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Jellyfin as a Spotify alternative

458 点作者 coppolaemilio29 天前

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dankwizard28 天前
This article fails to mention the absolute butchering of features that takes place moving from a typical music streaming subscription to a self hosted Jellyfin library.<p>A large part of my listening on YouTube Music is going to a particular song or band I like and clicking &quot;Radio&quot;, which generates a playlist of similar sounding songs. You can then fine tune it with a filter i.e &quot;Popular songs, deep cuts&quot; or specific elements of the song &quot;More emo&quot;, &quot;Slow paced&quot; etc. This exposes me to a lot of new music and keeps it fresh and if I&#x27;m lucky I&#x27;ll discover a new artist or song to add to my rotations.<p>You lose that.<p>A lot of these services overtime build mixes which takes your listening habits and tries to categorize them into specific mixes made up of your existing library &amp; new music.<p>I don&#x27;t browse any music forums and so apart from my favourite bands, I have no idea on when artists I like release new albums and would not encounter them on a self hosted solution, etc.
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sandreas28 天前
I personally use Jellyfin ONLY for Video stuff.<p>AudioBookShelf[1] is for audiobooks and podcasts.<p>For music I use<p><pre><code> navidrome [2] </code></pre> The smart playlist feature[5] is awesome. Having 3 services instead of one seems overkill, but specialized apps instead of one generic one feels different. One interesting aspect of navidrome is, that it has implemented the Subsonic API, which MANY Apps make use of. My personal favorite is<p><pre><code> Substreamer [3] </code></pre> but you could also go with DSub[4] or others.<p>1: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.audiobookshelf.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.audiobookshelf.org&#x2F;</a><p>2: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.navidrome.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.navidrome.org&#x2F;</a><p>3: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;substreamerapp.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;substreamerapp.com&#x2F;</a><p>4: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;f-droid.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;packages&#x2F;github.daneren2005.dsub&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;f-droid.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;packages&#x2F;github.daneren2005.dsub&#x2F;</a><p>5: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.navidrome.org&#x2F;docs&#x2F;usage&#x2F;smartplaylists&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.navidrome.org&#x2F;docs&#x2F;usage&#x2F;smartplaylists&#x2F;</a>
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tastysandwich28 天前
For music, Navidrome is superior.<p>It is just crazy how easy it is to set this stuff up nowadays. I run both Navidrome and Jellyfin in docker containers. Then I use NordVPN Meshnet to securely connect to them outside of the home.<p>The experience is absolutely flawless. In Navidrome you can host an entire FLAC library and then transcode to Opus on the fly.<p>It&#x27;s been over a year now and I have pretty much no issues whatsoever.<p>I highly highly recommend it<p>Edit - Opus not Opal!
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chillfox29 天前
Self-hosting stuff is awesome if you have the skills.<p>I have been on a mission for the last 2 years to replace as many subscriptions as possible with self-hosted solutions. The subscriptions really had gotten out of hand, it had gotten to about $200 (AUD) a month.<p>Quick napkin math is that I have cancelled about ~$150 a month worth of subscriptions so far. The $500 office desktop I got for a home server is struggling at this point, but it&#x27;s already paid for itself, so I will likely upgrade it to something much better later this year.<p>Currently I am in the process of replacing all the movie streaming services with Emby.<p>Spotify and Adobe lightroom is still on the todo list.<p>I will likely end up with Youtube, Fastmail and Borgbase being my remaining subscriptions once I am done.
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crossroadsguy29 天前
My problem stays the same — finding all my music that is on Spotify from elsewhere. It costs a lot to buy those music files and that too if they are available (which isn’t always the case) and even after I buy I am not sure what were the T&amp;C from that particular place I bought - whether I really own it, I don’t, a bit but not fully - etc. Finding from Linux ISO sites is a nightmare and an extra bad nightmare if we are talking about some 2K - 0.6K songs (because I have 600 from before I started streaming). I wish there was an easy way for this - plug and play kinda.
