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App.net funded with $500,000.

364 点作者 aculver将近 13 年前

43 条评论

dkrich将近 13 年前
I'm not really sure what the purpose of this service is. Could somebody please explain? I'm not trying to be a dick. I myself wouldn't pay to use Facebook minus the ads. I barely use it as it is. I only pay for things that provide me with some utility. The description of "a paid, real-time social feed" is vague and ambiguous.
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eoghan将近 13 年前
The reason I think App.net is going to grow is NOT because it doesn't have ads or that the "users are not the product", etc. It's because the community it hosts will be so tightly grouped around a similar, passionate interest: tech startups. Requiring payment, being called "App.net" (they'll be tempted to change this), and being distributed via word of mouth amongst the segregated tech startup community, will prevent so many different types of people from using it. This is all a great thing and I bet there will be opportunities for other "Twitter for ________" ventures. Charging for a service like this that caters to a much smaller market makes it sustainable.<p>Congrats to Dalton and all involved. This is one of the most interesting and courageous internet projects in recent time.
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jtokoph将近 13 年前
Not that I'm accusing Dalton of doing this, but when croudfunding without using a platform like kickstarter, it might be too easy to fake backer numbers in order to meet the goal or inflate popularity.<p>What this means for the future: Companies will announce croudfunding and then fake amazing numbers in order to appear popular and gain lots of press.<p>I can see the headline now: "ACME Software raises $3 million in first 24 hours!" Actual funds raised: $250.
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dj2stein9将近 13 年前
A centralized social network is what's wrong. Despite their best intentions they're still going to have all their users and developers by the balls. This absolutely will not replace Facebook or Twitter, it'll be just another one of the dozens of copycats like Path.<p>What really needs to happen is an open decentralized protocol needs to be agreed upon for newsfeeds + blog posts (wordpress) + microblog (twitter). Then everyone can write their own servers and clients and operate in a manner like Email currently works.
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citricsquid将近 13 年前
I'm genuinely surprised, I didn't believe it would make it this far. I've backed it and I really hope it delivers, it's going to be very interesting to see how this turns out. I feel sceptical (because the value in Twitter is the people, not the platform) but I was also sceptical that this would ever reach $100,000, let alone $500,000, so clearly any assumptions previously made are wrong.
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aculver将近 13 年前
I love this. In years past, Dalton and his team were able to raise millions in funding from a top-tier venture capital firm. But raising $500,000 in <i>revenue</i> from his target customers, that's a whole different ball game! Super excited to see where this goes. Congratulations to Dalton and the whole team!
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dave_sullivan将近 13 年前
That's pretty amazing. Clearly app.net is tapping into something that people are starting to feel pretty strongly about--the benefits of "free" aren't necessarily worth the consequences in the longterm.<p>I could see a similar model of aligning user/company interests rather than advertiser/company interests working for other services--email probably being the biggest that comes to mind.<p>This is actually a good thing for revenue as even a small membership fee is going to VASTLY outweigh the per user revenue generated from advertising. We'll see if this idea is capable of jumping from internet nerdom to the mainstream, but mainstream users are also becoming more and more aware of the actual cost of 'free' products.<p>So... congrats app.net team, and good luck!
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sylvinus将近 13 年前
I think the stats will clearly show that it wouldn't have been funded without the Gruber post.<p>What puzzles me is that the HN crowd seems to be the target audience for whatever it is App.net wants to do but Dalton &#38; friends totally failed to get them interested enough even after so much posts here.<p>With Gruber they reached a different crowd and got the money, which <i>may</i> prove that they have something interesting on their hands but now they'll have do deal with different expectations from their users, and I'm highly skeptical it will make their strategy clearer.
maxbogue将近 13 年前
While I'm in favor of the concept behind this, I have one deeply concerning question that I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone else ask here:<p>Why is it called App.net?<p>The first 4 or 5 articles I saw about it, I ignored completely because I assumed it was some sort of app (web/mobile/whatever) framework, not a social network. They talk about the users being the customers (versus advertisers), but the name of the service is clearly targeting developers, not the users...
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shell0x将近 13 年前
I don't want to ask dumb questions and I also read the content on their site, but I'm still not sure if it's just a twitter alternative or more. And what about identica? Isn't it a similar service like app.net?
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acoyfellow将近 13 年前
Is this going to inspire more companies / startups to go the crowdfunding route? (I think so). How many companies are going to now cite: "App.net style" of pre-launch efforts? Is this a good or a bad thing?<p>This is a whole new era, either way. Congrats to the App.net team!
