064?si=896OqeAOlC5_0xzh" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;KJ3Lowk_064?si=896OqeAOlC5_0xzh</a>
recursive4大约 1 个月前
No citations.
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miohtama大约 1 个月前
Inside trading on political information is legal in the US.<p>Nancy Pelosi (Democrat) made this famous in last decade, hitting news headlines with it:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;finance.yahoo.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;nancy-pelosi-outperformed-nearly-every-180016264.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;finance.yahoo.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;nancy-pelosi-outperformed-nea...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nypost.com&#x2F;2024&#x2F;09&#x2F;27&#x2F;us-news&#x2F;trump-calls-for-nancy-pelosi-to-be-prosecuted-over-visa-stock-trade&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nypost.com&#x2F;2024&#x2F;09&#x2F;27&#x2F;us-news&#x2F;trump-calls-for-nancy-...</a><p>Inside trading rules concern only leaking corporate-private insider information.
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vasco大约 1 个月前
You can worry about market manipulation, or you can buy GME shares, lock them in the Direct Registration System and wait. I just like the stock.
anovikov大约 1 个月前
I think we should get over the fact that any pretense of obeying the law and morality have now evaporated and everyone trying to stay in those bounds will inevitably lose because not doing so gives such an enormous advantage. People will not just do inside trades, but will actually cause geopolitical scale events simply to do a good trade.
aetherspawn大约 1 个月前
The stock market needs to just be deleted. It’s the insider trading scam machine of the rich class.<p>The whole goal of the stock market is to come up with information that people don’t generally have (insider trading) either from research, or secret info, so you can dupe everyone else’s money.
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