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dhosek29 天前
My strategy for syncing my music library with my phone is that I have four smart playlists:<p>- songs rated 5 stars which I haven’t listened to for at least 8 months¹<p>- songs rated 4 stars which I haven’t listened to for at least 16 months<p>- songs rated 3 stars which I haven’t listened to for at least 32 months<p>- the 20GB of least-played music<p>(there are some other strictures as well, like eliminating Christmas music and some music files I have in my library more for archival purposes than anything else, but this is a decent approximation).<p>This gives me a reasonably fresh selection of music and at least at the moment, with my daily sync habit, when I listen to a song it goes out of rotation for a while which could be anywhere from a week to years.<p>⸻<p>1. This was originally 6&#x2F;12&#x2F;24 months, but I ended up boosting that time frame as storage grew tight on my phone.
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kretaceous29 天前
I self-host a couple of things including an Emby server to watch movies. Self-hosting a music library seems interesting. But I discover and listen to music far more than I watch movies.<p>This article tells me how good Jellyfin is, but the music collection process is not here. Do you download them manually? Do you buy records?<p>I grew up downloading music into my PC and then transferring them to my SD card which I used in my phone. Once I had a Spotify, it was just... easier. I can discover music faster with the &quot;song radio&quot; feature in Spotify. I can find and listen to an album as soon as I come across it.<p>I&#x27;d absolutely love to have a better media player and &quot;frontend&quot; than Spotify but I haven&#x27;t solved the collection part of it. What can be done there?
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someonehere28 天前
If you haven’t been keeping up with Plex, self-hosters like myself and others are up in arms over the client rewrite. It feels like the Sonos update for us. Broken features. Useful functionality removed. UI that’s more streaming focused than self-hosting like it used to be.<p>If you haven’t gone down the Plex path yet, don’t right now as the community and developers sort out their roadmap. Plex seems to be open to feedback, but a lot of us feel betrayed. They had open user testing for the new apps but they didn’t implement or fix any of the reported issues.
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HexPhantom28 天前
I went through a similar phase where I thought, how hard can it be to just manage my own music like it&#x27;s 2008 again? Turns out, kind of annoyingly hard. The part about music players being stuck in time really hit. Winamp nostalgia aside, most local players feel like they haven&#x27;t evolved in a decade
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ishanjain2829 天前
I wish more artists would sell their music on Bandcamp. I use jellyfin for music but acquiring music is difficult.
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RajT8829 天前
Love JellyFin!<p>I do not mind the jankiness, since I can work around a lot of it with the API.<p>I do not even mind too much the Love Exposure bug:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;jellyfin&#x2F;jellyfin&#x2F;issues&#x2F;10494">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;jellyfin&#x2F;jellyfin&#x2F;issues&#x2F;10494</a>
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gigel8229 天前
I have Navidrome with the &quot;play:Sub&quot; app on iOS (because it works with carplay) for a few obscure albums and it works ok, but I still pay for Spotify because it&#x27;s convenient and it has most of the music I want.<p>When we start getting the same splintering that we have with video (too many subscriptions to count), I&#x27;ll dust off my old eyepatch and start sailing the seven seas... :(
vvpan29 天前
I finally decided to self-host last week and boy I did not know how much that domain has progressed. I have setup a domain, a VPS with Cloudron and cloud backup in less than two hours. I was absolutely blown away. I no longer use notion and store all my files and photos on the VPS, it has been wonderful. The bonus is how good I feel about my for not relying on the big players.