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comex将近 13 年前
<i>@jayneely: Free-for-students is a bad way to go. Most students can't contribute much value, and it leaves out all the young people that either can't afford or chose not to go to college.</i><p><i>@christopher: I think there's value in some kind of tiered pricing model, especially when it comes to enabling students - in a managed, not free for all, manner - to contribute positively to the ecosystem. Perhaps that's the educator in me.</i><p><i>@elliottpayne: I think there's a broader issue of elitism &#38; the digital divide baked into @adn, but that's a bit out of scope of this topic. But it's a weird suggestion that students can't add value</i><p>This is a thread from the site, but I'm quoting it here because it's relevant to the discussion about what kind of community app.net will become. The first two comments make me uneasy: even if there is value in excluding/discouraging people who don't contribute positively-- which is true for a site like Hacker News, but not so much, I think, for a Twitter-like site where you only see the activity of people you follow; the Global stream is an exception, but it'll only take a little more growth before it becomes unusable anyway-- trying to judge from a blank slate whether someone who might sign up for the site is likely to contribute value, especially based on such vague metrics as "ability to pay $50" and "student", runs the risk of being elitism for the sake of elitism. For some, $50 is enough of a barrier that they'll only sign up if they're especially interested (a sign that they'll contribute value); for others, it's little more than an impulse purchase. As for students, I agree that the site should avoid favoring students over people who don't go to college, but as a rather biased student (and backer), I contest the sentiment that students can't contribute value or need to be "managed" more than your average slightly older entrepreneur. ;p Even though age probably weakly correlates with quality, the goal of the site should not be to slightly increase average quality, but, if anything, to ensure that the highest quality users, the right edge of the bell curve, are there, which exclusionary principles will discourage.<p>Of course, the $50 is not actually some kind of proof of relevance but actual funding for the operation of the site; it can't be avoided. But I think it should mostly be considered a necessary evil, and there should be a focus on letting people who are unwilling to pay it but are strongly interested in the community get in anyway, such as with a sponsorship system.
terhechte将近 13 年前
I've been using the alpha for the past days and it's really refreshing. Interesting discussions, and the API that is shaping up, looks really good. Congratulations and thanks Dalton.
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possibilistic将近 13 年前
I know that this service may become valuable for a large number of the HN crowd. It might be up my alley for a price of $10/yr or so. But at $50/yr, I cannot justify its expense.<p>That said, I wish Caldwell the best of luck. In the future hopefully he can provide tiered pricing plans.
shortformblog将近 13 年前
Credit Stephen Fry for probably at least $10k of that — he told his 4 million followers about the service, which pushed it over the edge: <a href="https://twitter.com/stephenfry/status/234695539357257728" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/stephenfry/status/234695539357257728</a><p>Seriously though, this is great. I'm looking forward to seeing what happens next. Hoping to experiment on the journalism front there.
talleyrand将近 13 年前
Greetings from way out here in Userland! Out here, there is no way that people are going to pay to be "social" online. Just FYI.
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dylanz将近 13 年前
I feel like being "that guy", and saying that this is going to fail. It's not going to gain traction, and will not be profitable or popular in the future.<p>The reason I want to be "that guy", is that me, Murphy, and his law... have a little thing going. I develop, but definitely don't use social applications (I find them distracting and mundane). I think the concept of a completely open and distributed system like dj2stein9 mentioned is what really needs to be implemented in order to leap frog this idea, and others out there, that might be trying to come up with alternatives to the current players. However, I can definitely see this gaining traction. I love the concept of an Ad free network as well as a nice API.<p>Dalton and friends. I hope you're extremely successful with this endeavour, and, that you can all comment on this comment in the future with a big "I told you so".
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jamiecurle将近 13 年前
To have funded something in which users are going to be first class citizens feels remarkably refreshing.
bitsoda将近 13 年前
Am I alone in thinking the ramp up in funding was a bit sketchy over the past three days? Did Dalton or a VC self-fund this to appear like it was gaining traction? I'm sure Gruber's post had an effect, but something seems off. I don't think the reason for hosting their own "Kickstarter-like campaign" was to save themselves the 5% cut. By controlling the funding, they are only accountable to themselves and control all visibility.<p>Note: There's nothing wrong with using your own money to fund your product, but some more transparency would be nice.
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drharris将近 13 年前
Does anyone else see this and think, "It's like Twitter, except for people who want to complain about Twitter all the time"? That's the vibe I get. There's no way those high school friends I reconnected with are paying for this. There's no way my uncles or cousins are signing up for this. There's no way more than ~5% of my real-life social network will. It seems like yet another Silicon Valley niche product. Maybe I'm wrong, I just don't see it for the 95% of the world that doesn't care about T/FB monetization.
Jaigus将近 13 年前
The idea of twitter/facebook not appealing to their users enough may be a bit exaggerated. Yes, facebook/twitter must please their advertisers, however they only have those advertisers paying them because they have many users/subscribers. To keep advertisers coming to them, surely they must keep users happy so they can stay and even hope to attract more?<p>Now I'm sure having to cater to the advertisers certainly affects the decision making(even a bit adversely at times), however their massive following is essentially what makes them valuable.<p>I also notice that whenever this idea is challenged, I only see people simply parroting his belabored battle-cry of "catering to the users" without actually giving any concrete examples. I'm not against app.net's idea, I just believe the true novelty of this project is creating a micro-twitter(which can also be created on twitter by simply following certain people) for affluent tech people, and _keeping_ it that way via the subscription fee.<p>Besides that, I haven't read or heard of anything that they plan to do fundamentally different than twitter. Honestly, even if they do, and it actually proves to be a great feature that users love, I don't see why twitter can't simply copy it and perhaps even make it better.