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magic_hamster28 天前
For me it was never an alternative because I don&#x27;t use Spotify at all.<p>For streaming I use Soma FM almost exclusively, everything else I curate myself.<p>I never had a problem discovering more music through good old forums and more recently, LLMs. Trying out their recommendations is a fun exercise on its own as some songs they recommend will be totally obscure, but mostly they are on point.
turtledragonfly28 天前
Just tossing in my own recommendation: I use Lyrion Music Server (previously Logitech Media Server (previously Slim Devices&#x2F;Squeezebox))[1]<p>It&#x27;s open-source, self-hosted, has various good plugins (eg: I have some Pandora stations I listen to, as well as my own music collection). You can synchronize music across multiple devices in your home (I just have 2).<p>Even though the physical devices (Squeezebox Touch, etc) are no longer sold, it&#x27;s pretty easy to build one yourself with a raspberry pi.<p>It&#x27;s one of those cases where a company created something great, and strongly-open-sourced it enough that the project can&#x27;t die even though the new owners are not giving it the love it deserves.<p>So, I hope to keep using it for the rest of my days (:<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lyrion.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lyrion.org&#x2F;</a>
etra028 天前
I recently bought a mini pc too and gave the self-host shenanigans a roll. It was <i>definitely</i> worth it.<p>Using traefik + tailscale + dns challenge with CloudFlare, I was able to self-host and make my services available only through the vpn without loosing HTTPS on all the subdomains. It&#x27;s lovely!
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sotix28 天前
I’ve tried using jellyfin for music, but I’m so much happier than jellyfin or Spotify when I’m using my old iPod. There’s something special about curating a collection. New music is deliberate and exciting. And I already had a decently sized library! I just picked up a pair of AirPods Max now that they released a USB-C - 3.5mm cable, and it’s wonderful. The beauty of the headphone jack is that the newer tech of the headphones just works. I suppose using an iPod for music aligns with why I enjoy using a kobo for reading ebooks. It’s nice to have a focused device disconnected from the internet. Best of all, the iTunes Store is DRM-free, so it remains easy to acquire music.
_spduchamp28 天前
I bought a 4TB external hard drive from a thrift shop and found it is loaded with a huge unorganized treasure trove of MP3s that stops maybe around 2008. The tags and file names are a bit of a mess (looks like bad character encoding for anything with accents), and there is no genres or categorization. I&#x27;d love to use a subset of this archive on Jellyfin or Navidrome.<p>Any suggestions for a tool that can clean up file names and tags, and apply some sort of genre categories? I&#x27;ve tried Picard, but the process seems too manual for such a large archive.
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ruuda28 天前
I wrote my own networked music player, <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;ruuda&#x2F;musium">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;ruuda&#x2F;musium</a>. It&#x27;s not nearly as fully featured as Jellyfin, but it does do what I want in exactly the way I want it. A feature I implemented a while ago is to make it show me albums I listened to a lot in the past, but not recently, and it&#x27;s been great to rediscover some of those albums.
HumblyTossed29 天前
I self host Navidrome. Works pretty well.
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toomuchtodo29 天前
Just wish Jellyfin would support S3 compatible targets for media storage :&#x2F; point at bucket(s), scan&#x2F;index&#x2F;enrich, serve to clients
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billfor28 天前
I’ve been doing this since 2005 with just my NAS and mediamonkey or foobar2000. Additionally, Sonos can index the NAS directly over SMB, although they have not really put much effort into fixing bugs in their implementation it still works well enough. Any upnp&#x2F;dlna streamer that runs on your NAS (plex, twonky, etc…) should be able to handle other situations.
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detaro29 天前
Anyone have opinions on Jellyfin vs music-specific servers like Navidrome?
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indigodaddy28 天前
This is a pretty easy way to spin up Jellyfin, et al if anyone doesn&#x27;t really know where to start. It&#x27;s more meant for a remote server&#x2F;vps: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;EdyTheCow&#x2F;docker-media-center">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;EdyTheCow&#x2F;docker-media-center</a>
diabllicseagull28 天前
I have been using PlexServer and PlexAmp apps lately and I&#x27;m quite happy. Nothing like listening to your CD collection on the go with the streaming quality you get to decide. The best bit for me is that the server side can run on a low powered SBC, and a large sdcard.
NoPicklez23 天前
Apart from the HomeLab tinkering aspect, I don&#x27;t know why you would do this over Spotify or Apple music.<p>I use Spotify the same way I managed my music on Windows media player, creating my own playlists of various genre&#x27;s and years. What Spotify allows me to do is find the music I want straight away rather than finding a way to procure it.<p>I can do all of that and not have to self host anything.
LauraMedia23 天前
I have a local Navidrome server, which I don&#x27;t really use as a &quot;Spotify alternative&quot; (I don&#x27;t mirror my casual listened songs) but as a big database of videogame and series&#x2F;movie soundtracks.<p>It helped me when I tested out Apple Music for a few months and I noticed it&#x27;s absolutely not working as well for me.
panopticon29 天前
I embarked on a similar journey last year after YouTube Music took down some albums I listened to religiously.<p>I settled on Plex + Plexamp instead. I&#x27;m mostly satisfied, but there are some rough edges like Chromecast and web playback.
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gnabgib29 天前
Article title: <i>I left Spotify. What happened next?</i><p>For Jeff: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;waAv5" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;waAv5</a> (who also stars in the article)
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udev409628 天前
Anyone concerned about recommendations might wanna look at musicbrainz. You can write a script for fetching the recommendations based on your current library every week
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geerlingguy29 天前
Can&#x27;t get the page to load but agree with the sentiment ;)
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harry828 天前
Self hosting Data point.<p>Owntone has my library to play in my house through shairpoint-sync driven amps &amp; speakers in different rooms. (Synced perfectly and seamlessly - your ears can really tell too).<p>That same Owntone installation over wireguard using http stream in my phone&#x2F;laptop browser when I&#x27;m not home.<p>Owntone &amp; airplay2 is absolutely first rate.<p>Owntone http streaming is plenty good enough for me.<p>(Owntone also works great with your spotify subscription if you do that).
prmoustache28 天前
Author mention the struggle of making playlist, I just use the filesystem feature and put them in individual folders. Every single audio player can put all songs in a folder in the play queue. Hardlibks can be used to save space for songs I have on individual albums. I still like listening to complete albums.<p>The music from my computer is synchronized to my smartphone with syncthing.<p>No server needed.
petepete28 天前
I tried Jellyfin for music but couldn&#x27;t make it work with Sonos so just ended up using Sonos&#x27; local music library via SMB, with Symfonium on my phone.<p>It works well but it&#x27;s something I&#x27;ll revisit at some point as I do like the idea of one central library with shared playlists etc.<p>In fact, I haven&#x27;t been able to even make a playlist on Sonos, it&#x27;s baffling.
LeoPanthera29 天前
I really want to use Jellyfin for music, but unfortunately it separates albums based on directories and not by reading the metadata, so if you have an album separated into &quot;Disc 1&quot;, &quot;Disc 2&quot;, etc, each disc shows up as a separate album.<p>I really don&#x27;t want to restructure my library just for Jellyfin, so I basically can&#x27;t use it.
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rappatic28 天前
At least in the case of a music player, self-hosting simply isn&#x27;t good enough for me. I&#x27;m not willing to accept a single second of added latency or buffering or downtime because I don&#x27;t have multimillion dollar server farms. The fact is that the vast majority of us don&#x27;t have the resources to self-host a Jellyfin instance that can provide near-instantaneous access anywhere in the world to every song ever made at 320kbps. And that&#x27;s the bar for music. I can deal with a little added latency vs. Netflix on a Plex server or something. But I&#x27;m not willing to compromise with music.<p>This isn&#x27;t even to mention the numerous features that Spotify has which are difficult or impossible to replicate on self-hosting. The &quot;radio&quot; feature, song recommendations, the DJ, AI playlists, stations, automatic playlist enhancement, social features, Canvas... the list goes on. And of course I never have to worry about managing a library of mp3 files. When an artist I like drops a new album, it&#x27;ll be on Spotify at 12:00am exactly and work perfectly. This isn&#x27;t possible with self-hosting.<p>When you look at it this way, the chance to pay 6 bucks a month to get all these extra features and ignore the headache of self-hosting is a no-brainer.