jschlesser将近 13 年前
Its not about destroying or replacing twitter or fb. Thats unlikely and not the goal. Its about new uses. T and FB have defined their contexts and rules. The infrastructure may look very similar but the universe of contexts and possibilities for non T and FB contexts is the point. The space of uses outside of T and FB is vast when publicity and ad focused mining isnt the core driver of business. FB and T have decided to compete for belly fat ads, thats the real shame. However they are both still revolutionary in terms of societal impact, they are just going to coerce their usage to fit their business model. Egyptian protesters and new moms posting baby photos could care less about belly fat ads. I truly sincerely hope both services find a more relevant way so that all models flourish.
electic将近 13 年前
I love the idea. I am totally rooting for them but I hate the name. I don't see someone in marketing, either girl or guy, who loves tech but does't know the internals of tech, singing up to this service. It's too narrow in it's focus.
jschlesser将近 13 年前
Any reader of my comments should know im a supporter but not employed or beholden to app.net in any way and my opinions are solely based on my interpretation of publicly available info and informal interactions with people inside the app.net community. The actual apis and rules arent final but dalton has made many public commitments and has a history of doing what he says he will do. The work behind app.net didnt spring up overnight. I assume some vc money is in there somewhere so i wouldnt necessarily go vc bashing either. It looks a lot more like a pivot and if there are vcs involved, good on ya for backing it.
cmod将近 13 年前
1. Awesome to see this funded.<p>2. Curious to see all the post-funding pile-on. Looks like their subscribers are jumping quite quickly (for a Sunday!) now that funding has been met. Funding validation makes it feel like a safer 'bet' now?<p>3. <i>Really</i> curious to see if app.net can scale better than Twitter from the start. I'm talking full archives, proper search, robust conversation tracking. If app.net covers these areas sufficiently well, I could see this becoming a go-to feed for journalists / other people for whom proper archives and full-search would be invaluable.
sdqali将近 13 年前
An update from Dalton that deals with new features and third party verification of the funding - <a href="http://daltoncaldwell.com/we-did-it" rel="nofollow">http://daltoncaldwell.com/we-did-it</a>
smbwrs将近 13 年前
I was a huge doubter on day one - the initial video and manifesto seemed confusing and too abstract to fly - but seeing Dalton handle intensive negativity (even some from me, I'm a bit ashamed to admit) with such aplomb won me over. Seeing his frequent updates with progress, even before the $500k mark, was a great confidence booster.<p>Every cent well deserved. I was a supporter, and I look forward to helping build app.net in to something amazing.
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briandear将近 13 年前
I sue Tweetbot on my iPhone and can't remember ever seeing an ad. This idea that twitter is getting cluttered by advertising is just a myth.
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arunoda将近 13 年前
This is awesome.<p>But the real question is how they got funded more than 50% in just 4 days? It's amazing. I hope this is not a manual increase of the counter.
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nikunjk将近 13 年前
This is legit. Dalton's model of funding might spur interest in startups to get money from actual users, rather than venture capital
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hxf148将近 13 年前
I've upgraded my account and am going to take a spin at a html5 app. It's an interesting group of people and even if it does not get massive scale it's fun.<p>Also keep in mind that I don't think app.net wants to be Twitter, it wants to be the back end public messaging system for any and all kinds of apps that have a need for a messaging or notification network.
deepGem将近 13 年前
There's something really inspiring about the way Dalton Caldwell speaks in the video. His demeanor shows an air of confidence, but it also shows how pissed off he is with the existing ad supported free model. Here's wishing the very best for app.net's success.
whunut将近 13 年前
To be honest, I was skeptical App.net would meet its $500,000 goal on time. Not because I thought it was a bad idea, but because raising that much money from customers just seemed an almost impossible feat.<p>So congrats, Dalton, can't wait to see what happens next!
katcaverly将近 13 年前
Congratulations to Team App.net and a special shoutout to the Alpha App.netizens who brought da noise, and the passion to the last 10 days.<p>Now it is up to the developers to show us!!
losvedir将近 13 年前
Cool! I backed it mostly to snag my first name (@gabe) in case it actually does take off, but it's a neat idea, too. Congrats to Dalton and the gang.
dev1n将近 13 年前
"If it weren't for the last minute, nothing would get done."<p>A quote hanging above my Grandma's oven :-P<p>Congrats Dalton
axusgrad将近 13 年前
I think most people signing up now are doing it for the land-rush of usernames.
TorBoT将近 13 年前
What do they mean "claim" twitter name? do they mean claim your app.net name?
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guscost将近 13 年前
Congrats, dude. Now to scrape together a seriously unexpected $100.
jasonhanley将近 13 年前
Heh, so there's going to be just under 10,000 people on app.net.
gaving将近 13 年前
...bootstrap? :/
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obilgic将近 13 年前
But Will it scale?
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arunoda将近 13 年前
App.net will reach $1,000,000 mark when they will be funded (AUGUST 13 at 11:59PM PDT.)