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mr_coleman28 天前
When it comes to self hosting, Jellyfin is really not a Spotify replacement. There are better, more purpose driven application. A good example is Navidrome. It is a less featureful Spotify clone but it has more functionality than Jellyfin.<p>I respect the author&#x27;s self hosted journey and encourage everyone to go down that path.
knowknow29 天前
What’s wrong with Spotify?
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jonathantf228 天前
The problem with this is is the same problem I had when I tried to switch to Apple Music, the network effect. I can&#x27;t see my friend&#x27;s playlists, work on collaborative ones, have automatic &quot;blends&quot; with friends etc if I have all my music on a JF server.
psyfer27 天前
There&#x27;s a lesser known player app called Voicelane where you could drop youtube URLs into a playlist where you are allowed to play on loop. I would browse music and songs on YT and listen to them on one of my Voicelane playlists. It&#x27;s pretty neat
lanfeust628 天前
I don&#x27;t tend to re-watch or pirate video, so Jellyfin&#x2F;plex is out. I thought to have a navidrome setup just for music, but it&#x27;s redundant since I just listen from my machine, and for other places (except the car) I won&#x27;t subject others to my music.
PaulHoule29 天前
I struggled with Jellyfin for years, never got it to work right, particularly the XBOX clients. Switched to Plex for the win. I like the recommender that comes with Plex Pass and listen to music off my home server on my phone in the car and when walking in the woods.
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Sheeny9628 天前
If there were a recommendation algorithm plugin for Jellyfin (even if it just calls out to the API of some existing external web service), that might pull me over. Until that&#x27;s the case, the recommendations will keep me on Spotify
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mystified501628 天前
Jellyfin is pretty good these days. I have it hooked up to radarr, etc, and my non-tech husband can pirate and watch anything he wants easier and better than Netflix et al.<p>Honestly that&#x27;s about 90% of what my homelab does.
austin-cheney29 天前
I wanted a WinAmp style playlist that would work on the iPhone but couldn’t find anything I like from the App Store so I wrote my own in JavaScript that executes with a media player in the browser with advanced filtering.
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latentcall28 天前
I’ve been using Roon for a few years. Proprietary but it works amazing for me. The big feature is the auto-tag feature so I don’t have to be anal about music tagging.
matthewfcarlson29 天前
I have my music loaded into plex and use plexamp but because it’s a nas, I also map it into an owntunes docker container so I get local playback via the HomePods in the house.
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Touche29 天前
I use Jellyfin in this way. You can also use it with music apps like Symfonium for Android, and you can play on a Sonos via DLNA.
crtasm28 天前
Jellyfin + Feishin (desktop) and Finamp (phone) is pretty great for music!
karpatic28 天前
Anyone know the legality of using a self hosted mp3 file server?<p>I have a few hobby sites that handle music and always wondered For those curious: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;carlos-a-diez.com&#x2F;music&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;carlos-a-diez.com&#x2F;music&#x2F;</a>
wmichelin28 天前
Loved the callback to MCRs woefully underrated first album
albybisy29 天前
i use Google&#x2F;Youtube Music to store all my mp3 library.... until Google change idea..
gessha28 天前
What would be the requirements for a jellyfin server?
twilo28 天前
Plexamp
xanadu13229 天前
yes yes yes
Defletter28 天前
Stopped using Jellyfin after it played ear-splitting screeches directly into my eardrums. It was a song from an exported iTunes library, I knew iTunes would skip over the song and didn&#x27;t know why, nor was I particularly bothered. I have to assume now that the file was corrupted, and Jellyfin uncritically played it anyway. I knew I had a few other songs like that in the library and stopped using it for fear for my ears, my headphones, and my speakers.